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#101 ensign14

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 16:01

Presumably Stapp was nicknamed after Babe Ruth?   Although facially he resembles Oliver Hardy, who was also nicknamed Babe.


Edited by ensign14, 30 December 2013 - 16:09.


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#102 Philip Whiteman

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 17:15

I just wanted to say what a pleasure it is to see Doug posting such fascinating stuff again, and stimulating such happy debate



#103 fw07c

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 19:14

Doug
Since there is a photograth of Vandervell's Maserati 250F chassis 2513 is there a photograph of Vandervell's Lotus 18?



#104 Doug Nye

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 21:30

Yes - we do have a pic of the Lotus-Vanwall 18 somewhere - but it's not to hand at the moment.  I don't normally do requests, but...

 

DCN



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 23:16

Thanks in anticipation

 

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#106 tsrwright

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 00:27

23 is Billy Pearce riding a factory Fal (or: Falcar, Fal-Car) at the support race for the 1910 Grand Prize in Savannah (GA). A broken axle meant retirement.

 

Is the mechanic leaning or falling out?

 

Neither would have been of much help.



#107 Doug Nye

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 09:37

His left foot is braced securely against the stirrup provided for precisely this manouevre. He probably felt better with something to do, rather like my noisy rally navigating for a driver who knew the roads and the route perfectly well. Never mind, having something to do kept one's mind off the scary bits. I suspect that back at Savannah the FAL crew encountered scary bits in abundance...

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#108 tsrwright

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 10:43

... Never mind, having something to do kept one's mind off the scary bits ...
DCN

 

Doug, I understand; I have read about your driving and maybe the navigating was the same?

 

(Scource: Doug Nye file, Graham Howard Collection, Sydney)

 

:)



#109 Doug Nye

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 11:08

Oh my - blardy Aussies - stuffing our cricket team (quite rightly) not enough then? I think I do recall going for a blast around the lanes and forests here with Graham.  A long time ago though.  :wave:

 

Here are a few more snaps, just for New Year's Eve.

 

 

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DCN


Edited by Doug Nye, 31 December 2013 - 16:20.


#110 Roger Clark

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 17:18

That's a wonderful photo of the start of the 1953 British Grand Prix.  Hawthorn has made a terrible  start from the fort row.  i hope he doesn't try too hard in the opening laps to compensate...



#111 arttidesco

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 17:31

#19 McLaren (Trojan) M8F #72-02 Monza 4 Hours  25/4/76 Peter Hoffman at the wheel he shared that day with Norbert Dombrowski before they retired from a 7th place start with gearbox issues :up:

 

Wishing you a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year Doug :smoking:



#112 Tim Murray

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 17:50

The cycle-winged no 39 is the special MG TC of George Phillips, possibly in the 1950 Le Mans 24 Hours where he shared the driving with Eric Winterbottom.



#113 Tim Murray

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 18:05

The Indy roadster #29 is Fangio in the 1958 Race of Two Worlds at Monza.



#114 Louism

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 18:38

The cycle-winged no 39 is the special MG TC of George Phillips, possibly in the 1950 Le Mans 24 Hours where he shared the driving with Eric Winterbottom.

 

Yes, typical Le Mans fences of that period...

Next picture : before 1966 start, fanfare is playing for canadian competitor(s)...I realy miss the old pits !

On the right side of the picture between the track and the public enclosure is "l'allée de la victoire" taken by cars for the chequered flag ceremony...good old times.


Edited by Louism, 31 December 2013 - 18:39.


#115 alansart

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 19:05

Indy 1966, Eagle, Joe Leonard.

Never knew it was sponsored by Yamaha.



#116 Regazzoni

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 19:06

RE Yamaha: I was just saying the same.



#117 Doug Nye

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 22:04

Closing hours - might as well try these as well then:

 

 



First - haven't found the Vandervell Lotus 18 shot - though I have found Vandervell products Plate No 9062 which is a copy neg of a shot showing what looks like Jimmy Clark's FJ 18 posed alongside a brand-new Lotus 20 - yet it is captioned "Lotus 1 1/2 and 2 1/2-litres" - which it plainly is NOT.  However there is this document in the same file:
 
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Didn't we once run a shot of the Lotus 18 on test at Snetterton in TNF, or am I imagining it?  Oh yes, another request was for Alvis photos...nobody's perfect...  Pick the bones out of these.
 

