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#1 luca

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:46

Hi everyone,

 

Baron entwistle was known for racing  TVR'S but also raced at one time a mini   I wondered if anyone knows more about this.

 

Thanks.



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#2 Roy C

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:10

Do you mean Tommy Entwistle, who raced TVRs in the 1960's and beyond?

 

http://raceclassic.c...up-for-gold-cup

 

He flew Typhoons in WW2 and later ran Grantura Plastics (who made the bodies for TVR at the time).

Tommy built his own "TVR GT" racing car which he raced for many years.

 

I've never heard of him racing a Mini, but he had a long racing career, so who knows?



#3 David McKinney

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:36

Nor have I heard of him being a baron

#4 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 11:21

Google throws up this reference which refers to 'the great Baron Entwistle' autocrossing a Mini.



#5 David McKinney

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:23

... in 2011. Surely far too late for TVR Tommy

And the fact that Google doesn't have an entry for a Baron Entwistle suggests it's a nickname, or perhaps his given name

#6 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 13:04

Tommy was still active in 2010 when he brought his TVR GT to the Cholmondeley Pageant of Power

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#7 Vitesse2

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 13:15

An Ancestry search shows somebody who was apparently called 'Baron G Entwistle' in the Manchester phone book in 1973. Lived in Lymm. Possibly an antiques dealer. The indexing position suggests that Baron was actually his first name though.

 

Or perhaps one of those landless lordships of the manor you can buy? Maybe even an honorific foreign barony, like de Graffenried's? He was Swiss, but his title - which he inherited from his father - was Austro-Hungarian.



#8 RogerFrench

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 13:19

Anyone who Autocrossed in ANWCC events in the late 60s, before the Players No6 championship came along, would have known of Baron Entwistle's TVR 1800, which was very successful. He also had a 4wd TVR-based special.

He switched to a Mini for the No6 events I think. I don't know if there's a connection to Tommy.



#9 RogerFrench

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 13:25

An Ancestry search shows somebody who was apparently called 'Baron G Entwistle' in the Manchester phone book in 1973. Lived in Lymm. Possibly an antiques dealer. The indexing position suggests that Baron was actually his first name though.

 

Or perhaps one of those landless lordships of the manor you can buy? Maybe even an honorific foreign barony, like de Graffenried's? He was Swiss, but his title - which he inherited from his father - was Austro-Hungarian.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that was the name by which he entered, and we are in the right part of the world.



#10 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 13:34

... in 2011. Surely far too late for TVR Tommy


The article was written in 2011, but the author is reminiscing about events which happened at least 43 years previously.

#11 Haine Kane

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 13:40

Hello,

 

Exist a rapport between Baron ENTWISTLE and John ENTWISTLE bassist of the rock band : THE WHO ???



#12 Vitesse2

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 14:25

Hello,

 

Exist a rapport between Baron ENTWISTLE and John ENTWISTLE bassist of the rock band : THE WHO ???

Possible, but unlikely to be easy to prove, even if true. The name Entwistle is unusual in London, where John was born - but quite common in Lancashire. John's father was a musician and his name was Herbert, but without knowing his date and place of birth - which was probably between 1913 and 1915 - he would be very difficult to trace. I have found at least 10 Herbert Entwistles born in that period - mostly in Lancashire!

 

John and his parents feature on a family tree on Ancestry, but his father's birth date is just shown as 1914, place unknown.



#13 elansprint72

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 14:55

There is a Chinese Entwistle in Last of the Summer Wine, played by Burt Kwouk who, as everyone knows, was born in Warrington, Lancashire.

 

Merry Christmas. :wave:



#14 ReWind

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 14:56

And then there is the following:

George Entwistle, whom we nicknamed Baron because with his size and beard, he looked just like the Norman barons we say on TV’s ‘Robin Hood.’ At least that is how and why I thought  we’d nicknamed him but he apparently he had an antiques shop in Stockport called Baron Entwistle’s Antiques and he ran a music business also known as Baron’s Musical Enterprises. Whether we had heard this or whether he was flattered by his nickname and decided to adopt it professionally, I don’t know.

