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#101 Knot

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:49

It might not be a very good idea but something has to be done to stop the teams to just give up developing their cars with 5-6 races remaining in the season , this season was complete BS , after the summer break pretty much everyone stood the same allowing those dominant performances from RB all the way to the end , last races were a joke

 

This will do nothing to address development.

 

They want the teams to give maximum racing effort to the end...which they do anyway.

 

If they want the teams to push development all year, then they need to introduce rules stability.



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#102 dau

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:49

What would make teams sign off on this? Think what an odd final race could do to the lower mid field where a couple of points can make a huge difference. 

"We can keep the championship thrilling until the end! Just think about it! Almost every season's championships will be decided at Abu Dhabi the final race, that means you guys will have at least 1000% higher chance of winning that WCC. Thought your season was over at the penultimate race? Nuh-uh. Not anymore. It's a win-win-win-win situation for everyone involved. Also, there's cake waiting for you outside, so if you'd just sign here..."

 

Maybe they even came up with it? Hope we'll get some insider info soon.



#103 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:49

Sorry, English not my main language. "Sign off on" means will teams approve or disapprove?

What would make the teams agree to this? 



#104 ensign14

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:51

What would make teams sign off on this? Think what an odd final race could do to the lower mid field where a couple of points can make a huge difference. 

 

Imagine Caterham has a best result of 12th and Marussia 14th going into the final race.  And a Marussia then finishes 12th.  That means Marussia get two 12ths.  :drunk:



#105 kedia990

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:52

Now would be a good time for that Ferrari Veto, eh?  :smoking:



#106 kedia990

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:53

Imagine Caterham has a best result of 12th and Marussia 14th going into the final race.  And a Marussia then finishes 12th.  That means Marussia get two 12ths.  :drunk:

 

Looooooool  :stoned:  :rotfl:



#107 ZZei

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:54

So, the reasoning is the teams will push harder to the end of the year? Maybe the 3 first teams and even then they might save their engines and stuff for the "massive final points giveaway". And that was the only positive thing they might get with this thing. The negatives list is far longer.



#108 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:55

Bad idea in my view. Why should you be (for example) 49 points clear going into the last race knowing you should be champion, only to be knocked out and lose the title because it's double points in the final race? Personally I'm against it.



#109 dau

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:56

Now would be a good time for that Ferrari Veto, eh?  :smoking:

Why would they, when they apparently voted in favour of it? The FIA site says the changes were "unanimously approved".



#110 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:57

I hope they will fail! Like somone leading 51 before Abu Dhabi!

 

Will they then triple the points for 2015 ??

 

Disgusting!



#111 dau

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:58

Imagine Caterham has a best result of 12th and Marussia 14th going into the final race.  And a Marussia then finishes 12th.  That means Marussia get two 12ths.  :drunk:

That's actually not too far fetched and would make sense. Well, as much sense as the rest of this.



#112 Nonesuch

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:58

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. It seems oil money really can buy you anything with the kind of characters currently running the F1 championship. :lol:

 

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#113 Markn93

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:58

Why would they, when they apparently voted in favour of it? The FIA site says the changes were "unanimously approved".

Well that's incredible how out of touch teams are with the fans, as it's unanimously hated.



#114 John Player

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:58

Nooooooooo

 

stupid stupid stupid idea

 

 

unbelievable



#115 Knot

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:58

So, the reasoning is the teams will push harder to the end of the year? Maybe the 3 first teams and even then they might save their engines and stuff for the "massive final points giveaway". And that was the only positive thing they might get with this thing. The negatives list is far longer.

 

The really silly part of this whole thing is that it doesn't address anything because the top teams push all year long, anyway.



#116 TomNokoe

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:58

The only good it will bring is that in the races preceding the final race, drivers will still be on the absolute limit, knowing solid consistency will not do. Although when was the last time a race was decided because a driver suddenly tried harder? Hmm

#117 prty

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 18:59

At first I thought that it can't be a bribe since brasil doesn't have so much money. Then I read its abu Dhabi. No need to say more, hope Ecclestone enjoys the money.

