96 replies to this topic

[DrProzac]

Schumi actually drove against both Vettel and Alonso at their peaks.

 

What is the point of this thread, exactly? To compare Alonso and Vettel? Kubica said nothing noteworthy, and as Alonso's good friend and someone who hasn't been in F1 for ages and hasn't even driven against Vettel in his current form, is hardly unbiased and well-informed.

I think his opinion is worth much more than any armchair expert's and most journalist's.

 

 

Where did Kubica suggest Redbull and Vettel don't work very hard for their success? All Kubica meant was in races, Vettel's path to victory is a lot smoother and straight than Alonso, which is correct and accurate. 

Edited by DrProzac, 17 December 2013 - 18:23.

[rasul]

 

I think his opinion is worth much more than any armchair expert's and most journalist's.

 

Ahem. Right now he's actually pretty much an armchair expert when it comes to F1. He talks to people, hear rumors, watches races, forms his opinion -- the same way any armchair expert or journalist  does. Yes, he probably has a lot more information than us to form his opinion, but ultimately, it's just an opinion formed not on facts. He isn't an insider, and hasn't been for years.

Or are you saying that any driver who's been out of F1 for years can accurately assess what's going on in F1 right now? That any driver who's been out of F1 can tell how fast or slow driver X or Y is right now? How hard he works or doesn't? That's a very strange logic. Maybe we should ask Petrov or Heidfeld, or someone else. At least they wouldn't be biased.

 

By the way, that's what surprises me the most:

I agree, he didn't need to say that anyone of the top ten drivers in F1 would've achieved what Vettel has done, no matter if it's true or not. You shouldn't downplay anyones achievements. I'm quite surprised Kubica said anything like this.

Very strange and so unlike Kubica. 

[ASFA2011]

"Serioursly"? If you really think that a racing driver who had nothing to do with F1 for 3 years knows the inside workings of the teams and knows how exactly various drivers compare to each other and how much hard work their wins require, that's the most foolish thing I would read in a long time. He can only speculate. "Serioursly."

As an F1 fan I must admit that I know jack **** about the inside world of F1 , for all I know even the guy that works mopping the floors of the garage before the start working on their cars knows more about what happens inside of any given team then me so comparing my inside knowledge to that of a former F1 driver would be absolutely ridiculous , seriously ...

Edited by ASFA2011, 17 December 2013 - 19:20.

[rasul]

As an F1 fan I must admit that I know jack **** about the inside world of F1 , for all I know even the guy that works mopping the floors of the garage before the start working on their cars knows about me of what happens inside of any given team so comparing my inside knowledge to that of a former F1 driver would be absolutely ridiculous , seriously ...

Sure. But that wasn't my point at all. I'm sure former F1 drivers know hundreds times more about F1 than we do, but Kubica doesn't work for Red Bull; his opinion is pure speculation (and there's nothing wrong with it.) But it's just that: an opinion. I'm sorry but I can't take seriously a former F1 driver who says that "Any driver in the top ten of F1, in that situation, would be invincible" and that "Vettel is in a tunnel leading straight to victory, while Alonso is in a maze where you are trying to find the way at every turn." Seriously. That's some inside information.   Come on, he isn't even trying to make it sound like he's got some inside information. It's just an opinion; nothing more. I'm not actually discrediting his opinion; I partly agree with him, but I can't take his words as some inside info, considering that they're coming from the guy who hasn't raced in F1 for 3 years. 

Edited by rasul, 17 December 2013 - 19:47.

[RedOne]

I like this quote:


More in the article.

http://www.motorspor...decline-kubica/

I agree, Kubica's words always make a lot of sense. He had all the hallmarks of a multiple WDC, who knows how good he could have been today. Good article.

