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#4001 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 23:37

Hopefully the team will bring some new pieces to Melbourne to help the stability. I've been watching some videos from Bahrain and the back end just looks diabolical !

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#4002 S3baman

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 23:50

I think the fact that the drivers are not as optimistic as the Merc pair and Massa says quite a lot about the current state of the car. The car might have great potential, but so far we haven't seen it. In the only race sims in the last Bahrein test, the times were quite disappointing. Albeit, the drivers weren't pushing at 100% so it's hard to tell the ultimate pace but I can't see us winning in Aussie.



#4003 as65p

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 00:57

Wahtever it is, it is. No excuses.

I do not want to hear the car is a great car, when neither Alonso or Raikkonen can put a lap together due to the mountain of issues the car may have.

There's one good thing about this season, the people who previsously hinted to variying degrees that Ferrari was lacking on the driver side will look double as foolish as before. Or triple, depending on how good Massa will look in the Williams.



#4004 gilez

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 01:34

..so, the idea stated by Allison that the engine manufacturing teams (Ferrari, Mercedes) will have an advantage over the rest was wrong?

#4005 Kingshark

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:25

According to the racing comments' front page, this thread has been "hot" for days. such a shame all the attention is negative, though.



#4006 Hanzo

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:38

According to the racing comments' front page, this thread has been "hot" for days. such a shame all the attention is negative, though.

 

Yes, the "hot" indicator has been there since a few days now, but no cooling problems so far. 81 pages and still going strong. A few problems during the second Bahrain test, when the thread was locked for half a day, but it looks that we all are going to make it to Melbourne. Less than a week to watch the cars there   :clap:


Edited by Hanzo, 09 March 2014 - 04:38.


#4007 Kingshark

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:04

Yes, the "hot" indicator has been there since a few days now, but no cooling problems so far. 81 pages and still going strong. A few problems during the second Bahrain test, when the thread was locked for half a day

 

:rotfl: Brilliant!  :up:



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:49

I think the fact that the drivers are not as optimistic as the Merc pair and Massa says quite a lot about the current state of the car. The car might have great potential, but so far we haven't seen it. In the only race sims in the last Bahrein test, the times were quite disappointing. Albeit, the drivers weren't pushing at 100% so it's hard to tell the ultimate pace but I can't see us winning in Aussie.

 

The problem is the drivers were not pushing 100% not because they did not wanted to, but because they just could not.

 

Both Ferrari drivers are being philosophical.   Lets be honest, what else can they be?  Can they bitch about the car, if it is indeed a turd?


Edited by fabr68, 09 March 2014 - 09:49.


#4009 SpaMaster

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:55

I don't know why so many people fry the team as if the season is over. The teams fall back, gain back and get ahead all the time in F1. The first race has not even happened yet. The criticism is not unwarranted. But reserve it for after a few races if not half the season.



#4010 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:58

Another potential problem for Ferrari is McLaren. If their upgrades work, they can easily be another team that's quicker than Ferrari to go along with Mercedes and Williams. They have the engine and drivers to fulfill their potential.

 

It's as if F1 were a competition.



#4011 Seanspeed

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:59

So Williams is only 0.300 behind Mercedes? :stoned:

Its always ridiculous when somebody tries to narrow down the margin between cars to the tenth like that.

The gaps between these teams could easily be a fair bit larger or smaller than that, especially when taking into consideration that performance is often track-dependent.

#4012 Seanspeed

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:07

I don't know why so many people fry the team as if the season is over. The teams fall back, gain back and get ahead all the time in F1. The first race has not even happened yet. The criticism is not unwarranted. But reserve it for after a few races if not half the season.

The criticism is either warranted at the moment or it isn't. Which one is it?

I'd say its warranted. Starting the season off well is important. Its *very hard* to claw back a large performance deficit later on and fight for the title. I suppose its not a big deal if you'd be happy with 3rd place at the end of the year, but some of us have loftier ambitions.

#4013 bonjon1979a

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:17

Its always ridiculous when somebody tries to narrow down the margin between cars to the tenth like that.

The gaps between these teams could easily be a fair bit larger or smaller than that, especially when taking into consideration that performance is often track-dependent.