But to be honest it is us the stupid people for keeping watching. Seeing le mans and motogp this might be the time for the switch.

#118 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:01

Imagine Caterham has a best result of 12th and Marussia 14th going into the final race.  And a Marussia then finishes 12th.  That means Marussia get two 12ths.  :drunk:

 

They'd have only finished 12th once. It's double points not double positions or double races.



#119 spacekid

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:03

Couldn't care less. F1 as a sport is pretty much dead to me anyway with so many stupid rules being introduced.

The whole forced pitstop/mandatory stint length is still a bigger reason for me not to be watching. Just hoping for some good MotoGP next year, and looking forward to getting more into sportscars. F1 can do what it wants.

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#120 Gorma

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:03

They'd have only finished 12th once. It's double points not double positions or double races.

No that will be the equivalent of a 24th place as it makes as much sense as double points.



#121 Fastcake

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:04

That came completely out of nowhere. Certainly no one has publicly stated the need for double points at the end of the year, so how anyone came up with it I do not know.

 

Utterly moronic idea of course. Our only hope is it being reversed pre-season like Bernie's medal idea.



#122 Burtros

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:05

hmmm. I think I would have preferred it if they had changed the Abu Dhabi track to almost any other in the world instead. Its terrible.

 

Seriously though, Im not dead against it. Us fans are just along for the ride when it comes to changes like this. Its here for a while at least.



#123 Nonesuch

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:05

That came completely out of nowhere. Certainly no one has publicly stated the need for double points at the end of the year, so how anyone came up with it I do not know.

 

There was some talk of it a while ago, though I don't know where that originated. The thread should still be around, though.


Edited by Nonesuch, 09 December 2013 - 19:06.


#124 Ryan94

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:05

This, coupled with changing the last race to Abu Dhabi is absolutely ridiculous! What are the FIA thinking? Reading this thread, it is fairly unanimous that this is a terrible idea, why can't the FIA see that?



#125 yasushi888

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:05

I'm Out....

 

The best things in life are simple, F1 has become anything but simple, what happened to getting 20 guys together and racing, who ever is fastest wins. Simple.

 

All these penalties for this that and everything, three qualifying sessions, having to race using two tyre compounds, the piece of crap that is DRS in certain places only, gearboxes and engines lasting 25 races or whatever its is, now doubling points at the last race to make it even more confusing. All this with ugly cars and circuits with car parks stuck onto the sides of them. I was on the edge as the season finished, this has just given me a massive nudge over it! Enough is enough for me, whatever people say it just isn't the same sport as it ever was. Even from the 50's to 00's I think you could draw comparisons, I don't think you can anymore. If people enjoy the way F1 is going, good luck to them, but its not for me. :wave:



#126 MikeMM

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:08

This rule is stupid and unfair.

I hope FIA will change it.

But still I am surprised they  came up with it in the first place.

 

And did all the teams approve it? I cant belive that!


Edited by MikeMM, 09 December 2013 - 19:11.


#127 ollebompa

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:08

Surely the GPDA must have some power to make this not happen?



#128 Coral

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:10

Wow, I don't think I like this idea. Why double points for the last race? Seems a bit iffy if you ask me.

 

Whatever next...drawing straws to determine which team each driver drives for? It wouldn't surprise me... :drunk:



#129 dau

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:10

Couldn't care less. F1 as a sport is pretty much dead to me anyway with so many stupid rules being introduced.

The whole forced pitstop/mandatory stint length is still a bigger reason for me not to be watching. Just hoping for some good MotoGP next year, and looking forward to getting more into sportscars. F1 can do what it wants.

The mandatory pit stops thing was a proposal that has not been adopted at today's meeting. Could still happen, even though i find that very unlikely, but at the moment, it is just a proposal.


Edited by dau, 09 December 2013 - 19:10.


#130 chdphd

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:10

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#131 Afterburner

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:10

F#%k. Off.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if the FIA isn't intentionally trying to kill F1 at this point. These are like rules you'd find in Mario Party.

#132 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:10

"@alanbaldwinf1: By winning Abu Dhabi next year, a driver can now score more points in one race than the bottom four teams together managed in all of 2013."