[ASFA2011]

Sure. But that wasn't my point at all. I'm sure former F1 drivers know hundreds times more about F1 than we do, but Kubica doesn't work for Red Bull; his opinion is pure speculation (and there's nothing wrong with it.) But it's just that: an opinion. I'm sorry but I can't take seriously a former F1 driver who says that "Any driver in the top ten of F1, in that situation, would be invincible" and that "Vettel is in a tunnel leading straight to victory, while Alonso is in a maze where you are trying to find the way at every turn." Seriously. That's some inside information.   Come on, he isn't even trying to make it sound like he's got some inside information. It's just an opinion; nothing more. I'm not actually discrediting his opinion; I partly agree with him, but I can't take his words as some inside info, considering that they're coming from the guy who hasn't raced in F1 for 3 years.

But then again it is obvious that is just his opinion , no one here have said otherwise , it is just his opinion not a fact so I don't see your point . Sure he hasn't race in F1 in 3 years but F1 hasn't changed much since and he knows how everything works internally and also has a very good idea of who is who when it comes to the drivers and their respective abilities and when it comes to opinions I would say that his opinion is a lot more accurate and full of knowledge than the average forumer/ armchair expert like let's say you or me

[rasul]

But then again it is obvious that is just his opinion , no one here have said otherwise , it is just his opinion not a fact so I don't see your point . Sure he hasn't race in F1 in 3 years but F1 hasn't changed much since and he knows how everything works internally and also has a very good idea of who is who when it comes to the drivers and their respective abilities and when it comes to opinions I would say that his opinion is a lot more accurate and full of knowledge than the average forumer/ armchair expert like let's say you or me

If you read the thread from the very beginning, you'll see that I was actually comparing his opinion to Webber's(or rather, I was asked why I value Webber's insights and see little value in Kubica's interview). Compared to Webber,  Kubica is certainly very ill-informed about the inner workings of Red Bull and current F1 in general. That was my point, but it was clearly lost in the discussion at some point.   

[tghik]

If you read the thread from the very beginning, you'll see that I was actually comparing his opinion to Webber's(or rather, I was asked why I value Webber's insights and see little value in Kubica's interview). Compared to Webber,  Kubica is certainly very ill-informed about the inner workings of Red Bull and current F1 in general. That was my point, but it was clearly lost in the discussion at some point.   

You can also say that Webber will not discredit Vettel and say he wasn't that good for the very simple reason, he lost to him, so if you say he is not that good you lower your own abilities as well. Do you think Webber would put his abilities in bad light ? of course not

[Fontainebleau]

I agree, Kubica's words always make a lot of sense. He had all the hallmarks of a multiple WDC, who knows how good he could have been today. Good article.

Very true. I wonder if those criticising the article have actually read it.

 

I have actually been quite impressed with the way he finds words and examples to make his points through so that everybody, regardless his/her level of knowledge of F1, understands him. He would be a great addition to any F1 broadcasting team - although I understand that he is too busy with rallying!

[rasul]

You can also say that Webber will not discredit Vettel and say he wasn't that good for the very simple reason, he lost to him, so if you say he is not that good you lower your own abilities as well. Do you think Webber would put his abilities in bad light ? of course not

Sure, I agree. But Webber is also a very good friend of Alonso, so I'd say it pretty much evens out. . Regarding Webber's interview: the part that actually interested me the most wasn't Vettel&Alonso comparison, but how Lewis compares to them(in Webber's opinion) and Webber's insight into Vettel's strengths. It's always interesting to read stuff like that. 

[Romulan]

I want to congratulate Vettel for wining four (4) WDCs in a row.  The best driver in Formula 1 for four years running.  "I think Vettel is in a state of grace." - Kubica 

[ebc]

 I think drivers have convinced themselves that Vettels success is down to the car, it will help them cope with their own lack of success.  What can I do when he has a car that good?  with Alonso it is easier to say he is the best because he is not winning and if even Alonso can't win then it is easier to accept your own lack of success.

