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[sennafan24]

Regardless of whether the teams signed up for it, or who benefits from it

 

Double points still hurts the credibility of the sport and the WDC/WCC.

[LORDBYRON]

Word in the paddock is that it will be canned for next year

[Spillage]

 

Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener  2h

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The #F1 commission has decided: standing safety-car-restarts & double points will be scrapped 2015. AMuS exclusive: http://ams.to/WK 

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[Incast]

The nightmare is over, at least for now.

 

Formula 1 got incredibly lucky in that double points had such a small impact on the 2014 results. I hope those in power have learnt their lesson.

 

But anyway let us celebrate - today Formula 1's credibility as a sport is the victor.

Edited by Incast, 26 November 2014 - 12:56.

[BullHead]

Fantastic! The sport lives.... and as you say, got away with it pretty much this year.

Edited by BullHead, 26 November 2014 - 17:37.

[Ducks]

 

The moment Hamilton became the highest point scorer in a GP.

[Mart280]

^^^ and Willams became the highest scoring team from one GP with 66 points

[FerrariV12]

Great news

[Amphicar]

The cynic in me wonders whether this decision (assuming AMUS is correct) may be more to do with the Abu Dhabi GP organisers not being willing to pony up for a second year than the near-universal hostility to double points by most commentators and fans.

[P123]

The cynic in me wonders whether this decision (assuming AMUS is correct) may be more to do with the Abu Dhabi GP organisers not being willing to pony up for a second year than the near-universal hostility to double points by most commentators and fans.

No doubt tough to sell a crap idea.

[Amphicar]

No doubt tough to sell a crap idea.

Not tough enough - they did it once

[robefc]

I did wonder whether Bernie would point out the double points did it's job, there was huge hype around 'the dual in the desert.

Even as a Hamilton fan absolutely cursing them I can't deny Abu Dhabi was much more of an event that it otherwise would have been.

Luckily sporting considerations seem to have won the day.

[August]

Double points would've been a great idea if the race distance had been considerably longer with refuelling needed.

Edited by August, 26 November 2014 - 21:02.

[Kerch]

Double points would've been a great idea if the race distance had been considerably longer with refuelling needed.

 

Twice the distance puts more strain on the car than it does the driver in my opinion. It just increases the chance of a retirement deciding the WDC.

 

Bear in mind that if someone wins seven races in a 1-2 finish, they only gain 49 points over their team mate, less than is on offer for this single GP. I don't think it should take up to eight victories to overcome a single retirement. 

 

If it was double points only for the constructors, that would be more reasonable. 

[SR388]

I wish the race was shortened due to rain, then only half-double points would be assigned.

[FerrariV12]

I wish the race was shortened due to rain, then only half-double points would be assigned.

 

I must admit this thought occurred to me mid-way through Suzuka when the commentators were talking about the possibility of time being called and half points being awarded, but then obviously what happened a few laps later took my mind off it, and given the climate in Abu Dhabi it would have taken something more serious than just the weather for that to have been the case there. So just glad this farce is over, didn't affect the top of the drivers championship or any of the constructors positions, and has been consigned to the rubbish bin where it belongs.

[hittheapex]

The cynic in me wonders whether this decision (assuming AMUS is correct) may be more to do with the Abu Dhabi GP organisers not being willing to pony up for a second year than the near-universal hostility to double points by most commentators and fans.

You're not the only one. It was pretty damn obvious what double points could do, as was the near universal opposition and yet they went ahead anyway.

 

Rumour has it that Abu Dhabi wants more for its money and is pushing for triple points for the last race

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Could be a lie.

Edited by hittheapex, 27 November 2014 - 12:11.

[John B]

The one gimmick I could see (and I'm completely against the concept) is some kind of a doubleheader - perhaps with race points based on an aggregate/race 2 winner getting a tiebreaker or just normal points for both races. Maybe invert the grid for race 2 to liven things up if the on track sprinklers aren't practical 

 

Racing got through the back to back November gimmicks with Hamilton in F1 and Kevin Harvick in NASCAR as deserving overall champs. The latter still wins the prize for nutty system on the fact that one could win 35 of 36 races and finish 4th in points.....

[danstheman]

If double points were awarded in Abu Dhabi this year Hamilton would have been champion...

 

Hamilton - 405

Rosberg - 403

Edited by danstheman, 28 November 2016 - 16:06.

[Buttoneer]

For fun, this is where the poll stands at time of posting.

Yes (26 votes [3.36%])
Voted No (719 votes [93.01%])
Don't care (28 votes [3.62%])

This must definitely be a good idea now, so lets see where it is at the end of the week.

[RekF1]

It would be a bit ridiculous. Imagine Rosberg had a 49 point lead going into that final race of 2014. Lewis would get a ton of **** for it.

My overall thoughts, regarding the last 3 years.