I'd agree. Who knows who was doing what. General idea of pace, yes. Actual differences between teams, I doubt very much

#4014 Zava

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:35

Yes, the "hot" indicator has been there since a few days now, but no cooling problems so far. 81 pages and still going strong. A few problems during the second Bahrain test, when the thread was locked for half a day, but it looks that we all are going to make it to Melbourne. Less than a week to watch the cars there   :clap:

but I think we should take a new PU (posting unit) with us, because it already reached the end of its life circle, 4000 kms posts.



#4015 Ferrari2183

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:38

The criticism is either warranted at the moment or it isn't. Which one is it?

I'd say its warranted. Starting the season off well is important. Its *very hard* to claw back a large performance deficit later on and fight for the title. I suppose its not a big deal if you'd be happy with 3rd place at the end of the year, but some of us have loftier ambitions.

It's not warranted. Not at this stage to be more precise.

Unless you know how far back they are I would suggest a wait until the first race is complete at the very least.

Should the gap only be a couple of tenths I'm sure that more people than not will take that given the new regulations and the complicated nature of power units.

That said, I do think Ferrari are behind but I don't think it is the numbers being thrown around by the media. Will Buxton thinks that if Mercedes were to let loose they would lap the entire field twice. I mean seriously...

#4016 TheSingularity

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:48

I take a watching brief on this forum. This thread is extremely depressing, as if the order now will be the order come end of the season. No-one knows where Ferrari are in the order. There are rumours from people who are paid to comment on it, so they have to say something. So they can only go on the evidence. Sure Ferrari didn't look that great in pre-season but the vast majority of failures were minor. I can look at that in two ways. Ferrari are reliable. Or Ferrari are not pushing the car hard to enough to test components! This thread has such an attitude that I think the majority will take the latter. I think Ferrari didn't run the entire test at full power but they tested each component individually. You have to remember Alonso did the 2nd most laps (Kimi got his traditional bad luck, last year Romain did all the set up work for him because he missed so much through unreliability and one day through illness). so they have covered a lot in distance so I highly doubt they're that far back on their programme if at all.

 

Sure there might be a bit of performance missing but I feel the aero towards the back of the car has a lot that can still be exploited and if the wind tunnel is really working well now everything should be easier in terms of development lead time. As well as engine, because the freeze is not really a freeze but a dance to get around regulation. As Kimi always says. If you want to know the order of performance, just wait and see. Not kill ourselves waiting! :)



#4017 Hayden1

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:16

From Kimi Raikkonen -- 

"Making predictions has never been my habit," said Raikkonen, "and this year there is even more reason not to.

"We are heading Down Under with brand new cars and I reckon it is wide open and anything can happen. In Maranello, we have worked hard and the F14 T seems to be a good car, but the track will tell who is quickest.

"When we start running to see where we are, we will at least have some data to give us a starting point."



#4018 santababy

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:29

From Kimi Raikkonen -- 
"Making predictions has never been my habit," said Raikkonen, "and this year there is even more reason not to.
"We are heading Down Under with brand new cars and I reckon it is wide open and anything can happen. In Maranello, we have worked hard and the F14 T seems to be a good car, but the track will tell who is quickest.
"When we start running to see where we are, we will at least have some data to give us a starting point."


Thanks for this Hayden1.

#4019 SpaMaster

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:46

The criticism is either warranted at the moment or it isn't. Which one is it?

I'd say its warranted. Starting the season off well is important. Its *very hard* to claw back a large performance deficit later on and fight for the title. I suppose its not a big deal if you'd be happy with 3rd place at the end of the year, but some of us have loftier ambitions.

Non-sense. Drop that condescending attitude.

 

It does not have to be 'full on' or 'don't care'. It could be in between.

 



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 13:14

This thread is just fantastic. No matter if it's 1sr & 2nd, 8th & 11th or 19th & 22nd next week it will be as hillarious as ever next week.


Edited by rodlamas, 09 March 2014 - 17:29.


#4021 Pyrone89

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 13:47

How I wish Ross Brawn came out of retirement to get Ferrari back up on its feet. Imagine a combination of Ross, Kimi and Alonso in one team! Dream team if there ever was one. Stefano is the weak link and the buck does stop there. If ferrari fails to deliver the best car on the grid, the man should get the axe. 