 

When Kubica said that any of the top 10 could do what Vettel has done then he lost a little bit of credibility there, if he had said Hamilton and Alonso could do the same then fair enough but anyone in the top 10? that is rubbish and he knows it.  But it is easier for him and others to accept that it is the car and not the driver, that way they can still believe they are the best or one of the best, but if it is Vettel then it makes everyone else look bad. 

 

The truth is that great drivers need great cars and vice versa it is how F1 has always worked, just like Messi needs to be at a club like Barca to achieve the greatest prizes  drivers like Vettel need to be in teams like RedBull to win titles.  I think only Alonso would have won 4 titles at RedBull and even then it is no certainty, it would be nice if drivers gave Vettel his due rather than try and undermine him all the time.  You do not reach the top of an elite sport like F1 without being top class, to stay there for 4 consecutive years is extraordinary and has only been done 3 times in history so to say any of the top 10 could do it is a cheap shot by Kubica.

[rmpugh]

Well, if Kubica has the same level of insight as you or I because he has not been driving in F1 for 3 years, then I must know a hell of a lot more about F1 and Vettel's performances than Niki Lauda who hasn't driven an F1 car for decades!! What the hell does the biased Austrian know about F1? When he said Vettel is as good as Senna, he probably can't even remember what an F1 car looks like, let alone able to form an opinion on drivers, the senile old sod!!

[apoka]

I think what Kubica wants to say is that if you are a great driver (top 10) and have a great team and success, then your confidence and performance level increases and makes you very hard to beat. I don't think he wants to express that any of the top 10 drivers could do exactly what Vettel did. At least that's my reading between the lines with a bit of knowledge about Kubica.

Edited by apoka, 17 December 2013 - 21:53.

[rasul]

Well, if Kubica has the same level of insight as you or I because he has not been driving in F1 for 3 years, then I must know a hell of a lot more about F1 and Vettel's performances than Niki Lauda who hasn't driven an F1 car for decades!! What the hell does the biased Austrian know about F1? When he said Vettel is as good as Senna, he probably can't even remember what an F1 car looks like, let alone able to form an opinion on drivers, the senile old sod!!

Oh for crying out loud. People don't even bother to read these days.    I never said that he has "the same level of insight as you and me." All I said that in certain matters "he's as much of a spectator as you and me, and his opinion can hardly hold the same value as Webber's, who actually knows a thing or two about what's going on at Red Bull and how much work it takes(or doesn't),"  i.e. that Kubica is speculating -- like you and me. He isn't someone from inside. By the way, Niki Lauda is a very bad example. The last time I checked, he was non-executive chairman of the Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team who is always in the paddock, on every weekend. And he'll certainly would know more on current F1  than Kubica, who's been out of F1 for 3 years,

I'm done clarifying myself for people who don't even bother to read properly.

Edited by rasul, 17 December 2013 - 21:54.

[garoidb]

 I think drivers have convinced themselves that Vettels success is down to the car, it will help them cope with their own lack of success.  What can I do when he has a car that good?  with Alonso it is easier to say he is the best because he is not winning and if even Alonso can't win then it is easier to accept your own lack of success.

 

When Kubica said that any of the top 10 could do what Vettel has done then he lost a little bit of credibility there, if he had said Hamilton and Alonso could do the same then fair enough but anyone in the top 10? that is rubbish and he knows it.  But it is easier for him and others to accept that it is the car and not the driver, that way they can still believe they are the best or one of the best, but if it is Vettel then it makes everyone else look bad. 

 

The truth is that great drivers need great cars and vice versa it is how F1 has always worked, just like Messi needs to be at a club like Barca to achieve the greatest prizes  drivers like Vettel need to be in teams like RedBull to win titles.  I think only Alonso would have won 4 titles at RedBull and even then it is no certainty, it would be nice if drivers gave Vettel his due rather than try and undermine him all the time.  You do not reach the top of an elite sport like F1 without being top class, to stay there for 4 consecutive years is extraordinary and has only been done 3 times in history so to say any of the top 10 could do it is a cheap shot by Kubica.

