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#851 noikeee

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:01

Hyundai leads! Anyone seen that coming?



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#852 Anja

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:10

Very interesting results so far.



#853 noikeee

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:36

Well Sordo's moment of glory didn't last long. Also, Kubica stopped - anyone up for repeating the good old and incredibly tiring debate we've been having every rally, eh? (provided it's not a mechanical)



#854 Sheepmachine

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:43

I hope the reason Kubica has stopped is because it's mechanical not driver error. Also looks like something has happened to elfyn evans.

#855 Anja

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:45

Apparently Kubica's wheel is off after hitting a rock and Evans went off the road.


Edited by Anja, 04 April 2014 - 11:50.


#856 Myrvold

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:09

And Kubica are already out with a bang... :/

Edited by Myrvold, 04 April 2014 - 12:11.


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 13:27

So that'll be 9 crashes in 9 complete (or not in his case) days rallying....

Theres been 2 recce accidents too!

 

I hope Lotos have plenty of money to keep paying for this



#858 InfectedPumpkin

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 13:31

Surprise, surprise: Robert "The Crash" Kubica crashed again :D

That sounds no good.



#859 DrProzac

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 14:16

2 recce accidents? He had a collision with some driver and..?

 

Normally one could argue that hitting a rock is often bad luck.But I won't..

 

WRC survey:

http://www.wrc.com/e...45--12-12-.html



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#860 kosmic33

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 14:50

According to iRally he hit a tree.....



#861 Sheepmachine

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 14:54

Latvala has hit trouble as well. :(

#862 kosmic33

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 15:20

According to iRally he hit a tree.....

Or maybe more than 1.....

https://twitter.com/...4081153/photo/1

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#863 DrProzac

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 15:22

He did:

https://www.facebook...42199383&type=1

 

The car doesn't look wrecked:

http://instagram.com/p/mXhwv9gUaS/

 

Latvala:

https://www.facebook...42199383&type=1



#864 Myrvold

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 17:13

So that'll be 9 crashes in 9 complete (or not in his case) days rallying....

Theres been 2 recce accidents too!

 

I hope Lotos have plenty of money to keep paying for this

Only one recce crash? It wasn't him that crashed in Portugal.

And 9 'cannot continue' crashes in 5 rallies. Ouch.



#865 mikerally

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:01

any live stages this weekend?



#866 Anja

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:21

Aaaaaaaand Kubica is off again. It's getting just ridiculous.



#867 DrProzac

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:45

The word is that the car wasn't damaged but it was stuck. And that he rejoined but had problems with the engine and won't continue.



#868 JRodrigues

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 11:11

live now: http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtp1



#869 DrProzac

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 12:19

Tanak crashed, blocking the road. Shame, he was doing very well.

 

Kubica couldn't restart the engine due to a starter engine failure.



#870 DrProzac

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 14:18

Kubica wrote: "Steering problem, off road trip and than the clutch gaveup while trying get back on..., that's rally..."

So the second off might not have been his error.



#871 Option1

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 16:14

Or "steering problem" could mean "didn't point car in right direction."  ;)  :)

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Neil



#872 DrProzac

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 19:02

Hehehe :)

 

Well he said that the car had massive understeer into the right corners. He doesn't know it if were the tires or some problem with the steering (he said that before the stage something wasn't right with it). He said it didn't change much. They were going in a very calm way, but he misheard a pacenote (he though it was a five, but it was a three). They almost managed to immediately return on the road (half of it was already there), but the revs dropped too much and he couldn't downshift. They they slid more and the clutch gave up when they were trying to return to the road.

 

Also: "Right now I am going through a difficult period of my life, even though I've had worse times. I think I must somehow reset myself and try to approach rallies the way I did at the very beginning, twelve months ago. I really hope we will have a much better Rally of Argentina."

 

End of rally for Kubica, anyway. I hope that Hirvonen will manage to get a podium finish.



#873 BRG

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 19:36

Three Norwegians in the top six.  Has that ever happened before at this level of the sport?

