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[ZionLH]

To relate this back to the thread theme; the question of which driver will enjoy the new car more is interesting… I think the cars will be ever more complex to set up, with even more input coming from the pits as the race progresses. Strategy will be quite fluid and car adjustments quite complicated. Which driver one thinks will be best able to cope with that I will leave up to you to say/think.

Oh damn you have done it now  Honestly its gonna be a topsy turvey year . There will be times where they get it spot on and others when they luck into setup. Not only will adjusting to the new car be abit of a pain but that damn FRIC gonna be abit of a headache aswell . I tell you one thing though Lewis and peter Bonnington will have to improve comms because Lewis was quite heated/ funny in those broadcast conversations could be even more entertaining this year. Back to the post . Lewis and Nico give great feedback the two will work together to bring out the best in the car and themselves. The pitwalll last year was so-so thats one of my worries they were not redbullesque hopefully they can iron it out .

[sabjit]

Oh damn you have done it now  Honestly its gonna be a topsy turvey year . There will be times where they get it spot on and others when they luck into setup. Not only will adjusting to the new car be abit of a pain but that damn FRIC gonna be abit of a headache aswell . I tell you one thing though Lewis and peter Bonnington will have to improve comms because Lewis was quite heated/ funny in those broadcast conversations could be even more entertaining this year. Back to the post . Lewis and Nico give great feedback the two will work together to bring out the best in the car and themselves. The pitwalll last year was so-so thats one of my worries they were not redbullesque hopefully they can iron it out .

 

No they don't, they just better hope whoever is in charge of broadcasting the radio transmissions isnt so eager to create sensationalist headlines. If you listen to the pits channel Lewis is not even close to being the rudest to his engineer.

[ZionLH]

No they don't, they just better hope whoever is in charge of broadcasting the radio transmissions isnt so eager to create sensationalist headlines. If you listen to the pits channel Lewis is not even close to being the rudest to his engineer.

Hmm good point, the media like to paint Lewis in a bad light actually thats just typical british press in general.

[Timstr11]

New sponsor: Swissquote

 

http://www.mercedesf...ers/swissquote/

 

Correction: Actually MIG Bank changed name I think.

Edited by Timstr11, 08 January 2014 - 21:21.

[chrcol]

I think engines are going to be blowing up left right and centre, not only is it new engines but also more races per engine, the rule change came at same time as the new engines.

 

This means in the races the engines dont blow up the drivers will be more agressive on points, consistency wont happen due to reliability.

[Jamiednm]

I think engines are going to be blowing up left right and centre, not only is it new engines but also more races per engine, the rule change came at same time as the new engines.

This means in the races the engines dont blow up the drivers will be more agressive on points, consistency wont happen due to reliability.

I don't think it will be that bad. These guys aren't amateurs. While I think reliability will have a huge bearing on the championships, it won't be the chaos many are predicting.

[Markn93]

Interesting pic posted on F1 tech -http://i57.fastpic.r...f4c56cc0874.jpg  hmm...... 

[Timstr11]

Interesting pic posted on F1 tech -http://i57.fastpic.r...f4c56cc0874.jpg  hmm...... 

Like many others, I've ignored that post, simply because it is fake.

Every year people are succeeding to fool some of you with the supposed new car ready and waiting under a cover.

[Markn93]

Fair enough.  I wouldn't say questioning it and putting it up for discussion is being fooled by it. Certainly as this one is rather poorly done.

[Swissquote]

New sponsor: Swissquote

 

http://www.mercedesf...ers/swissquote/

 

Correction: Actually MIG Bank changed name I think.

 

MIG BANK IS NOW SWISSQUOTE

 

Swissquote Bank acquired a 100 percent holding in MIG Bank effective 25 September 2013. The two banks completed their merger in December 2013, uniting Switzerland's largest online bank with Switzerland's dominant bank specialized in online Forex brokerage services. As sponsor of the Mercedes Petronas AMG Team we are looking forward to a very exiting F1 season !