 

To be fair, it was no certainty for Vettel either. Two of the four titles came down to nail biting deciders that could have gone either way. 

 

That is not to disrespect Vettel. He is a great, that is for sure.

[as65p]

And he'll certainly would know more on current F1  than Kubica, who's been out of F1 for 3 years,

 

A driver who raced 30 years ago vs. a driver who raced 3 years ago, and the former will "certainly" know more about judging current drivers? Really?

[rasul]

A driver who raced 30 years ago vs. a driver who raced 3 years ago, and the former will "certainly" know more about judging current drivers? Really?

Yes, really. What does it have to do with driving? We've been talking about the inside knowledge of inner workings of the teams/F1 in general. 

[doc83]

"Serioursly"? If you really think that a racing driver who had nothing to do with F1 for 3 years knows the inside workings of the teams and knows how exactly various drivers compare to each other and how much hard work their wins require, that's  the most foolish thing I would read in a long time. He can only speculate. "Serioursly." 

 

It’s clear that you had nothing to do with professional sport in your life.  If you had you really wouldn’t say things like that. Sorry.

1. Onboard footage is enough for him to distinguish which car is easier to drive (understeer, oversteer, cornering, braking, accelerating etc.)
2. He knows people from inside.
3. He was there when Vettel started his career (first in the same team and then raced against him).

 

You have 0 knowledge on that so stop talking nonsense and listen to what this guy has to say.

[as65p]

Yes, really. What does it have to do with driving? We've been talking about the inside knowledge of inner workings of the teams/F1 in general. 

 

No we haven't. Read Kubicas interview again (the topic of this thread, mind you).

[rasul]

It’s clear that you had nothing to do with professional sport in your life.  If you had you really wouldn’t say things like that. Sorry.

1. Onboard footage is enough for him to distinguish which car is easier to drive (understeer, oversteer, cornering, braking, accelerating etc.)
2. He knows people from inside.
3. He was there when Vettel started his career (first in the same team and then raced against him).

 

You have 0 knowledge on that so stop talking nonsense and listen to what this guy has to say.

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. No onboard footage would show Kubica that "Any driver in the top ten of F1, in that situation, would be invincible."  No onboard footage would show him that "In contrast, in the situation like Alonso where you are always pushing so hard to win, it's a constant struggle.  Put it this way -- Vettel is in a tunnel leading straight to victory, while Alonso is in a maze where you are trying to find the way at every turn."

It's an extremely immature and irresponsible assessment, and no amount of inside knowledge could reveal it to him. It sounds like something that could come out of Helmut Marko's mouth. I'm very disappointed in Kubica. He should've known better than to use such a gross oversimplification. Making it look easy is actually very, very hard in professional sport--it means a driver never underperforms in qualy or the race, always on top of his game, which shows incredible consistency and ability to always deliver when the pressure is always to deliver. I already replied in the regard of Kubica's assessment of a test driver Vettel. Sure, it has a lot of relevance now, 8 years later, and drivers never grow. And the rookie Vettel 2006=4xWDC Vettel 2013. Right.

I'm sorry, but no. Such assessments can't be and shouldn't be taken seriously. It's just a speculation; nothing else.  If you really think an ex-driver can accurately assess how much hard work goes into someone's win(or doesn't), you're the one talking nonsense. 

I'm done on the matter. 

[MetallurgicalHedonist]

I never understood those "Webber references" to prove that it is not only the car... or that otherwise Webber would've always been runner-up or what not...

 

Coulthard was never in real contention of the WDC in 1998, 1999, 2000. From that point of view the McLarens of those years were not THAT good.

 

Patrese was only a feeeew points ahead of the third- or fourth-placed driver in the championship standings (1992). From that point of view the FW14B was not THAT a monster of a car. Or, in that same year, someone else (not sitting in a FW14B) started more often from one of the first three starting positions than Patrese. From that point of view the FW14B was probably not BY FAR the fastest car.