 

Best car on the grid and nothing else. Enough excuses, enough promises, best or nothing please. 

Pretty obvious. Dominicalli was in charge of PR and sponsorship during the Schumacher years. How does such a guy get to run the whole team instead of someone from the actual racing branche (like Brawn)?

Let's face it, this shit started after Todt left. After 2008 we have never been a sure pick for a win.


Edited by Pyrone89, 09 March 2014 - 13:48.


#4022 Gorma

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 13:51

Pretty obvious. Dominicalli was in charge of PR and sponsorship during the Schumacher years. How does such a guy get to run the whole team instead of someone from the actual racing branche (like Brawn)?

Let's face it, this shit started after Todt left. After 2008 we have never been a sure pick for a win.

Flavio Briatore was a Benetton (clothing company) representative before F1. 


Edited by Gorma, 09 March 2014 - 13:51.


#4023 Ferrari2183

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 14:25

Flavio Briatore was a Benetton (clothing company) representative before F1.

Rory Byrne was a chemist.

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 16:08

It's not warranted. Not at this stage to be more precise.

Unless you know how far back they are I would suggest a wait until the first race is complete at the very least.

Should the gap only be a couple of tenths I'm sure that more people than not will take that given the new regulations and the complicated nature of power units.

That said, I do think Ferrari are behind but I don't think it is the numbers being thrown around by the media. Will Buxton thinks that if Mercedes were to let loose they would lap the entire field twice. I mean seriously...

Buxton may well be true ..who knows..its a completely new ball game with the new engines..if Mercedes have indeed produced the bomb,their cars will indeed be far quicker...thats what Vijay Malya thinks too.
Anyway just 4 days to go before FP1...lets see how much behind we really are.my guess is 3rd fastest at best,around 0.8 to a whole sec slower than Merc on one lap pace.

Edited by grunge, 09 March 2014 - 16:10.


#4025 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 16:23

Why is it so difficult to keep to the topic? 

There are plenty of threads about Ferrari management, their problems or Domenicali,  there are threads about the other cars,  please stop hijacking this thread. 



#4026 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 17:15

A number of posts have been removed, I strongly recommend that the forum rules are read and understood before commenting and ignoring the warnings and requests posted in this thread. 

 

We have given you a lot of leeway but it seems that this gets taken advantage of, this thread is for discussing the car and that is what it will now be limited to. There are plenty of threads about Ferrari management, their problems or Domenicali,  there are threads about the other cars, take that discussion there and this thread is for discussing the Ferrari F14 T. 



#4027 Seanspeed

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 19:11

Non-sense. Drop that condescending attitude.

It does not have to be 'full on' or 'don't care'. It could be in between.

There was no condescending attitude. Dont be so defensive just cuz I don't agree. You said that that this negativity is warranted but then said we should reserve it til later. I think if negativity is warranted than its fine to talk about it.

It's not warranted. Not at this stage to be more precise.
Unless you know how far back they are I would suggest a wait until the first race is complete at the very least.
Should the gap only be a couple of tenths I'm sure that more people than not will take that given the new regulations and the complicated nature of power units.
That said, I do think Ferrari are behind but I don't think it is the numbers being thrown around by the media. Will Buxton thinks that if Mercedes were to let loose they would lap the entire field twice. I mean seriously...

Well I disagree. We *know* Ferrari are behind two other teams already. I dont need to know exactly how far they are behind to the tenth to be extremely disappointed and be down on our chances this year. I dont think Ferrari would admit they were behind others if it was only a few tenths. The fact they know for certain suggests we are a good ways back. There's very little to be optimistic about in my opinion.

I really wish some of you could stop trying to tell others what they should think as well.

Edited by Seanspeed, 09 March 2014 - 19:19.


#4028 Ferrari2183

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 20:15

There was no condescending attitude. Dont be so defensive just cuz I don't agree. You said that that this negativity is warranted but then said we should reserve it til later. I think if negativity is warranted than its fine to talk about it.

Well I disagree. We *know* Ferrari are behind two other teams already. I dont need to know exactly how far they are behind to the tenth to be extremely disappointed and be down on our chances this year. I dont think Ferrari would admit they were behind others if it was only a few tenths. The fact they know for certain suggests we are a good ways back. There's very little to be optimistic about in my opinion.