Swissquote Bank Ltd. is Switzerland's leading online financial service provider. Swissquote is a renowned brand, a publicly-listed company with a market capitalization of about CHF 500 million and assets under custody of approximately CHF 10 billion. Swissquote is regulated by the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA) and is a member of the Swiss Bankers Association. The Group is headquartered in Gland (VD) with offices in Zurich, Bern, Dubai, Malta, London and Hong Kong and currently employs 519 staff.

[Newbrray]

At least the parent company is going from strenght to strenght

 

Mercedes posts 11.2 per cent sales gain in December, hits 2013 record

 

http://economictimes...ow/28631281.cms

Edited by Newbrray, 10 January 2014 - 13:52.

[sabjit]

That encouraging for AMG's long term future in F1 at least. I hope it convinces those at Daimler maybe the F1 project might just be starting to contribute to the sale of their cars.

[Shiroo]

That encouraging for AMG's long term future in F1 at least. I hope it convinces those at Daimler maybe the F1 project might just be starting to contribute to the sale of their cars.

 

There is no connection between these 2.

It is rather thanks to getting great designs and quality back in the cars.

Edited by Shiroo, 10 January 2014 - 16:30.

[keiichi]

If that was the case there would be no point having a F1 team. Surely you don't believe Mercedes is currently in F1 just for the sake of it...From a manufacturer's point of view, F1 is first of all a marketing manouevre.

[Shiroo]

If that was the case there would be no point having a F1 team. Surely you don't believe Mercedes is currently in F1 just for the sake of it...From a manufacturer's point of view, F1 is first of all a marketing manouevre.

 

Mercedes as a brand doesn't need a lot of PR in F1 (they were ok withou tit). They are known as one of the most prestigious car manufacturer . Their only problem was the quality of the cars recently. They were breaking down, had shitty steel used in cars (my Mercedes Class S from 2005 has signs of being rusted already...), and they had plenty of problems with the electronic stuff.

 

I highly doubt that someone would buy Mercedes because it is in Formula 1. He would buy it, cause he would want a good car, that is well-known, and has shitload of prestige to its name. And that's Mercedes for you. Mercedes aren't cheap to begin with, and I highly doubt that most of their users give any damn about F1 at all. Especially, if the team has good results or not.

 

Mercedes is in Formula 1 only because it does fit the image of the car. As fast and prestigious. 

Audi for example isn't as prestigious (at least in my opinion) as Mercedes. Yet their cars were made better recently, that's why Mercedes needed to up their game (or Audi down theirs ). Etc etc.

 

F1 has nothing to do with 11,2% increase, especially if we consider the month that they were bought in. December has hardly anything to do with Formula 1.

Edited by Shiroo, 10 January 2014 - 16:55.

[Lokt]

Mercedes as a brand doesn't need a lot of PR in F1 (they were ok withou tit). They are known as one of the most prestigious car manufacturer . Their only problem was the quality of the cars recently. They were breaking down, had shitty steel used in cars (my Mercedes Class S from 2005 has signs of being rusted already...), and they had plenty of problems with the electronic stuff.

 

I highly doubt that someone would buy Mercedes because it is in Formula 1. He would buy it, cause he would want a good car, that is well-known, and has shitload of prestige to its name. And that's Mercedes for you. Mercedes aren't cheap to begin with, and I highly doubt that most of their users give any damn about F1 at all. Especially, if the team has good results or not.

 

Mercedes is in Formula 1 only because it does fit the image of the car. As fast and prestigious. 

Audi for example isn't as prestigious (at least in my opinion) as Mercedes. Yet their cars were made better recently, that's why Mercedes needed to up their game (or Audi down theirs ). Etc etc.

 

F1 has nothing to do with 11,2% increase, especially if we consider the month that they were bought in. December has hardly anything to do with Formula 1.

The ultimate reason Mercedes is in F1 is to sell more cars. If they didnt think it would lead to higher sales they would not invest the millions of dollars they do every year.

Edited by Lokt, 10 January 2014 - 17:11.

[Jamiednm]

The ultimate reason Mercedes is in F1 is to sell more cars. If they didnt think it would lead to higher sales they would not invest the millions of dollars they do every year.

Correct.

Personally speaking, I bought a new A Class Mercedes last year and I know part of the reason that I went for the Merc over a BMW or an Audi is because I see Mercedes as a more exciting brand and F1 is very much part of that.

The new design style of Mercedes and my past experience of driving my parents Mercedes probably had a bigger influence on my decision, but their F1 connection was more than a deciding factor.

Mercedes are in F1 for prestige and to sell cars. There's no other reason really. F1 is not a development ground for their road cars.

[bonjon1979a]

Mercedes as a brand doesn't need a lot of PR in F1 (they were ok withou tit). They are known as one of the most prestigious car manufacturer . Their only problem was the quality of the cars recently. They were breaking down, had shitty steel used in cars (my Mercedes Class S from 2005 has signs of being rusted already...), and they had plenty of problems with the electronic stuff.

I highly doubt that someone would buy Mercedes because it is in Formula 1. He would buy it, cause he would want a good car, that is well-known, and has shitload of prestige to its name. And that's Mercedes for you. Mercedes aren't cheap to begin with, and I highly doubt that most of their users give any damn about F1 at all. Especially, if the team has good results or not.

Mercedes is in Formula 1 only because it does fit the image of the car. As fast and prestigious.
Audi for example isn't as prestigious (at least in my opinion) as Mercedes. Yet their cars were made better recently, that's why Mercedes needed to up their game (or Audi down theirs ). Etc etc.

F1 has nothing to do with 11,2% increase, especially if we consider the month that they were bought in. December has hardly anything to do with Formula 1.

Ridiculous to say it has 'nothing' to do with it. As ridiculous as saying it has everything to do with f1. You can only draw conclusions of trends over long periods of times, too many other factors to say with any certainty at this stage.

[keiichi]

Mercedes as a brand doesn't need a lot of PR in F1 (they were ok withou tit). They are known as one of the most prestigious car manufacturer . Their only problem was the quality of the cars recently. They were breaking down, had shitty steel used in cars (my Mercedes Class S from 2005 has signs of being rusted already...), and they had plenty of problems with the electronic stuff.

 

I highly doubt that someone would buy Mercedes because it is in Formula 1. He would buy it, cause he would want a good car, that is well-known, and has shitload of prestige to its name. And that's Mercedes for you. Mercedes aren't cheap to begin with, and I highly doubt that most of their users give any damn about F1 at all. Especially, if the team has good results or not.

 

Mercedes is in Formula 1 only because it does fit the image of the car. As fast and prestigious. 

Audi for example isn't as prestigious (at least in my opinion) as Mercedes. Yet their cars were made better recently, that's why Mercedes needed to up their game (or Audi down theirs ). Etc etc.

 

F1 has nothing to do with 11,2% increase, especially if we consider the month that they were bought in. December has hardly anything to do with Formula 1.

 

Obviously their increase in sales can't be exclusively because of their involvement in F1, so in that regard recent improvements in quality and other aspects of the brand also have major impact, but the point I was trying to make was that Mercedes got involved in F1 as a marketing manouevre to try to boost their sales. There simply isn't any other reason for it. As has been said before, they don't spend millions in F1 just for the fun of it.

[maxx7]

Sam bird 

I believe that the powertrain is going to be good, as I only hear positive things about it as well as driving it on the simulator. The driveability is good and it look forward to seeing it out on track. Can’t really say anything else

 

.http://richlandf1.com/?p=17978

Edited by maxx7, 12 January 2014 - 15:55.

[Markn93]

Nice to hear that 

[Jamiednm]

Sam bird 

.http://richlandf1.com/?p=17978

 

It is good to hear. Though in context, it's not at all insightful because as good as Bird perceives it, the real issue is were it measures up to the competition of the Ferrari and Renault engines.

[jjcale]

Not heard a peep about Brackley's car this year .....hmmm

[Markn93]

Were you expecting to? 

[jjcale]

I havnt really been trying this year (been very busy since about August) .... but yeah, I usually hear something by now. 

 

... not reading anything into it, its just unusual.... maybe its the new regime.  

[Timstr11]

Not heard a peep about Brackley's car this year .....hmmm

It also strikes me there are no leaks whatsover from Brackley. Certainly compared to the Ferrari camp.

[maxx7]

Not good for mercedes.
rumors about Bosch injector.

Magneti Marelli would have already come to inject the fuel at 500 bar pressure, while Bosch is working to get to this limit.

http://www.omnicorse...h-come-mercedes

[Xeriks]

 

Not good for mercedes.
rumors about Bosch injector.

 

http://www.omnicorse...h-come-mercedes

 

Why just Mercedes? Renault also chose to use the Bosch injector, I expect them to reach the same limit as the Magneti Marelli injector by the time the season starts.

 

And about there not being much talk coming out of Brackley, we've heard many times that they're expecting a good package for the upcoming season only a few days ago Sam Bird said it was looking good.

 

I'm not too bothered that it's been quiet compared to say Ferrari's way of doing things, which is filled with non stop rumors.

[Timstr11]

The story that Bosch has trouble to make the 500 Bar pressure is likely untrue.

Over at F1Technical, Scarbs pointed to a commercially available Bosch injector which can do 500 Bar.

[Doogz]

Not sure if it's a translation/terminology thing, but that link is for a fuel pump, not an injector.

[maverick69]

To get an injector to deliver 500 Bar is not exactly rocket science (well.......... it actually is).

 

To get it to reliably deliver 500 Bar in the relatively unknown conditions of the new F1 power units is another thing all together. They're having the same issues with the "normally reliable" turbos etc....... 

[Seano]

Must admit I've never thought about the actual pressure from the injector - 500 bar seems a bloody high number (circa 7300 PSI). From personal experience, I've been more concerned about getting a decent spray pattern from 1200CC injectors and getting a reliable delivery of fuel to the injector rail (normally about 5 bar or 73PSI). That is more than enough fuel for 500 ~ 600 BHP from a 4 cylinder FI Honda K20 which typically does about 5 miles to the gallon. But these things are critical to prevent knock especially with FI.

 

Meanwhile I'm going to ask Injector Dynamics what sort pressure mine put out - I never thought for a moment the numbers could be so high! I wonder if the thinking is a very high, short blast in a confined space is more effective at creating the mist for the flame front?

 

Fascinating!

[maxx7]

 Jonathan Noble speaking

SINGLE TEAM DOMINATION

The F1 gossip machine is already hinting that Mercedes will be the team to beat, with the paddock grapevine suggesting it is pretty upbeat about its 2014 design performance compared to rival outfits.

If that is the case, and some of the other front runners are having trouble, then F1 could end up with single team domination again - something few fans want to see after the less than thrilling end to 2013.

 

 

[bonjon1979a]

Tyres. It'll be all about the tyres and know one knows squat yet because no ones run on them yet.

[Newbrray]

 Jonathan Noble speaking

 

Quote

SINGLE TEAM DOMINATION

The F1 gossip machine is already hinting that Mercedes will be the team to beat, with the paddock grapevine suggesting it is pretty upbeat about its 2014 design performance compared to rival outfits.

If that is the case, and some of the other front runners are having trouble, then F1 could end up with single team domination again - something few fans want to see after the less than thrilling end to 2013.

 

Am wondering where everyone seems to get these information about the relative performance of cars from. They all seem to change from week to week

 

1st it was Mercedes with a 100hp advantage

Then ferrari with a packaging advantage

Renault with a driveability advantage

Mclaren with a perfomance enhancing innvoative suspension system

Lotus with an innovative nose that will blow the competition away

 

whats next

 

Newey has found 4 secs with the shape of his sidepods

Honda's 2015 engine will not require fuel but run on air

Mclaren have developed a car that doesn't require driver input or steer (so driver error is eradicated)

 

well, I guess its that time of the year. Winter testing can't come soon enough!!

[MP422]

 Jonathan Noble speaking

 

 

I hope so, I don't mind if Mercedes W05 is the class of the field.... doubt this is true although i would love to see what Lewis could accomplish with the best package overall. The blow back would be intense !!!