 

No, the truth is: the Bulls, McLarens and Williams of those years still were, regardless of the comparably "poor" results of "drivers like" Webber, Coulthard and Patrese, the best cars to have.

 

Why don't people get that?

 

[edit: (not sitting in a FW14B)]

[George Costanza]

Schumi actually drove against both Vettel and Alonso at their peaks.

 

What is the point of this thread, exactly? To compare Alonso and Vettel? Kubica said nothing noteworthy, and as Alonso's good friend and someone who hasn't been in F1 for ages and hasn't even driven against Vettel in his current form, is hardly unbiased and well-informed.

 

 

 

Seb's peak is likely yet to come. And Fernando's peak years, ok, I agree there... 2006 and 2012.  But I don't believe they would beat Schu at his peak.

[barni]

reading that i think some people don`t remember 2009 and the way button demolished the field at the beginning of the season.

so, there is at least one another driver, besides alo and ham, that can dominate, and he only finished 9th this year. so kubica is not that far from the truth.

 

as for webber`s opinion, remember that the best driver in the world by alex wurz was rosberg (finished 7th, not far behind ham, previously even better than schumi), so if we add kimi to the tally we`ll have 6 drivers, including vettel, and the others, this year`s top ten, were clear number 2 drivers in their teams (look at kimi-romain situation at the end of the season and the sudden improvement of performance of the latter one).

and hulk is ... hulk is 10th. maybe hulk is like buton before 2009 and also able to dominate?

[JSDSKI]

"Serioursly"? If you really think that a racing driver who had nothing to do with F1 for 3 years knows the inside workings of the teams and knows how exactly various drivers compare to each other and how much hard work their wins require, that's  the most foolish thing I would read in a long time. He can only speculate. "Serioursly." 

 

Might be surprised at how much drivers and team members gossip about the inner workings of teams, vendors, politics, other team staff, drivers, and money, money. money. 

 

I'm certain Kubica has seen live data feeds from every current top driver's laps in F1.  As an exceptional talent and an excellent test and reserve driver - he'll know what the data means.  He'll be able to tell who is fast  - where, when, how and why.  He'll have insight into things about racing, F1, and race driving that you and I will never know in a very real personal sense.  We may learn about F1 intellectually and rationally - but Kubica's lived it since he was a kid competing against the likes of Alonso (and others) in karts.  And therein is a world of experiential difference and understanding. 

 

We may speculate.  Kubica knows.  

Edited by JSDSKI, 18 December 2013 - 00:22.

[sennafan24]

Seb's peak is likely yet to come. And Fernando's peak years, ok, I agree there... 2006 and 2012.  But I don't believe they would beat Schu at his peak.

I think Alonso and Schumi are close on pure driver talent and ability, but Schumi is much better at getting a team motivated and making sure all things go his way. When you speak to people who worked with Schumi you understand what a team player he was, he valued everyone from the bottom to the top. Lovely bloke, who knew how to treat his co-workers, even if he did come across as smug to his fellow drivers.

 

I will have to rate to see how good Seb becomes in later years to compare him to Schumacher. Not much is really known about Seb as a human being to be honest, other than he is quite dedicated, can be ruthless, and comes across as quite amicable. I would not be shocked if he was a team player in the mold of Schumi.

 

This is something people sometimes forget, its not all about pure driver talent, you have to be a good team player.

Edited by sennafan24, 18 December 2013 - 00:33.

[JSDSKI]

Considering that there are 5 WDC's in the current list of top ten drivers - I'm sure they would all feel pretty invincible and happy to have been driving the RBC's of the past four or five years.  Would they have won 4 in a row?  Likely not.  But, they certainly would have won a lot of races, probably a WDC or two, and certainly would be boiling over with confidence. 

[HP]

Yep, the Red Bull was the best car for most of the season. Vettel and Alonso made their best given their equipment. That's what I'd expect from multiple WDC's.

 

If the situation had be reverse, it wouldn't have changed a thing that both drivers are at the top of their game. Had Vettel been in the maze then so be it.