I really wish some of you could stop trying to tell others what they should think as well.

Firstly I'm not telling others what to think... Far from it really. And secondly, we (you included) know nothing. Other teams admit they cannot get a read on Ferrari with all their equipment and brainpower and yet we have forumers who KNOW. Astonishing really.

The fact that you insist you know just makes it worse because like all of us you're just working off useless assumptions and speculation at this point.

Quick question, what if Ferrari are ahead or only a few tenths behind? What will you say then?

I have a feeling it will be along these lines... "I'm quite relieved I turned out to be wrong but let's face it you lot were just guessing because based in the information at the time it looked liked Ferrari were some ways off"

As SpaMaster said, there has to be some middle ground or the admission that our guesses can go either way.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 09 March 2014 - 20:21.


#4029 Trust

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 20:28

It's okay to be negative if you want it. But that doesn't mean you have to repeat that negativity every day and try convince everyone to think like you. Some want to be positive, some don't, in the end both groups will find it out in a couple days. My advice would be to stay cool and at least hope for something good. I really don't believe Ferrari is 1 second behind, but lets see what happens. Also, Australia isn't Bahrain, so a lot could change there.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 20:45

Australia is more fuel demanding than Bahrain, as Ted Kravitz said. So if Ferrari do suffer from high consumption, they could be worse off there. 

 

One week from now, everyone will be more clever. 



#4031 keiichi

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 21:12

So it has been reported around here that there would be some kind of upgrades to the car when we get to Melbourne. Is there any specific info about this? Floor, wings, something significant or not so much?



#4032 Seanspeed

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 21:28

Firstly I'm not telling others what to think... Far from it really. And secondly, we (you included) know nothing. Other teams admit they cannot get a read on Ferrari with all their equipment and brainpower and yet we have forumers who KNOW. Astonishing really.

The fact that you insist you know just makes it worse because like all of us you're just working off useless assumptions and speculation at this point.

Quick question, what if Ferrari are ahead or only a few tenths behind? What will you say then?

I have a feeling it will be along these lines... "I'm quite relieved I turned out to be wrong but let's face it you lot were just guessing because based in the information at the time it looked liked Ferrari were some ways off"

As SpaMaster said, there has to be some middle ground or the admission that our guesses can go either way.

We *know* that the team boss said that we're behind Mercedes and Williams. That is not up in the air or something to just *possibly* worry about. That's mostly a certainty at this stage. And logic tells me that they would only be so certain if they were well more than just a few tenths off. A few tenths is easily changeable with track dependency or whatnot, but it sounds like we're most likely a fair bit behind.

And yea, you've got it about right for what I'd say. Unless you're telling me I'm being irrational, then I don't think what I'm saying is so unreasonable or needs to be criticized so heavily.

Is it possible that everything turns out fine in Australia? Sure. Very few things are *absolute* certainties in this world.

Is it likely? Probably not. I don't know about you, but I tend to lean towards believing things that are likely. I think that's a fairly rational way of going about things. It doesn't stop me being a Ferrari fan. And as a result, I wont feel the least bit foolish if Ferrari turn out fine.

And you kind of are trying to tell people what they should think. "I would suggest blah blah" is basically a way of saying "You should blah blah".

It's okay to be negative if you want it. But that doesn't mean you have to repeat that negativity every day and try convince everyone to think like you. Some want to be positive, some don't, in the end both groups will find it out in a couple days. My advice would be to stay cool and at least hope for something good. I really don't believe Ferrari is 1 second behind, but lets see what happens. Also, Australia isn't Bahrain, so a lot could change there.

Its not me trying to convince everyone else to think like I do, though! Quite the opposite.

Edited by Seanspeed, 09 March 2014 - 21:31.


#4033 Ferrari2183

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:01

We *know* that the team boss said that we're behind Mercedes and Williams. That is not up in the air or something to just *possibly* worry about. That's mostly a certainty at this stage. And logic tells me that they would only be so certain if they were well more than just a few tenths off. A few tenths is easily changeable with track dependency or whatnot, but it sounds like we're most likely a fair bit behind.

And yea, you've got it about right for what I'd say. Unless you're telling me I'm being irrational, then I don't think what I'm saying is so unreasonable or needs to be criticized so heavily.

