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McLaren P1™ vs. the Nürburgring-Nordschleife


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#1 pRy

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 14:40

Worthy of a thread me thinks!

 

 

Very well produced little video. Not sure what's causing the whistling noise. Mounted cameras perhaps? 



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#2 Scotracer

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 14:45

That's called a turbo-charger...



#3 Atreiu

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 14:49

What's the record?



#4 Gorma

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 14:54

That's called a turbo-charger...

That's no turbo... It's wind noise or something like that.

 

 

I guess they didn't beat the Porsche.


Edited by Gorma, 10 December 2013 - 14:55.


#5 pRy

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 14:56

That's called a turbo-charger...

Not that noise. There is another noise, most noticeable on the straight at the end.



#6 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 15:32

It's Stefan Bellof thinking close but no cigar... 



#7 Lazy

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 15:35

bit crap if they didn't beat the porsche



#8 Neophiliac

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 16:33

The sensation of speed in that video is amazing. Why can't we have F1 done like that???

#9 silense

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 16:41

What's the record?

 

6:57.00 in a Porsche 918 Spyder.



#10 Haribo

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 17:11

That whilstling is the kettle boiling that's attached to the 12V in-car adapter :)



#11 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 17:12

McLaren beat the porsche by 10 secs



#12 Lazy

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 17:15

That's ok then :)



#13 Mc_Silver

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 17:17

Very cool video, thanks for sharing  :up:



#14 mlsnoopy

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 17:31

McLaren beat the porsche by 10 secs

 

Are you joking? So that means that the record is now 6min.47s. 

Ferrari needs to up their game with the la Ferrari.


Edited by mlsnoopy, 11 December 2013 - 11:17.


#15 Lazy

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 17:37

I make it 6:47



#16 DS27

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 17:38

It's Stefan Bellof thinking close but no cigar... 

 

 

It won't be anywhere near Bellof's time.



#17 DampMongoose

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 18:56

Of course 6:11 takes some doing even in 30 year old machinery, on a track full of cars for good measure... Although Laudas lap could well have been the quickest for the applicable sections that were in use.

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 19:05

I think it will be really sad if / when Bellof's record goes. Would have loved to have been there.



#19 SebnandoKimilton

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 20:35

The strange noise is obviously a squeaky fan belt.    ;)



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#20 Disgrace

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 21:01

Does every video need to be a work of art? I'm sure it's a nice bit of marketing, but all the video needs to be is the onboard lap itself.



#21 SebnandoKimilton

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 21:04

Does every video need to be a work of art? I'm sure it's a nice bit of marketing, but all the video needs to be is the onboard lap itself.

I love the video, but I do want them to release the full on board too.



#22 JRizzle86

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 21:21

McLaren haven't released the time, reason is officially unknown but according a conversation between a McLaren owner and salesman the car did a 6.47 on road tyres and a 6.33 on slicks adding the reason the time hasn't been released officially is because they are waiting on what Ferrari may or may not achieve with the La Ferrari. 

 

From what journalists seemed to say in common whilst watching the P1 lap the Nordschleife was that they had never seen a road car take corners anywhere near what the P1 could....



#23 evo

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 22:59

Does Ferrari take its cars to the ring for development? I always thought it was either Fiorano or Mugello.


Edited by evo, 10 December 2013 - 23:00.


#24 TC3000

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 23:22

Does Ferrari take its cars to the ring for development? I always thought it was either Fiorano or Mugello.

 

Yes, they do - most manufacturers do

 

ferrari-laferrari-testing-on-the-nordsch

 

http://www.motorauth...rburgring-video



#25 rhukkas

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 23:36

Bit cliché if you ask me... and not releasing the time... what's the point?



#26 Atreiu

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:10

A fast car at Nurburgring with a camera to film it. What do you mean what's the point?



#27 r4mses

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:33

The sensation of speed in that video is amazing. Why can't we have F1 done like that???

 

Because F1 race tracks these days look like parking lots without anything near the track to give a sense of the car's speed and TV broadcasters are utterly incompetent - to say the very least - in using propper cameras and angles. :'(



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:48

McLaren haven't released the time, reason is officially unknown but according a conversation between a McLaren owner and salesman the car did a 6.47 on road tyres and a 6.33 on slicks adding the reason the time hasn't been released officially is because they are waiting on what Ferrari may or may not achieve with the La Ferrari. 

 

From what journalists seemed to say in common whilst watching the P1 lap the Nordschleife was that they had never seen a road car take corners anywhere near what the P1 could....

 

 

 

 There are rumors that McLaren havnt released the time yet because they have problems generating enough electricity from regenerative braking for the car to run a whole lap at 100%...The charge from battery isn't enough for the car to run a complete hot lap like the porsche.

Their 6.47 unofficial time is a couple of laps with the best sector time of each taken.

That would explain why they havent released a a full lap onboard video yet.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:17

I make it 6:47

It happens.



#30 Absulute

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:25

Who was driving?



#31 Xeriks

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 13:23

Who was driving?

Chris Goodwin, Mclaren's Chief Test Driver.



#32 Lemans

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 15:28

 There are rumors that McLaren havnt released the time yet because they have problems generating enough electricity from regenerative braking for the car to run a whole lap at 100%...The charge from battery isn't enough for the car to run a complete hot lap like the porsche.

Their 6.47 unofficial time is a couple of laps with the best sector time of each taken.

That would explain why they havent released a a full lap onboard video yet.

 

Not true. The P1 was developed to do an entire lap at the Nurburgring with enough charge in it. It was clocked doing over 200 mph in the final straight, Dottinger Hohe, at the end of the lap which suggests it has more than enough poke left in it.