 

There is nothing that entitles a driver to have the best car for their entire career.

 

I don't think either driver wants and/or need "what a pity" comments. Most likely we will never see Alonso and Vettel in the same team at the same time, Even if that ever happens it will not be that straightforward, first of all, because Alonso is soon over the zenith of his career. Secondly, here on this BB we are used to analyze, or better said excuse, why driver A had the better run than driver B.

 

Even folks like Kubica can't see inside a fellow racer. While he might be a good friend of Alonso, what his relationship and knowledge of Vettel?

 

Besides the article referred to started of with the state of Massa..

 

There is one thing that I find highly interesting. Alonso, Kubica and Webber didn't they had all the same manager? Is there a pot to be stirred?

Edited by HP, 18 December 2013 - 00:47.

[bourbon]

I agree with Kubica.  Alonso and Ferrari are in a maze, and it is apparently full of haze, leaving them in a daze as they try to find the way at every turn.  I suppose that is why Luca and Dom have called on Kimi - to lead them to the tunnel.   Wise move. 

[as65p]

to lead them to the tunnel.   Wise move. 

 

Sure?

Edited by as65p, 18 December 2013 - 01:05.

[motoman2100]

I think what Kubica wants to say is that if you are a great driver (top 10) and have a great team and success, then your confidence and performance level increases and makes you very hard to beat. I don't think he wants to express that any of the top 10 drivers could do exactly what Vettel did. At least that's my reading between the lines with a bit of knowledge about Kubica.

 

I haven't posted on here forever. But this topic is way to hot to miss out on. Read that bit of bold from apoka's post. I think language is abit at fault here because he's not meaning to come off as literal as most of the people on here are making him out to be. The whole part about being in a state of 'grace' or whatever is simply Kubica pointing out that everything is clicking for Red Bull. Even when it doesn't click they seem to figure it out pretty quickly. That is what is allowing Vettel to go out there and toe that line of being super fast so well. He has the confidence in the car, the engineers everything. This faith/confidence allows him to transcend his ability and kill it week in week out. Having such a great car/team does that to great drivers.

[ASFA2011]

I think Rasul post were plain ridiculous but this one ^ top it off ( post # 3 above mine )

Edited by ASFA2011, 18 December 2013 - 01:12.

[Knot]

I always struggle to understand why do we need a thread after a single quote or an interview.

 

Why not? It's not like posting new threads costs a lot of money.

 

Posting and reading of such threads is entirely voluntary.

 

If you don't like it, don't comment on it and move on, instead of trying to edit the thoughts of others.

[as65p]

Why not? It's not like posting new threads costs a lot of money.

 

But you got to think of the climate change. Can put my finger on why exactly, but  nowadays that always seems to a be a valid argument, so...

 

[Romulan]

 I think drivers have convinced themselves that Vettels success is down to the car, it will help them cope with their own lack of success.  What can I do when he has a car that good?  with Alonso it is easier to say he is the best because he is not winning and if even Alonso can't win then it is easier to accept your own lack of success.

 

When Kubica said that any of the top 10 could do what Vettel has done then he lost a little bit of credibility there, if he had said Hamilton and Alonso could do the same then fair enough but anyone in the top 10? that is rubbish and he knows it.  But it is easier for him and others to accept that it is the car and not the driver, that way they can still believe they are the best or one of the best, but if it is Vettel then it makes everyone else look bad. 

 

The truth is that great drivers need great cars and vice versa it is how F1 has always worked, just like Messi needs to be at a club like Barca to achieve the greatest prizes  drivers like Vettel need to be in teams like RedBull to win titles.  I think only Alonso would have won 4 titles at RedBull and even then it is no certainty, it would be nice if drivers gave Vettel his due rather than try and undermine him all the time.  You do not reach the top of an elite sport like F1 without being top class, to stay there for 4 consecutive years is extraordinary and has only been done 3 times in history so to say any of the top 10 could do it is a cheap shot by Kubica.