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Happy New Year everyone.
 
DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 31 December 2013 - 22:18.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 22:22

What does someone with the surname Nye do on NYE ? Post more superb photos by the look of it.... Jim Hall in the 2E at Riverside I think - quick plug here Doug, your book with Richard Falconer on Chaparral is one of my favourite volumes ever, still regularly thumbed through. Seeing the cars at Goodwood in '97 and subsequent FOS was incredible - I never thought I'd see the day. Richard even photographed me in front of his Chaparral 2 at one of the Festivals.

Happy New Year everyone, JohnP :cool:



#119 nicanary

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 22:26

The first TT photo shows the 1929 race - the FWD Alvis is Leon Cushman's and he's followed by the Oats OM. I don 't recognise the exact spot. but presume it's part of the Bradshaws Brae complex. The second TT shot is,I think, the 1930 race, and again it's Cushman's Alvis. The setting is the hairpin in Dundonald, now the site of "The Elk" roadhouse.

 

(I drive much of the old course on a daily basis - I doubt that many of the locals realise what they're driving over. Although there is a suitable plaque in Newtownards' Conway Square, the older plaque and facsimile of a pit garage which were situated on the "straight" in Dundonald were vandalised by local yobs. Nobody seemed to care. Philistines.)



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#120 Slurp1955

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 22:30

Catholic philistines or Protestant philistines ? :D



#121 nicanary

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 22:40

Catholic philistines or Protestant philistines ? :D

Ah, the old Ulster joke. "But I'm Jewish!" "Would that be a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?"

 

The sad thing is, in that part of Dundonald, you couldn't wear a Celtic football shirt and leave the place in one piece. But enough of politics.......



#122 nicanary

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 22:51

Is the stylish lady with the Delahaye one of the 1936 team of Siko/Simone de Forest?



#123 Vitesse2

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 23:07

Is the stylish lady with the Delahaye one of the 1936 team of Siko/Simone de Forest?

It's actually the stylish and soon to be extremely rich Mme Lucy O'Reilly Schell. 1935, Delahaye #136, which she shared with her husband. They finished third. Another picture, probably taken at the same time, can be found on http://rallyemontecarlo1935.unblog.fr/ :)



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 23:14

The first TT photo shows the 1929 race - the FWD Alvis is Leon Cushman's and he's followed by the Oats OM. I don 't recognise the exact spot. but presume it's part of the Bradshaws Brae complex. The second TT shot is,I think, the 1930 race, and again it's Cushman's Alvis. The setting is the hairpin in Dundonald, now the site of "The Elk" roadhouse.
 
(I drive much of the old course on a daily basis - I doubt that many of the locals realise what they're driving over. Although there is a suitable plaque in Newtownards' Conway Square, the older plaque and facsimile of a pit garage which were situated on the "straight" in Dundonald were vandalised by local yobs. Nobody seemed to care. Philistines.)


Thanks nicanary and DCN...that shot at the hairpin reminded me of a similar shot from 1928 Le Mans

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(from K.R. Days Alvis book)

PS thanks for the humour :up:



#125 nicanary

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 23:15

It's actually the stylish and soon to be extremely rich Mme Lucy O'Reilly Schell. 1935, Delahaye #136, which she shared with her husband. They finished third. Another picture, probably taken at the same time, can be found on http://rallyemontecarlo1935.unblog.fr/ :)

That'll teach me for researching the wrong year.



#126 ensign14

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 23:27

Interesting that the triangle on the Alfa seems to be upside down.



#127 Catalina Park

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 23:28

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The first TT photo shows the 1929 race - the FWD Alvis is Leon Cushman's and he's followed by the Oats OM. I don 't recognise the exact spot. but presume it's part of the Bradshaws Brae complex. The second TT shot is,I think, the 1930 race, and again it's Cushman's Alvis. The setting is the hairpin in Dundonald, now the site of "The Elk" roadhouse.


The first shot, could it be the approach to the hairpin? The embankment and placing of the buildings looks that way on Google. (I'm only guessing!)
The Alvis seems to grabbing a lot of lock and the drivers body language like it is entering a hairpin.
Notice the beer barrel markers in both photos.


Edited by Catalina Park, 31 December 2013 - 23:33.