[senna da silva]

 Jonathan Noble speaking

 

I won't mind at all. At least Merc have two strong drivers, it could be an epic battle. I'd also be ok with Lewis winning every GP in 2014. 

[l8apex]

Must admit I've never thought about the actual pressure from the injector - 500 bar seems a bloody high number (circa 7300 PSI). From personal experience, I've been more concerned about getting a decent spray pattern from 1200CC injectors and getting a reliable delivery of fuel to the injector rail (normally about 5 bar or 73PSI). That is more than enough fuel for 500 ~ 600 BHP from a 4 cylinder FI Honda K20 which typically does about 5 miles to the gallon. But these things are critical to prevent knock especially with FI.

 

Meanwhile I'm going to ask Injector Dynamics what sort pressure mine put out - I never thought for a moment the numbers could be so high! I wonder if the thinking is a very high, short blast in a confined space is more effective at creating the mist for the flame front?

 

Fascinating!

 

Your K20 doesn't use direct injection, so there will be a very large difference on the fuel pressure.  Some K series engine have something called direct port injection... don't let this confuse you though because it absolutely isn't the same thing.  Direct port injection sprays the fuel into the intake port just before the valve.  Actual direct injection sprays the fuel directly into the cylinder.

[Markn93]

Tobias Gruner says on twitter that Merc unlike RB won't 'launch' the car rather roll it out and get straight on with testing.  I like the sound of this. 

Edited by Markn93, 16 January 2014 - 13:42.

[mclarensmps]

At least the parent company is going from strenght to strenght

 

Mercedes posts 11.2 per cent sales gain in December, hits 2013 record

 

http://economictimes...ow/28631281.cms

They will go even better in 2014, with the downmarket CLA and GLA

[ZionLH]

Tobias Gruner says on twitter that Merc unlike RB won't 'launch' the car rather roll it out and get straight on with testing.  I like the sound of this. 

 

Didn't they do that last year aswell.

[Markn93]

Well there was the whole online debacle and they rented Jerez the day before the test and did some official pics. Nothing of the sort this year. 

[study]

Rumour on F1technical

 

 

This could be classified as a rumour: I spoke to someone who spoke to someone working in AMG on the F1 engine, he mentioned more than 700bhp already (before electric engines).

[ApexMouse]

Somebody at F1tech said it? 

Must be true. 

[jrg19]

It's 100% true, I asked Lewis about it in NYC yesterday.

Edited by jrg19, 19 January 2014 - 14:35.

[mlsnoopy]

 

Rumour on F1technical

 

 

This could be classified as a rumour: I spoke to someone who spoke to someone working in AMG on the F1 engine, he mentioned more than 700bhp already (before electric engines).

 

 

Take a step back. Stand on your head and think about it. 

[Szoelloe]

Well there was the whole online debacle and they rented Jerez the day before the test and did some official pics. Nothing of the sort this year. 

 

 

Heh, it was the best thread ever, and after that, basically they rolled the car out and got on with it. I don't think anybody will make a fuss with the new cars. Maybe Mc, now that Ron the Don has the reigns back in his hands.

[Markn93]

Perhaps but I happen to think they're onto something this year. The 'keep your head down ' approach is exactly what I would expect from a quietly confident outfit who have been targeting this year for a while as the season they make the jump to front runners.  All these rumours are just the media and the paddocks way of respecting Mercs results from last year and prior engine building successes and not unduly so. I expect Merc, as was Ross' way on occasion,  to have a silver bullet of sorts, and it could simply be the engine and their ability to incorporate it better than the customer teams, but there is every reason to be very optimistic about their prospects for this year. 

[Timstr11]

BTW, I'm really expecting a Silverstone shakedown before they set off for Jerez.

Looking forward to some news leaking from there towards the end of this week..

[f1engineer]

BTW, I'm really expecting a Silverstone shakedown before they set off for Jerez.

Looking forward to some news leaking from there towards the end of this week..

 

no time.

Edited by f1engineer, 19 January 2014 - 22:58.