 

Red Bull did not win until after Vettel arrived.  The "top 10" comment was unnecessary from a man who no longer competes in Formula 1.  And, last but not least, we should always remind everyone that four consecutive WDCs should demand much respect.

 

Pantera Walk

 

You cry to weak friends that sympathize
Can you hear the violins playing your song?

 

Respect, walk, what did you say?
Respect, walk, are you talking to me?

[tghik]

It's amazing how Vettel was never recognized as the top driver by Hamilton Alonso Button Kubica, only Raikonen didn't say much on the matter, but he never cares much about anything except vodka and ice cream lol. Kubica even when Vettel was at BMW did already had a slight disrespectful image of his skills and said straight out that he was better than Vettel and his view has not changed even after years and 4 WDCs. Do they know something other than the Vettel's fans ?

Edited by tghik, 18 December 2013 - 01:56.

[InSearchOfThe]

I don't think Bob said anything we really didn't already know. It's very, very tough to be Alonso's teammate. And Vettel is in a team perfect for him to thrive.

People like to read between the lines too much.

[discover23]

Webber was crap after 2010 . He is not a good batometer. Redbull were concerned with bringing kimi in and destabilize the team's harmony. Additinally Redbull is a one driver show.. It has been for several years now..

[bourbon]

Sure?

 

  just trying to lighten the mood.  I think poor Kubica was taken way too seriously. 

 

Seb/RB9 were stellar and Alonso/Ferrari had a hard time, I think that was the gist of it.

[Gorma]

Red Bull did not win until after Vettel arrived.  The "top 10" comment was unnecessary from a man who no longer competes in Formula 1.  And, last but not least, we should always remind everyone that four consecutive WDCs should demand much respect.

 

Pantera Walk

 

You cry to weak friends that sympathize
Can you hear the violins playing your song?

 

Respect, walk, what did you say?
Respect, walk, are you talking to me?

Great song!

[as65p]

  just trying to lighten the mood.  I think poor Kubica was taken way too seriously. 

 

Seb/RB9 were stellar and Alonso/Ferrari had a hard time, I think that was the gist of it.

 

That's the spirit!

[LuckyStrike1]

I agree with Kubica.  Alonso and Ferrari are in a maze, and it is apparently full of haze, leaving them in a daze as they try to find the way at every turn.  I suppose that is why Luca and Dom have called on Kimi - to lead them to the tunnel.   Wise move. 

 

 

Beware of the light at the end of the tunnel. It could very well be a train wreck in waiting. 

[mjex]

Where did Kubica suggest Redbull and Vettel don't work very hard for their success? All Kubica meant was in races, Vettel's path to victory is a lot smoother and straight than Alonso, which is correct and accurate. 

 

Exactly, as a matter of fact he said recently: “Seb is doing a very good job and people should not complain. It is the result of hard work. When someone is doing such a good job you have to have big respect. I don’t sit there thinking that could be me. That would not be good. I look at what I’ve managed to do.” 

 

http://www.express.c...et-back-into-F1

[Group B]

Webber was crap after 2010 . He is not a good batometer. Redbull were concerned with bringing kimi in and destabilize the team's harmony. Additinally Redbull is a one driver show.. It has been for several years now..

 

What the hell is a batometer? Does is measure your similarity to Bruce Wayne?

[discover23]

What the hell is a batometer? Does is measure your similarity to Bruce Wayne?

Sort of .

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It'sa meter that measure how much crime there is in an area and the amount of Batman requried to fight it. LOL

Edited by discover23, 18 December 2013 - 14:14.

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It'sa meter that measure how much crime there is in an area and the amount of Batman requried to fight it. LOL

No it has to do with baseball bats, how many strikeouts Webber had lol

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"There is one thing that I find highly interesting. Alonso, Kubica and Webber didn't they had all the same manager?"

 

Nope. Kubica's manager in F1 was Daniele Morelli