#33 Absulute

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 19:42

Chris Goodwin, Mclaren's Chief Test Driver.

Ah yes, of course.  Thanks.



#34 DrProzac

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:03

Not that noise. There is another noise, most noticeable on the straight at the end.

Straight cut gears? Nah. Maybe the electric engine.

 

BTW, that fast without a roll cage..


Edited by DrProzac, 11 December 2013 - 20:05.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:43

Mclaren lied. They had high hopes and were super confident of beating Porsche's time. But when they didn't beat the time, they simply said they did beat the time, and decide not to release the time. 



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:04

Mclaren lied. They had high hopes and were super confident of beating Porsche's time. But when they didn't beat the time, they simply said they did beat the time, and decide not to release the time. 

Seems very unlikely, where did you get this from?



#37 JeePee

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:06

BTW, that fast without a roll cage..

 

It has a carbonfiber tub. I'd feel pretty safe inside that thing.



#38 sneaker91

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:16

I think it will be really sad if / when Bellof's record goes. Would have loved to have been there.


Thinking about how it would have sounded. Gawd

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 13:39

Mclaren lied. They had high hopes and were super confident of beating Porsche's time. But when they didn't beat the time, they simply said they did beat the time, and decide not to release the time. 

 

Did they say they beat Porsche? AFAIK they only confirmed beating the 7 minutes, but from what I've read they were slightly slower than Porsche with an average speed of "over 178 km/h" vs Porsche's official 179.5 km/h. And that's surely the reason why they don't come up with a time. They will probably have another go in the summer before announcing anything. 



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#40 shonguiz

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 16:03

This has to be one of the biggest marketing flops of the last decade.



#41 WitnessX

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 18:13

This has to be one of the biggest marketing flops of the last decade.

Why waste time and money on marketing a car which is completely sold-out?



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 19:30

Why waste time and money on marketing a car which is completely sold-out?

 

For what reason did they waste their time and money if not to enhance the brand?



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 19:31

Mclaren lied. They had high hopes and were super confident of beating Porsche's time. But when they didn't beat the time, they simply said they did beat the time, and decide not to release the time. 

 

 

This has to be one of the biggest marketing flops of the last decade.

 

/facepalm



#44 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 20:10

exploiting the myth "green hell" with what? No timed lap, no evidence at all. Keep on spinning (carbonfibre) yarn!

 

the high pitch noise is the electric motor or something related to it ( a horrible noise btw)


Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 18 December 2013 - 20:14.


#45 JRizzle86

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 21:02

Mclaren lied. They had high hopes and were super confident of beating Porsche's time. But when they didn't beat the time, they simply said they did beat the time, and decide not to release the time. 

Care to back this up with actual facts?



#46 pingu666

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 21:27

think ive heard similer.

curiously the new hybrid porche was thought tobe the weakest of the 3.



#47 WitnessX

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 21:42

For what reason did they waste their time and money if not to enhance the brand?

Because they promised it (the sub-7 minute) earlier this year at the motor shows and were obliged to deliver what they promised to the customers?



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 23:11

Because they promised it (the sub-7 minute) earlier this year at the motor shows and were obliged to deliver what they promised to the customers?

 

But why did they promise it if not for marketing?



#49 WitnessX

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 07:50

But why did they promise it if not for marketing?

Of course it was part of their original marketing strategy, however the post I orignally replied to stated:

"This has to be one of the biggest marketing flops of the last decade"

The fact that the original marketing ploy lead to all the P1 cars being sold out tells us that the marketing was a huge success not a "flop". Basically the "marketing" for the P1 is over. The marketing for the P13 will be based on other cars in the same category as itself.

I doubt cars are selected on by prospective customers on their ultimate time around the ring under "special circumstances".

The question is, is it worth getting involved an unofficial uncontrolled "pissing contest" with other manufacturers? All the P1's are sold, so they cannot change the specification of the P1. The other manufactures from what I can see are able to produce "variants" of their production cars (eg. "Weissach package") which move them more towards a pure racing machine.

There may be some "pride" involved, however pride isn't necessarily compatible with a business plan.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 08:35

Of course it was part of their original marketing strategy, however the post I orignally replied to stated:

"This has to be one of the biggest marketing flops of the last decade"

The fact that the original marketing ploy lead to all the P1 cars being sold out tells us that the marketing was a huge success not a "flop". Basically the "marketing" for the P1 is over. The marketing for the P13 will be based on other cars in the same category as itself.

I doubt cars are selected on by prospective customers on their ultimate time around the ring under "special circumstances".

The question is, is it worth getting involved an unofficial uncontrolled "pissing contest" with other manufacturers? All the P1's are sold, so they cannot change the specification of the P1. The other manufactures from what I can see are able to produce "variants" of their production cars (eg. "Weissach package") which move them more towards a pure racing machine.

There may be some "pride" involved, however pride isn't necessarily compatible with a business plan.

 

First I don't agree that it has been "one of the biggest marketing flops" but it still comes across like a small one to me. Maybe not so much for the P1 (although I'm sure its customers would love to drive the fastest road legal car, however one may subjectively define that) but for the McLaren brand. 

 

Doing a time under 7 minutes in a road legal car is hugely impressive and if they wouldn't care about "pride" they would simply say their time, wouldn't they? "Pride" is probably the most important thing for supercar-customers, and as such it's very important for the company too, obviously. 

 

As it is, it looks like they entered the pissing contest as you say but ducked out after finding out that they weren't quite pissing as far as Porsche was.

 

But of course we cannot say for sure since we just don't know the time.