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George "Baron" Entwistle (Art) brought the one piece of exotica to Hathershaw's motoring community.  He had a passion for Rally Cross, a sort of hybrid sport where competitors race around a circuit which is half surfaced and half loose stuff. His car was a...B...M...W.  The name is so common today trhat the shock this magic car engendered among us embryonic petrol heads is hard to communicate.  It was FOREIGN!  It was more than that it was GERMAN! (The "Don't let's be beastly to the BOSCH" message had passed schoolboys by.  Even those learning German.)  The British had got the Volkswagen production line going again after the war to try and get the German economy on the move toward recovery and not repeat the mistakes of the first world war. Bubble cars with familiar (too familiar?) names like Messerschmidt and Heinkel had started to be sold here in small numbers.  The BMW was  pretty in a fairly feminine way.  We didn't know what to make of it at all.  Another surprise, one day he turned up in an Austin 10, another pre war utilitarian black wart.  He had won it in a card game was the general rumour.

Source

 

Apparently no Baron G. Entwistle but George "Baron" Entwistle.



#15 Sharman

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 14:57

See also Ray Entwhistle, sadly killed in his Elite at Oulton



#16 bradbury west

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 21:34

[quote name="Roy C" post="6535282" timestamp="1387530631"]Do you mean Tommy Entwistle, who raced TVRs in the 1960's and beyond?
 
http://raceclassic.c...up-for-gold-cup
 
He flew Typhoons in WW2 and later ran Grantura Plastics (who made the bodies for TVR at the time).
Tommy built his own "TVR GT" racing car /quote]
That may well have been the mk 1 TVR with a v lightweight body, IIRC, and running on 15" wobbly web wheels, around 1959,60
John may well be able to confirm this as he was there very closely in period.
Roger Lund

#17 Sharman

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:43

[quote name="Roy C" post="6535282" timestamp="1387530631"]Do you mean Tommy Entwistle, who raced TVRs in the 1960's and beyond?
 
http://raceclassic.c...up-for-gold-cup
 
He flew Typhoons in WW2 and later ran Grantura Plastics (who made the bodies for TVR at the time).
Tommy built his own "TVR GT" racing car /quote]
That may well have been the mk 1 TVR with a v lightweight body, IIRC, and running on 15" wobbly web wheels, around 1959,60
John may well be able to confirm this as he was there very closely in period.
Roger Lund

That was the works Mk 1 ostensibly owned by Averil Scott-Moncrieff, actually built by the works, presumably in Averil's name, so that Bunty (who was a director of TVR) could keep his fingers on some of the money he had invested in the company. 

I THEEEEEENK the chassis was 7/C/192, it was built by Phil McNeil who was works foreman at TVR, solely for racing. It was painted a peculiar shade of brown and was known colloquially as "Coffee Bean", its' lead driver, who was uncatchable in the car, was Colin Escott. As I mentioned on another thread, I had the choice (for my money) of a TVR or an Ace Bristol, stupidly I chose the TVR, which to drive at racing speeds, on or off the circuit, needed a conductor of far higher calibre than I could ever hope to be.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 09:16

Many thanks, John, I should have remembered the talented Mr Escott. I had forgotten the Scott-Moncrieff involvement. Very short wheelbases on those mk1s I recall made them twitchy. At least we post a bit more TVR/Escott history here for the benefit of others. Season's good wishes to you both
Roger

#19 Sharman

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:03

Thank you Roger, and the same compliments to you, Jean and your family

from Barbara & John



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#20 Morris S

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 15:26

I wonder if the pilot of TVR that regularly appeared at Ainsdale in the late 60's is the same driver, I'll post some shots up later. If so Liverpool Motor Club should have more details.



#21 bradbury west

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Posted 17 November 2020 - 11:21

Bump. Please see post 17.

See Rest and  Be Thankful thread re TVR, Tommy Entwistle and / or Colin Escott.

Roger Lund


Edited by bradbury west, 17 November 2020 - 11:22.


#22 Stephen W

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Posted 18 November 2020 - 08:15

I wonder if the pilot of TVR that regularly appeared at Ainsdale in the late 60's is the same driver, I'll post some shots up later. If so Liverpool Motor Club should have more details.

 

Geoff Ashworth is the man to contact.

 

https://www.liverpoo...out/contact-us/