 

And what the hell is this row between the teams and the promoters?  I sometimes think that the WRC has a death wish or something.  :well:



#874 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 22:02

Being Kubica's co-driver has got to be one of the most terrifying jobs in the world.  You know things are going to end badly, and yet there is nothing you can do to stop it.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:20

Being Kubica's co-driver has got to be one of the most terrifying jobs in the world.  You know things are going to end badly, and yet there is nothing you can do to stop it.

:lol:



#876 Myrvold

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:28

Three Norwegians in the top six.  Has that ever happened before at this level of the sport?

Sweden 2011. 1st, 3rd and 5th. Østberg, Petter and Henning. Then with Eyvind Brynildsen in a S2000 Skoda on 8th as well after Day 1. Henning retired on the first stage on day 2.

GB 2011 as well, after day 2, Mads, Petter and Henning, 3rd, 4th and 5th :) Petter retired with mechanical problems on the first stage of Day 3.

There might be other occasions in 2011 as well. That was the last time we had three drivers in fairly good equipment running :)


Edited by Myrvold, 06 April 2014 - 01:28.


#877 DrProzac

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 08:53

Sordo out?

 

Being Kubica's co-driver has got to be one of the most terrifying jobs in the world.  You know things are going to end badly, and yet there is nothing you can do to stop it.

:lol: Nah, Kubica's crashes aren't high speed. Novikov's co-drivers had it worse :p



#878 DrProzac

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:25

The last stage is live on wrc.com (in Poland only - BTW anyone knows why exactly?)



#879 Option1

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:46

Live coverage!  (I don't even care that the stream I'm watching is very short on pixels.) :clap: :clap:

 

Neil


Edited by Option1, 06 April 2014 - 10:47.


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#880 BRG

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 18:02

Sweden 2011. 1st, 3rd and 5th. Østberg, Petter and Henning. Then with Eyvind Brynildsen in a S2000 Skoda on 8th as well after Day 1. Henning retired on the first stage on day 2.
GB 2011 as well, after day 2, Mads, Petter and Henning, 3rd, 4th and 5th :) Petter retired with mechanical problems on the first stage of Day 3.

There might be other occasions in 2011 as well. That was the last time we had three drivers in fairly good equipment running :)


Good for Norway then! Strange how Sweden has declined over the years but Norway has gone from strength to strength since the rally ban was overthrown.

Three in the top five at the finish!

#881 Myrvold

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:00

Not sure how to look at it though. Andreas was not exactly fast in Portugal, his swap from Ola Fløene to Mikko Markkula is a swap that won't work out as well. Andreas and Ola had worked so closely over such a long time, not to mention that they suffered through the accident that killed 10 year old Elise.

They fine-tuned an almost overly complicated pacenote-system, that contained extremely much information. This due to Ola's ability to speak extremely fast and clearly, while keeping an extreme calmness. He is, without any doubt, one of the best co-drivers there is, also shown on Pontus Tidemand these days.

However, Andreas have now gone from a complicated, extremely detailed pace-note system, with a clear, calm voice. To a co-driver who doesn't speak english that good, who sorta mumbles with the english words, and struggles to read fast enough, so they take out more and more information from the notes, for Markkula to be able to keep up. This is causing quite big problems for him.

 

At the same time Henning Solberg drove one gravel for his first time since Rally GB in 2011, and ended up 5th. Of course this shows that Henning is a very good driver, who might've lost his big shot due to the politics, and A, B, C-teams when he was at his best.
But it also shows that even with new, up & coming drivers, the level might not be too high at the moment.

 

And with the risk of sounding like a person who hypes up drivers from his own nation... If Petter Solberg and Anders Grøndal had done a season in WRC as well, this would been quite red,white and blue ^^,

 

Oh, and Ola Fløene, does actually have a severe dyslexia condition!



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:56

Great win by EP Lappi in ERC / Ireland. This was apparently his first international all tarmac event victory. He could be championship contender this year despite not running a turbo car.