I wish they'd happened in reverse. From a racing perspective as much as all that's happened off track. I think Bahrain 14, was the most exciting dry races I've ever seen. Hungary, Canada, Monaco, Italy, Silverstone were all great races. But that race in Bahrain kind of settled it for me as to who was the better racer. I enjoyed their embrace afterwards, and both of them were proper excited.

The issue I've had over the whole Mercedes era, is their double speech. Toto's interview with sky yesterday was a good example. He's always implied that they're allowed to race, in fact, before the race he said it would be wrong for Mercedes to interfere, yet after the race he said that was just his inner racer speaking, yet his inner corporate voice told Lewis to hurry up or **** off to Redbull.

They designed a strategy to keep them from racing head to head, they made so many dubious strategy calls like giving Lewis the slower strategy in Hungary 2014, telling him to hold off in Italy the same year when his pressure forced Nico into a mistake.

Mercedes is not a race team

This post is 95% irrelevant to the topic. Feel free to delete, but I needed to vent.

Edited by RekF1, 28 November 2016 - 19:29.

[SophieB]

It was a shit idea then and it would have been a shit idea this weekend.

[Marklar]

For fun, this is where the poll stands at time of posting.

Yes (26 votes [3.36%])
Voted No (719 votes [93.01%])
Don't care (28 votes [3.62%])

This must definitely be a good idea now, so lets see where it is at the end of the week.

As I wasnt a member of this board when this was hot ****.....'No' just gained another vote

 

To Bernie's credit: It would be stil better than the medals system though

[Darth Sidious]

Bernie's medal system would see Lewis as WDC too.

 

So would a reliable installation of the engines in Hamilton's car, mind........

 

[garoidb]

The issue I've had over the whole Mercedes era, is their double speech. Toto's interview with sky yesterday was a good example. He's always implied that they're allowed to race, in fact, before the race he said it would be wrong for Mercedes to interfere, yet after the race he said that was just his inner racer speaking, yet his inner corporate voice told Lewis to hurry up or **** off to Redbull.
 

 

Allowing the drivers to race makes sense if it is a straight fight between them, with whoever prevails being the champion. I believe they would have allowed that. 

[pRy]

It was a **** idea then and it would have been a **** idea this weekend.

 

I'm not so sure. It would have set up a winner takes all race between Lewis and Nico. That would have been interesting. More interesting than Lewis driving around slowly and Nico settling for 2nd.

[Marklar]

I'm not so sure. It would have set up a winner takes all race between Lewis and Nico. That would have been interesting. More interesting than Lewis driving around slowly and Nico settling for 2nd.

You can hardly predict this before the season though. You could also get a scenario where a driver leads into the final race with 26+ points and then loses the title just because of double points (without it being a winner takes it all).

 

As an aside: it is from an sporting perspective unfair anyway and tarnishes for me every title which is won that way (even if in yesterdays case it might have been 'fair' in some ways given the different fortunes of the contenders over the season, but again you cant predict these things)

Edited by Marklar, 28 November 2016 - 19:50.

[pRy]

You can hardly predict this before the season though. You could also get a scenario where a driver leads into the final race with 26+ points and then loses the title just because of double points (without it being a winner takes it all).

 

As an aside: it is from an sporting perspective unfair anyway and tarnishes for me every title which is won that way (even if in yesterdays case it might have been 'fair' in some ways given the different fortunes of the contenders over the season, but again you cant predict these things)

 

Oh sure I'm not saying double points is a good idea. Just that if it were in place yesterday we'd have had a more competitive race. 

[Marklar]

Oh sure I'm not saying double points is a good idea. Just that if it were in place yesterday we'd have had a more competitive race. 

But we would have also got more discussions: Imagine Hamilton would have won based on double points then? I prefer to have a relatively tedious, flat final race for the championship rather than this tbh. 

[Muppetmad]

Nah, double points is never a good idea for a final race in F1 (an IndyCar 500 mile finale getting double points makes sense). That it would have given Hamilton the title this year doesn't change that.

[Lights]

It's a crazy thought that had a crazy man in power had a crazy idea at a slightly different moment in time, we would have a different champion.

[Zava]

also who knows how the last races would've panned out if they had double points in the last race? coincidence or not, Rosberg was winning races frequently up until the point he could do with only second places.

[PaulTodd]

clutching at straws aren't we?

 

I know it's a British forum and I understand most of the fan base wanted Hamilton to win but he didn't. Rosberg did a fantastic job and belittling his accomplishment seems so petty! Trust me I know it hurts when you support a driver and things don't go right, as an Alonso fan 2010 and 2012 was super painful but never in my wildest dreams would I go as far as "what if" scenarios.

 

Sometimes I feel the F1 fan base is slowly turning into what Football fan base is like. Just suck it up respect the over driver and move on.