#128 nicanary

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 23:53

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The first shot, could it be the approach to the hairpin? The embankment and placing of the buildings looks that way on Google. (I'm only guessing!)
The Alvis seems to grabbing a lot of lock and the drivers body language like it is entering a hairpin.
Notice the beer barrel markers in both photos.

I think you're right. I've checked other photos from that year's race, and the tree and greenery match the situation. There are in fact bungalows up above the spectators which aren't visible in the puzzle photo - those properties are still there to this day. I think one bungalow is a dentist's surgery. The background looked more rural than I'd imagined it would be, which is why I was guessing Bradshaws, but of course in those days Dundonald would have been little more than a village.



#129 nicanary

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 00:02

Whilst I am on-line - Happy New Year to all forum members, wherever you are.



#130 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 00:34

Closing hours - might as well try these as well then:
 
 


First - haven't found the Vandervell Lotus 18 shot - though I have found Vandervell products Plate No 9062 which is a copy neg of a shot showing what looks like Jimmy Clark's FJ 18 posed alongside a brand-new Lotus 20 - yet it is captioned "Lotus 1 1/2 and 2 1/2-litres" - which it plainly is NOT.  However there is this document in the same file:
 
rzbt.jpg
 
Didn't we once run a shot of the Lotus 18 on test at Snetterton in TNF, or am I imagining it?  Oh yes, another request was for Alvis photos...nobody's perfect...  Pick the bones out of these.
 

sxzj.jpg
 

h5tu.jpg


 

 


 
99tc.jpg

 
0ip1.jpg
 
j7l4.jpg
 

hxkl.jpg
 

4zy5.jpg
 

89i9.jpg
 

zpkj.jpg
 
uhc4.jpg
 
All Photos Strictly Copyright or Via: The GP Library
 
Happy New Year everyone.
 
DCN

That is a wing! Though some end plates would be good. 45 years of hindsight! And really wide tyres too. Though the intake of the airbox appears to be taped over?

EDIT, I did try to get the late 60s US big sporty pic in this post. Everything but it seems!

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 01 January 2014 - 00:36.


#131 tsrwright

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 00:58

'Qtrs' in a 1960 technical document?

I haven't seen a quarter since primary school.

Did they weigh in pounds then convert?

And to what purpose?

#132 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 01:20

I think that I can get one right!  The last picture must be a young Jackie Stewart with Ken Tyrrell Clay Pigeon shooting.  Re. the Vanwall test weights.  At that date I wouldn't be surprised toe see a weigh scales using quarters.



#133 kayemod

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 01:28

Re. the Vanwall test weights.  At that date I wouldn't be surprised toe see a weigh scales using quarters.

 

Don't think I ever encountered quarters in a practical sense, but I suspect that in common with many others on here, I remember seeing them listed on the back covers of school exercise books. Troy ounces anyone?



#134 ChrisJson

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 02:20

I think that I can get one right!  The last picture must be a young Jackie Stewart with Ken Tyrrell Clay Pigeon shooting.

 

Not that young though! He´s wearing the team jacket from 1974.

 

Christer



#135 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 04:51

Well, with all of that hair he looks young!



#136 Tim Murray

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 06:01

The Porsche 917 is the winning Vic Elford / Gérard Larrousse car in the 1971 Sebring 12 Hours, passing the Manuel Quintana/John Belperche Shelby GT500.

 

The fourth photo shows the Marchese Lotario Rangoni Machiavelli posing with his Auto Avio Costruzione 815.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 08:51

  Re. the Vanwall test weights.  At that date I wouldn't be surprised toe see a weigh scales using quarters.


ISTR that the old steelyard platform scales had cwts, qtrs and lbs marked on the bar. I suppose it depends on what level of weight the scales were meant to accommodate. I recall using some with large gradations on, as we often had catch weight bags, as well as weighing 168lbs of cocoa and coffee beans, apart from other stuff. The old "West of England" sacks were often filled to 2cwt with grain, absolute buggers to handle.
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Posted 01 January 2014 - 09:44

Reminds me of a machinist I knew who was quote proud he could measure to 1/128" inch using a ruler. I got the impression he didn't use a micrometer much.

Note on the documents the typed weight has been converted back to pounds in pencil which is probably
what was wanted in the first place.

Edited by tsrwright, 01 January 2014 - 09:47.