Is it possible that everything turns out fine in Australia? Sure. Very few things are *absolute* certainties in this world.

Is it likely? Probably not. I don't know about you, but I tend to lean towards believing things that are likely. I think that's a fairly rational way of going about things. It doesn't stop me being a Ferrari fan. And as a result, I wont feel the least bit foolish if Ferrari turn out fine.

And you kind of are trying to tell people what they should think. "I would suggest blah blah" is basically a way of saying "You should blah blah".

Its not me trying to convince everyone else to think like I do, though! Quite the opposite.

We also know the team boss said, in the very same interview, that they're not far behind and that it could change come Australia. AMuS reported this...

And I'm sorry you feel that I'm heavily criticising your thought process but you're also just guessing... You're just guessing the opposite way. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

If I really wanted to, I could scratch around for news and evidence that would support a claim of Ferrari being right up there as well. It's a pointless exercise based on testing but it could be done.

That said, I too feel that Ferrari are behind but like I said I don't think it is anywhere near the numbers being thrown around here. Like Kimi said, "The F14 T seems to be a good car, but the track will tell who is quickest."

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:35

That said, I too feel that Ferrari are behind but like I said I don't think it is anywhere near the numbers being thrown around here. Like Kimi said, "The F14 T seems to be a good car, but the track will tell who is quickest."

 

Not only that, but just being able to finish the first few races will be a big challenge in itself - and obviously, being quick is worth nothing if you can't get to the end of a race to collect the points.

 

With so many unknowns the teams face going into Melbourne and this season in general, there's little point in getting ahead of ourselves with any type of doom and gloom IMO, especially when considering the complexity of the new regulations and relatively little running thus far. The tires alone are likely a big question mark for most if not all the teams atm...and we've seen how dramatically they can affect the pecking order by themselves.


Edited by BJHF1, 09 March 2014 - 22:37.


#4035 caccamolle

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:39

Ferrari2183, Dude, you are stubborn ! The facts we have today, coupled with observations and comments from both Ferrari and other teams as well as outsiders of some reputation say that we are behind. Period. Most likely third. This is based upon the info we have today.

I am. It saying that therefore that is how it will go for the rest of the season. We will wait and see what Australia brings us. But today we are in no position to claim we are at the top or thereabout.

Edited by caccamolle, 09 March 2014 - 22:40.


#4036 917k

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:41

From Kimi Raikkonen -- 

"Making predictions has never been my habit," said Raikkonen, "and this year there is even more reason not to.

"We are heading Down Under with brand new cars and I reckon it is wide open and anything can happen. In Maranello, we have worked hard and the F14 T seems to be a good car, but the track will tell who is quickest.

"When we start running to see where we are, we will at least have some data to give us a starting point."

 

Somehow I doubt that Kimi says '' I reckon...''



#4037 charly0418

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:42

This thread is just fantastic. No matter if it's 1sr & 2nd, 8th & 11th or 19th & 22nd next week it will be as hillarious as ever next week.

 

This is the best thread on the forums no doubt. The McLaren one has too much wishfull thinking and PR like posts that drive me crazy, the Mercedes one lacks drama as everyone is a Hamilton fan. This is where its at, overdramatization, expectations, tons of fans from both drivers. Its like a soap opera you cant stop watching



#4038 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:44

Ferrari2183, Dude, you are stubborn ! The facts we have today, coupled with observations and comments from both Ferrari and other teams as well as outsiders of some reputation say that we are behind. Period. Most likely third. This is based upon the info we have today.

I am. It saying that therefore that is how it will go for the rest of the season. We will wait and see what Australia brings us. But today we are in no position to claim we are at the top or thereabout.

 

The main fact that we seefrom testing is that reliability is a huge factor and at the early races the reliable cars will bring home big points.  Ferrari as one of the most reliable of the top teams is in a great position to grab some of these points,  they just need to concentrate right now on getting both cars to the finish line.


Edited by halifaxf1fan, 10 March 2014 - 00:04.


#4039 charly0418

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:44

So it has been reported around here that there would be some kind of upgrades to the car when we get to Melbourne. Is there any specific info about this? Floor, wings, something significant or not so much?