#133 Nonesuch

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:11

Wow, I don't think I like this idea. Why double points for the last race? Seems a bit iffy if you ask me.

 

Pretty simple: it's exciting! :up: Like DRS. And 'six seconds per lap' KERS. And Pirelli tyres.


Edited by Nonesuch, 09 December 2013 - 19:13.


#134 Frank Tuesday

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:11

I wonder whether points systems where only certain number of best results are counted towards championship were/are hated so much and if not, why not? The first one is as artificial as this one.

Not artificial at all, because no individual race was singled out as more important to win.  If they said that you could throw out your worst results, but only if they happened at tracks x,y,z, then that would be artificial.



#135 MadYarpen

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:12

It's unbelievable. F1 gets harder and harder to be liked...



#136 EthanM

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:12

half measures ...

 

points for the last race shouldnt just be double, they should also be allocated at random through a lottery which we all trust Bernie to be in charge of



#137 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:14

Imagine these powertain penalties before the last race!

 

Caluclating the grid will be hard enough!

 

And now this!

 

Kabooom!

 

Poll please!


Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 09 December 2013 - 19:18.


#138 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:15

"@alanbaldwinf1: By winning Abu Dhabi next year, a driver can now score more points in one race than the bottom four teams together managed in all of 2013."

 

You could have done that under the current points in 2010 and 11, and missed it by one in 2012.



#139 Bawdy

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:16

Meh...

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#140 TomNokoe

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:17

What I cannot fathom is the powers that be in F1 are the drivers, the small children dreaming of the paddock from yesteryear. They supposedly love the sport just as much as you and I. How can they get these decisions so bizarrely wrong? It cannot be purely $$$ influenced. F1 has an image problem.

#141 dau

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:17

"@alanbaldwinf1: By winning Abu Dhabi next year, a driver can now score more points in one race than the bottom four teams together managed in all of 2013."

Uhm. By winning Abu Dhabi this year, Vettel scored more points in one race than the bottom three teams managed in all of 2013. That's not a particularly shocking stat.



#142 thechin

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:17

I give up. This has sealed it for me, won't be watching this shite any more.

 

I hope this is just Bernie keeping people talking about F1 over the winter.



#143 JensonWDC

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:18

lolz

F1 = dead

 

:down: :rolleyes:



#144 SonnyViceR

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:18

F#%k. Off.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if the FIA isn't intentionally trying to kill F1 at this point. These are like rules you'd find in Mario Party.

 

I think they all (FOM, FIA, Uncle Bernard, strategy group, Alf) had coffee with mr Stephane Ratel at some point and he told them a wonderful tale of the rainbow filled magic world of GT3, and suddenly evrerybody realised that the only way to go motor racing the BIG WAY was to throw rulebook to the bin and (sort) of figure things out on the way. Because you know, all that matters is the show, like totally. Slowly progressing up there. I am looking forward to post qualifying success ballast penalties and all things WWE in upcoming years.


Edited by SonnyViceR, 09 December 2013 - 19:20.


#145 Afterburner

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:21

I think they all (FOM, FIA, Uncle Bernard, strategy group, Alf) had coffee with mr Stephane Ratel at some point and he told them a wonderful tale of the rainbow filled magic world of GT3, and suddenly evrerybody realised that the only way to go motor racing the BIG WAY was to throw rulebook to the bin and (sort) of figure things out on the way. Because you know, all that matters is the show, like totally. Slowly progressing up there. I am looking forward to post qualifying success ballast penalties and all things WWE in upcoming years.



F1 in 2016.

#146 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:22

It's not really comparable to the issues faced by production based racing.



#147 lustigson

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:22

No matter what you think of this new rule, the sad bit is that this is the stuff that the Strategy (!) Working Group comes up with.



#148 Miggeex

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:22

Meh doesn't make that big of a difference. Championships can still easily be decided before the last race.



#149 senna da silva

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:24

So who exactly are the people sitting on the strategy and F1 Commission groups?



#150 snert

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:24

For all the brainpower in F1 they sure come up with some dumb ideas :rolleyes: