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[dau]

Maybe 10 place (or whatever) grid penalties should have to be applied in full. So, if you fall to the back of the grid and still have not fallen back the correct number of positions, the rest of the penalty carries over to the next race (or even the next season). So, if you volunteer to start from the pit lane, you've not had any of your penalty places applied, so the whole lot carries over to the next race.

Which is exactly what'll happen.

 

2014 F1 Sporting Regulations, article 28.4:

[...] If a grid place penalty is imposed, and the driver’s grid position is such that the full 

penalty cannot be applied, the remainder of the penalty will be applied at the driver’s 

next Event. However, no such remaining penalties will be carried forward for more than 

one Event. 

[pdac]

 

Which is exactly what'll happen.

 

2014 F1 Sporting Regulations, article 28.4:

[...] If a grid place penalty is imposed, and the driver’s grid position is such that the full 

penalty cannot be applied, the remainder of the penalty will be applied at the driver’s 

next Event. However, no such remaining penalties will be carried forward for more than 

one Event. 

 

 

Oh, I guess I should do more research before posting. Thanks for enlightening me.

[SlickMick]

This thread looks like it's dying a death here. A few snippets of wisdom for sure, but as far as I can tell no definitive answer, at least that I can understand. At the risk of making myself look daft, I'm going to try again with another (perhaps outlandish?) example : 

 

Race Weekend 8 :

Friday :  Component number 1 fails for the 6th time (10 places).

Saturday Morning : Components number 2 and 3 fail for the 6th time (5 plus 5 places).

Saturday Qualifying position > 12th

Grid position for race : 22nd (provided, miracle of miracles, nobody else has a penalty)

Carry over penalty : 10 places

 

Race weekend 9 :

Carried Over penalty 10 places 

Friday : Component Number 1 fails for the 7th time (10 places) and Component Number 2 fails for the 7th time (5 places)

Saturday morning : Component Number 4 fails for the 6th time (10 places) 

Saturday Qualifying position > 12th

Grid Position for race : 22nd (having taken the 10 place carry over penalty from Race weekend 8).

Carry over penalty :  25 places

 

Race weekend 10 :

Carried over penalty 25 places

Saturday Qualifying position > 1st

Grid Position for race : 22nd (having taken 21 of the 25 place carry over from Race weekend 9).

 

Race weekend 11 :

Carried over penalty 0 places 

 

Appreciate any response, especially those that can specifically highlight any errors in the above example. Sorry if you think I'm making a meal of this. 

[Exb]

On your race weekend 9, you have componant 4 failing for the 6th time as a 10 place penalty, I think it will be 5 places in that situation as they will already have taken the 10 place grid drop the previous week for the 1st time they required a 6th componant. Otherwise I think that's about right in the way I understand the rules.

I wonder at what point over a weekend a complete engine change which would require them to start from the pit lane can be done (ie if they change componant 1 on Friday for a 6th version (10 place), and then need to replace componants 2 and 3 on Saturday for a 6th part (5 + 5) thereby giving a 20 place grid penalty. Can they just change the rest of the componants (4, 5 and 6) for a 6th version and start from the pit lane instead of 20 places back or does the complete engine need changing in one go and doing the above would then result in a 35 place grid drop?)

[MustangSally]

This thread looks like it's dying a death here. A few snippets of wisdom for sure, but as far as I can tell no definitive answer, at least that I can understand.  Sorry if you think I'm making a meal of this. 

 

Not at all. 

 

It is confusing and won't be easily understood.  Even more so when computing the various drops and grid placings in the cases of multiple car failures. Not to mention farcical, if not quite unfair, when the grid drops are greater than the number of cars on the grid. A ten place penalty obviously hits front runners the hardest.

 

I have never thought penalising drivers - especially unequally for the same 'offence' - had any conceivable logic and only ruined a weekend for countless fans. (Or a whole championship, if you remember Kimi's season with the early Mercedes.) It's like having a goal disallowed in football because you've got a torn shirt.   

[SenorSjon]

Well, we all know how the FIA et all reacts to things only 90+% of the fans are against. So no change will be made to the rules. You just need the F1-app for € 50,- to see where everyone goes on the grid.

[chipmcdonald]

5th component + 7th race after 10 position penalty = 7 new engines - 10 + (5 positions * X number of engines > 6).

 

 

"Well, Hamilton can win the championship provided Sebastian's 6th engine doesn't last through 2 more races, but then if Lewis has to get a 10 place penalty that will nullify his advantage over Alonso who is on his 7th engine but will be starting only 5 positions down, and"...

 

I really don't want to be hearing all of this blather.   Ugly cars, low revving, smaller engines, weak sound, fuel restrictions and MATH, TOO???  Ahrghhh....