 

every team will bring upgrades but I really doubt anything huge. We'll have to wait for Spain for that, I reckon we'll see some new noses on that GP



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:54

Ferrari2183, what Seanspeed is telling you, and I fully agree with him, is that there is no 100% knowledge of the pecking order but, after such tests, it only gives a rational person the expectation of a far behind F14T car.

You can guess anything you want. You can guess Chilton is gonna win 2014 tittle.

Guesses are not all the same, though, as you are implying them to be. Some are MUCH more likely than others, and as Seanspeed said, in the lack of absolute certainty, a wise person must go with the most likely thing.

Your guess of Ferrari not being that far is much more wishful thinking than cold analysis of what happened and was said during these last half dozen of weeks

If we turn out wrong about Ferrari's pace, we'll still have guessed it right based on what we had to create a guess about it all.

If you're playing poker and somebody goes "all-in" pre-flop and you, holding a pair of Aces, call it. It won't make your call wrong if you turn out losing the hand.

Here I'm gonna post my prediction for the Q3 that will take place in 5-6 days time(assuming it's dry):
Alonso(who I think is gonna be the fastest Ferrari driver)to be from 1 to 1,5s slower than pole time

This is a personal guess. If somebody predicts 6 tenths, I would say it is still reasonable based on the totality of the testings, but if somebody says 2 tenths down, then I can only say that's "a fan guess/wish", not a really reasonable one, albeit it's not impossible that to be the case

Edited by PIJAMAS, 09 March 2014 - 23:44.


#4041 Menace

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 23:42

Ferrari2183, what Seanspeed is telling you, and I fully agree with him, is that there is no 100% knowledge of the pecking order but, after such tests, it only gives a rational person the expectation of a far behind F14T car.

You can guess anything you want. You can guess Chilton is gonna win 2014 tittle.

Guesses are not all the same, though, as you are implying them to be. Some are MUCH more likely than others, and as Seanspeed said, in the lack of absolute certainty, a wise person must go with the most likely thing.

Your guess of Ferrari not being that far is much more wishful thinking than cold analysis of what happened and was said during these last half dozen of weeks

If we turn out wrong about Ferrari's pace, we'll still have guessed it right based on what we had to create a guess about it all.

If you're playing poker and somebody goes all pre-flop and you, holding a pair of Aces, call it. It won't make your call wrong if you turn out losing the hand.

Here I'm gonna post my prediction for the Q3 that will take place in 5-6 days time(assuming it's dry):
Alonso(who I think is gonna be the fastest Ferrari driver)to be from 1 to 1,5s slower than pole time

This is a personal guess. If somebody predicts 6 tenths, I would say it is still reasonable based on the totality of the testings, but if somebody says 2 tenths down, then I can only say that's "a fan guess/wish", not a really reasonable one, albeit it's not impossible that to be the case

 

 

I would say your 1-1.5sec off pole is just as absurd as saying they are few tents off.

 

I don't understand the need to shove once OPINIONS, and GUESSES, as somehow more analytic then anyone else's... unless of course you work for Ferrari and know for 100% sure exactly what they have done in testing so far, setups, engine mappings etc.

 

When I listen to Kimi, I don't get the impression Ferrari are anywhere close to 1 second behind the competition.  So if we are to take Ferrari personnel's press release of the situation as gospel,at the worst we are a little behind Mercedes, quite possibly on par or ahead of Williams and Mclaren.  Is Williams pace for real? If so then maybe we are indeed "currently" 3rd fastest, but in no way do I see the sky falling or view the championship as lost based on the limited testing done so far.

 

 

 

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#4042 caccamolle

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 01:44

The main fact that we seefrom testing is that reliability is a huge factor and at the early races the reliable cars will bring home big points.  Ferrari as one of the most reliable of the top teams is in a great position to grab some of these points,  they just need to concentrate right now on getting both cars to the finish line.

yes, sure, I do not contest that likely Ferrari is more favored to grab some points especially compared to Marussia or Katemaran.  I concur.

 

However, what we can also infer is that Mercedes or Williams are more likely to get MORE POINTS.  I find this type of logic so simple.  Cannot understand why people refuse to accept it.

 

Nobody is saying that Ferrari is doomed or that it will indeed suck at its first GP or whenever, at least NOT based upon the results of the tests.  What we know now ….. enough :)  We will know more after the first GP, doh ! doh !  doh !

 

PS:   the fact that I suspect SF will not win a title as long as SD is there is a whole other story but ooops cannot be discussed here! omg we get off topic.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:15

yes, sure, I do not contest that likely Ferrari is more favored to grab some points especially compared to Marussia or Katemaran.  I concur.

 

However, what we can also infer is that Mercedes or Williams are more likely to get MORE POINTS.  I find this type of logic so simple.  Cannot understand why people refuse to accept it.

 

Nobody is saying that Ferrari is doomed or that it will indeed suck at its first GP or whenever, at least NOT based upon the results of the tests.  What we know now ….. enough :)  We will know more after the first GP, doh ! doh !  doh !

 

PS:   the fact that I suspect SF will not win a title as long as SD is there is a whole other story but ooops cannot be discussed here! omg we get off topic.

 

Using such logic is rather pointless if you've followed winter testing/F1 for any amount of time though.

 

In terms of accurately judging the pecking order, pre-season testing has more often than not mislead onlookers (and even teams & other drivers) by a considerable amount I would venture to say. And going into the new season being over burden with various programs to carry out in testing, trying to go off what little data (which is often deluded by a lot of hearsay & assumptions) we have to go by from these test is jumping the gun a bit.

 

If Mercedes & Williams do happen to have a better car for the Melbourne circuit in the next couple of days, I'll be interested to see by just by how much in qualifying and if Massa will be able to keep Alonso behind him in the race. Because at Ferrari, it sure wasn't "likely"  :p



#4044 PoleMan

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:28

Ferrari2183, Dude, you are stubborn ! The facts we have today, coupled with observations and comments from both Ferrari and other teams as well as outsiders of some reputation say that we are behind. Period. Most likely third. This is based upon the info we have today.

I am. It saying that therefore that is how it will go for the rest of the season. We will wait and see what Australia brings us. But today we are in no position to claim we are at the top or thereabout.

But you just can't take your own advice and wait until Australia, can you? Jeez, it's just a few days to go! If the sky is really falling, it will come crashing down on those of us who've taken a wait and see approach. For those who've gone ahead and built an underground bunker because they were certain an asteroid would smash into Maranello, I promise to salute you for having the foresight to throw in the towel before the season even started. Until then, can we wait for practice, quali and the race? Pretty please?  :well:


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#4045 Gintonious

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 03:07

This thread will literally explode if one of the Ferraris wins this weekend.



#4046 kosmos

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 03:22

Anyone watched the horse power documentary?, it was very good. Check sky or dailymotion. It seems that we had a problem with the engine one day before the first testing day.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 03:24

I have to agree with Poleman.What else is there to do as a fan but wait and see what happens in the WHOLE SEASON?

 

I understand that some fans are afraid to get excited because they don't want to get disappointed  if Ferrari dont go fast.Breaking News to those doom and gloom expounding pessimists that probably don't get excited about anything ever unless they feel 100% safe; MOST OF US DON"T HAVE THAT FEAR OF FAILURE AND CAN DEAL WITH IT IF IT HAPPENS!! and there is no reason to doubt that Ferrari will not get better and better throughout the season.

 

I'm taking a Neutral wait and see approach but also have alot of faith that Ferrari has progressed in their ability to bring updates that make the car faster.and heck I'm excited to watch Alonso and Kimi either win or "outperform the car" if you know what I mean.



#4048 caccamolle

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 04:18

But you just can't take your own advice and wait until Australia, can you? Jeez, it's just a few days to go! If the sky is really falling, it will come crashing down on those of us who've taken a wait and see approach. For those who've gone ahead and built an underground bunker because they were certain an asteroid would smash into Maranello, I promise to salute you for having the foresight to throw in the towel before the season even started. Until then, can we wait for practice, quali and the race? Pretty please?  :well:

yes of course, at least as far as I am concerned I am waiting and excited about the first GP and the rest of the season.

 

I have not implied that the sky is falling btw.  I have only said that the F14T in the tests has not shown to be at the top and by inference I do not expect it to be at the top in the first GP.  That is simple inference.  Then when the GP comes we shall see as we all know there are a bunch of other variables that will come into play.



#4049 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:21

Thread continued here - http://forums.autosp...-f14-t-part-ii/