#139 Vitesse2

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 10:13

The Brooklands picture appears to be the 1938 JCC 200 Miles.



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#140 Allan Lupton

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 10:21

Re. the Vanwall test weights.  At that date I wouldn't be surprised to see a weigh scales using quarters.

When I first took my 1938 Lea-Francis to work in June 1980 the weighbridge at the gate still printed its weight in tons, cwt., qr. - it was probably the same equipment that was installed new in the 1930s when the place was built. The Goodwood weighbridge (which I presume was used) must have been a finer job as it went down to lb.



#141 nicanary

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:11

Beautiful photos.

 

That is Caratsch.

Excuse me for being baffled, but I need an explanation. Why the high cockpit sides on the P3, and what has happened to the aeroscreen and its mount?



#142 Nick Savage

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:26

Picture no. 5 in the last of Doug's batches looks like the AutoAvia Construzione 815  in the foreground with an Alfa 412 in the background. Most unusual juxtaposition. The Alfa 412 was a 2-seater Touring-bodied beauty.

 

Happy New Year everyone !

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#143 Michael Ferner

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:32

That's not a "P3", and it's not Caracciola either. Giuseppe Campari at Pescara, 1931?

 

The Caratsch reference is to the pic with the snow chains, I presume.

 

Interesting that the triangle on the Alfa seems to be upside down.

 

Wasn't it always?


Edited by Michael Ferner, 01 January 2014 - 11:36.


#144 Vitesse2

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:51

Picture no. 5 in the last of Doug's batches looks like the AutoAvia Construzione 815  in the foreground with an Alfa 412 in the background. Most unusual juxtaposition. The Alfa 412 was a 2-seater Touring-bodied beauty.

 

Happy New Year everyone !

Nick

Interesting observation, Nick. Pictures of the 412 in Alfa Corse configuration are rarer than hen's teeth!

 

Presumably this was taken during training for the 1940 Brescia race. However, the 412 wasn't eligible for that, so they must have been using it as a training hack in order to save the 2500s for the race.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:55

That's not a "P3", and it's not Caracciola either. Giuseppe Campari at Pescara, 1931?

 

The Caratsch reference is to the pic with the snow chains, I presume.

 

 

Wasn't it always?

Crikey, i must be going blind. You're absolutely right, it's Campari at the Coppa Acerbo in '31. If that's a Monza, it looks very "monoposto" to my weak eyes.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:07

Crikey, i must be going blind. You're absolutely right, it's Campari at the Coppa Acerbo in '31. If that's a Monza, it looks very "monoposto" to my weak eyes.

No reason why it shouldn't be a monoposto - it wasn't a Formula race. Because in 1931 there wasn't a Formula. And it's the original Alfa bimotore - the tipo A, not a Monza. Two 6C1750 engines.


Edited by Vitesse2, 01 January 2014 - 12:08.


#147 Michael Ferner

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:07

That's probably because it is a Monposto Tipo A ;)



#148 Michael Ferner

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:14



No reason why it shouldn't be a monoposto - it wasn't a Formula race. Because in 1931 there wasn't a Formula. And it's the original Alfa bimotore - the tipo A, not a Monza. Two 6C1750 engines.

 

 Can't say I understand what you're saying. Were monoposti banned from competing under any formula at the time?

 



Excuse me for being baffled, but I need an explanation. Why the high cockpit sides on the P3, and what has happened to the aeroscreen and its mount?

 

Interesting question! I checked Peter Hull's Alfa monography, and there's a picture of the car at the same event with aeroscreen! :confused:



#149 Michael Ferner

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:21



Not a Monza, but a Tipo A heading for its only (?) victory.

 

In circuit racing, yes, but I believe the car won a number of sprints and hill climbs.

 

It's a bit confusing to call the car Bimotore, although it was "bimotore", of course. The straightforward nomenclature is Monoposto Tipo A, and Monoposto Tipo B for the "P3".



#150 nicanary

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:32

No reason why it shouldn't be a monoposto - it wasn't a Formula race. Because in 1931 there wasn't a Formula. And it's the original Alfa bimotore - the tipo A, not a Monza. Two 6C1750 engines.

Which explains the high seating position. Many thanks. BTW the aeroscreen I'm sure was there when the race started, but in DCN's photo it appears to be resting upside-down on the scuttle.