[Marklar]

also who knows how the last races would've panned out if they had double points in the last race? coincidence or not, Rosberg was winning races frequently up until the point he could do with only second places.

I'm not sure about this: Rosberg won mostly races when Hamilton fluffed the start or had reliability hampering him, with the odd exception like Suzuka where Rosberg was simply better. None of this was the case in the last few races, although it is true that it might change the mindset for both drivers, so in general you have a point.

clutching at straws aren't we?
 
I know it's a British forum and I understand most of the fan base wanted Hamilton to win but he didn't. Rosberg did a fantastic job and belittling his accomplishment seems so petty! Trust me I know it hurts when you support a driver and things don't go right, as an Alonso fan 2010 and 2012 was super painful but never in my wildest dreams would I go as far as "what if" scenarios.
 
Sometimes I feel the F1 fan base is slowly turning into what Football fan base is like. Just suck it up respect the over driver and move on.

Heh? Everyone is basically saying that the idea is ****.

Edited by Marklar, 28 November 2016 - 20:31.

[mangeliiito]

When I saw this again, I was really afraid someone in charge suggested it again... Don't scare me like that!

[SophieB]

clutching at straws aren't we?
 
I know it's a British forum and I understand most of the fan base wanted Hamilton to win but he didn't. Rosberg did a fantastic job and belittling his accomplishment seems so petty! Trust me I know it hurts when you support a driver and things don't go right, as an Alonso fan 2010 and 2012 was super painful but never in my wildest dreams would I go as far as "what if" scenarios.
 
Sometimes I feel the F1 fan base is slowly turning into what Football fan base is like. Just suck it up respect the over driver and move on.

Perhaps you should quote someone saying absolutely any of that?

[robefc]

It was a **** idea then and it would have been a **** idea this weekend.

 

Very true...but I reckon I could have made my peace with it relatively quickly this year!

[redreni]

Bernie's medal system would see Lewis as WDC too.

 

So would a reliable installation of the engines in Hamilton's car, mind........

 

 

Only on the false assumption that Rosberg and Hamilton would have behaved identically knowing that was the system.

 

Rosberg closed it out with four consecutive second places. Under a medal system he would undoubtedly have tried much harder to win those races. Not that he didn't try to win them anyway, but he knew second was okay too and he drove accordingly. Maybe under a medal system he'd have tried harder and still failed to win those races, but it's an imponderable. A counterfactual. It's not worth discussing and it doesn't prove your point.

[BlackCat]

with double points final and points the way they were, Rosberd could have pulled a schumacher and crashed Hamilton out (with the possible punishment of losing three grid positions next year). ok, Rosberg is a gentleman, but such a thought could have crossed his mind.

[robefc]

with double points final and points the way they were, Rosberd could have pulled a schumacher and crashed Hamilton out (with the possible punishment of losing three grid positions next year). ok, Rosberg is a gentleman, but such a thought could have crossed his mind.

 

It crossed Mark Webber's mind yesterday!

[KarlCson]

The basic idea of dubble points was not all that bad. What made it silly was the randomization of  the outcome of the championship by just letting it cover one single race. If instead had completed the ATP-tour concept and made it to four Grand-Slam races in a season (with x2 points awarded), the "bad luck" factor would have been neutralized, while it would have had the potential to create an enormous interest -extended far beyond the usual viewers- in the events selected.   

[garoidb]

The basic idea of dubble points was not all that bad. What made it silly was the randomization of  the outcome of the championship by just letting it cover one single race. If instead had completed the ATP-tour concept and made it to four Grand-Slam races in a season (with x2 points awarded), the "bad luck" factor would have been neutralized, while it would have had the potential to create an enormous interest -extended far beyond the usual viewers- in the events selected.   

 

At the time, someone on here suggested that if the double points was a success it could be rolled out to every race!

[KarlCson]

At the time, someone on here suggested that if the double points was a success it could be rolled out to every race!

As in all human commercial activity there would be inflationary if one spread it out outside on upscale of carefully selected group of events, and the whole purpose of it would be lost.

[Nemo1965]

Well, post-truth has struck on these Forums as well. Anything to imagine Lewis is or could or should or would have been the champ...

[P123]

Well, post-truth has struck on these Forums as well. Anything to imagine Lewis is or could or should or would have been the champ...

Yeah, the 'what-if' debate has never ever ever happened before. Ever. Not once.

PS- don't worry, Lewis isn't WDC this year. If that mere fact doesn't satisfy enough you can join in the hand wringing pitchfork mob on multiple topics beating him over the head for driving slowly.

[screamingV16]

Double points is still a crap idea!

[RedBaron]

Double points is still a crap idea!

 

Agreed.

 

The only way double points makes sense is if the race is double the distance. Even then it's stupid.

 

Half points for half the race (red flag).

 

Full points for the full race.

 

Double points for double the race distance.