#883 MadYarpen

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 08:52

Yeah, it was impressive. And he seemed to be very relaxed all the time. :up: :up:



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 09:39

An excellent drive by Lappi, who looked to have it in hand from the start.  Opposition was a bit slim, sadly, especially once Breen retired.  Tarmac pace has often been a weak point for Finnish drivers (IIRC Juha Kankkunen never won a single tarmac rally) so this makes Lappi look a pretty complete driver and he may be a real future star.

 

But what a sad travesty the Circuit of Ireland has become - a handful of stages over two days within a stone's throw of Belfast, compared to five days of stages right around the island back in the day.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 09:47

An excellent drive by Lappi, who looked to have it in hand from the start.  Opposition was a bit slim, sadly, especially once Breen retired.  Tarmac pace has often been a weak point for Finnish drivers (IIRC Juha Kankkunen never won a single tarmac rally) so this makes Lappi look a pretty complete driver and he may be a real future star.
 
But what a sad travesty the Circuit of Ireland has become - a handful of stages over two days within a stone's throw of Belfast, compared to five days of stages right around the island back in the day.


I'm afraid that is modern Rallying. It's not the only event which has been on a diet - and sadly it seems the sport is becoming more and more like this.
However, hats off to Bobby Willis and the team for their efforts - let's hope they can run next year, and with a bigger entry.

#886 BRG

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 10:29

So the WRC heads for Argentina.  High altitudes on some stages, the famous watersplashes and the ever enthusiastic local fans.  There are countries that 'get' motorsport, and there are countries that don't.  Argentina definitely does in a way that Abu Dhabi (for example) never will.

 

Anyway, I am going to go way out on a limb and make some rash predictions.  Ogier to win and Kubica to crash out, at least once.  There, I have stuck my neck out, but you have to live dangerously occasionally!   ;)



#887 Option1

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 13:45

I have heard that after BRG's predictions those two longshot picks have now shortened considerably with the bookies.

 

Neil



#888 DrProzac

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 19:38

No way BRG, that can't happen! :p



#889 MadYarpen

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 09:56

Have you guys done a WRC survey? here it is: http://www.wrc.com/e...45--12-12-.html

I guess you should, though i don't know how much impact it can and will have. Anyway, be carefull cause to me it seems that innocent questions can be used to back up this riddiculous concept of super power stage.



#890 DrProzac

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 10:09

I did, quite a lot of time ago.



#891 proviz

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 10:56

I don't see how that survey is going to help anybody. As usual in such things, some of the questions and/or choices are totally inconclusive. If I watch live motor sport occasionally or even every two months, should I tick "monthly" or "never"? There's no choice in between. Ridiculous!



#892 MaGiK

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 13:22

Man what a start. We lost allready Hirvonen, Ostberg, Tanak.

Also Sordo havin problems.



#893 Muppetmad

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 13:43

A dramatic start, certainly. Latvala leads! :up:



#894 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 14:01

Dramatic start but even more pathetic LT...  :mad:



#895 MaGiK

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 14:03

This LT is much faster than WRC one. It doesnt include splits tough.

 

http://fr.best-of-ra...a-2014#ong_spec



#896 MadYarpen

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 14:59

thanks. But tbh with stages of 50km it is vital to have splits. This is pathetic from FIA and the supplier, once again. I cannot understand how can they not break the contract....



#897 Anja

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 18:16

Good stuff from Neuville so far, only VWs are faster.



#898 BRG

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:36

I made some bold predictions earlier but I wouldn't have been so bold as to predict Meeke and Evans in 3rd & 4th places!  And the Kube still on the road.  It will never last....Meeke & Evans, I mean.



#899 Myrvold

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 23:25

Not exactly fast driving by Kubica (or Evans), but at least they are staying out of the major issues. Getting KM's down. That's good.



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Posted 11 May 2014 - 06:16

yeah, I think RK needs to finish finally. He has very cautious pacenotes from what I understand.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for JML - recently his wins were always in rallies when Ogier had some issues/offs - not due to a better pace. So that's nice.