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[OV106]

Goodyear used to be the "the" tire of F1.  Hands down.  With Pirelli struggling, getting bad PR, should Goodyear step up and be #1 again? 

[George Costanza]

I'd love for them to be back.

[InSearchOfThe]

Didn't pirelli just sign a new 3 year deal?

There seems to be alotta presure being "the" F1 tire supplier. High risk, low reward venture.

[seahawk]

No, as the FIA controls the tires and tells the supplier what to do. As long at it is single source for the tires, it makes no sense to enter F1. Now if the tire war would be back....

[TT6]

Admit it, you just like the logo since it brings back memories of the old cars. The brand doesn't matter, the tyre specs do.

And most hated tyre war era too. All the yada yada of this track suits Bridgestone, or brand favors some teams.

Edited by TT6, 17 January 2014 - 06:23.

[spacekid]

No, as the FIA controls the tires and tells the supplier what to do. As long at it is single source for the tires, it makes no sense to enter F1. Now if the tire war would be back....

Gotta agree with this. As much as Paul Hembrey annoys me, Pirelli have been told what sort of tyres to make and then prevented from proper tests. We have had the tyre problems we gave had due to what I see as a wrong headed philosophy of what F1 should be doing and I'll thought out rules.

Actual competition of components in F1? That would be great fun, but ain't gonna happen.

[charly0418]

Meh, no point to discuss it now. I'd love the change but we're stuck with Pirelli until 2017 no matter what

[PayasYouRace]

It's not Goodyear themselves but the system that they ran under. They were usually in a tyre war, but as Michelin, Pirelli and the others pulled out, they settled on the same set of compounds because they had no competition.

 

Today it doesn't matter who the supplier is, it's the system you want back. If Goodyear replaced Pirelli now, unless the system changed they'd be producing similar tyres and subject to the same criticism, and then we'd all be wanting someone else back.

[Shiroo]

**** yeah, they should. 

[maverick69]

Defo the best sidewalls...... especially in yellow.

[seahawk]

If they built lasting and durable tires, they would be blamed for the boring racing, if they built degrading tires they are blamed for building bad tires. I honestly fail to see why Pirelli is willing to suppyl the tires under the circumstances. It might be interesting for a brand that needs to increase brand awareness on a globla scale, but for all well known tire makers it is a PR suicide.

[tifosiMac]

Goodyear used to be the "the" tire of F1.  Hands down.  With Pirelli struggling, getting bad PR, should Goodyear step up and be #1 again? 

I don't think Pirelli are struggling to make a good tyre. They are struggling to make a tyre that fits the demands of the governing body and until that changes, be it Goodyear, Bridgestone, Michellin, or Avon, they will all struggle IMO.

[Nonesuch]

What good would it do to have Goodyear in F1 if we'd still be stuck with a single supplier? Pirelli is making these terrible tyres because they're asked to, and for some reason they feel the need to expose their brand to such awkward PR.

 

What annoys me most about Pirelli is that Paul Hembrey character, who continuously talks about Pirelli being a 'competitor' in F1 while it is nothing more than a supplier of spec parts. Imagine the outcry if McLaren felt the need to have a similar presence in the press at every race due to their role in the standardized ECU, while openly speculating on which teams would benefit from its latest developments.

 

The longer Pirelli is in F1 as a supplier of spec tyres, the bigger my respect for Michelin becomes, as they had the good sense to refuse to participate in a single-supplier scheme.

[FerrariV12]

What good would it do to have Goodyear in F1 if we'd still be stuck with a single supplier? Pirelli is making these terrible tyres because they're asked to, and for some reason they feel the need to expose their brand to such awkward PR.

 

What annoys me most about Pirelli is that Paul Hembrey character, who continuously talks about Pirelli being a 'competitor' in F1 while it is nothing more than a supplier of spec parts. Imagine the outcry if McLaren felt the need to have a similar presence in the press at every race due to their role in the standardized ECU, while openly speculating on which teams would benefit from its latest developments.

 

The longer Pirelli is in F1 as a supplier of spec tyres, the bigger my respect for Michelin becomes, as they had the good sense to refuse to participate in a single-supplier scheme.

 

Pretty much word-for-word my feelings on the subject 

[FullThrottleF1]

As long as they are nothing like Pirellis.

[Buttoneer]

No, as the FIA controls the tires and tells the supplier what to do. As long at it is single source for the tires, it makes no sense to enter F1. Now if the tire war would be back....

Well, indeed.  Pirelli are making tyres to the specification requested.  If Good Year bravely took the devils dollar then they would be asked to make cheese tyres too and we'd all be complaining about them instead.

 

The biggest concern of the tyre manufacturers is that they would put a lot of money and effort into making the tyres but nobody would talk about them if there were no tyre war.  People are certainly talking about them, which means the name is getting out there, though perhaps the negativity they have been getting would put off anyone else joining.

[SonnyViceR]

Probably doesn't even matter if there are parties interested in joining the tire war supplying since FIA appears to be adamant to have the spec format as it gives them another artificial way to control the series via show methods.

 

Excellent point about the spec ECUs by Nonesuch.

[JHSingo]

Only if they can spell 'tyre' correctly.

 

[Disgrace]

Imagine the outcry if McLaren felt the need to have a similar presence in the press at every race due to their role in the standardized ECU, while openly speculating on which teams would benefit from its latest developments.

 

QFT.

[Red17]

Goodyear will not be back as long as the FIA keeps playing with tyres.

Grooved tyres were the final drop and Goodyear was quite vocal about it.

[Dunc]

I'd love an F1 where teams did their own deals with tyre manufacturers in the way they do with engines, coukd make for exciting times.

[SenorSjon]

Well, indeed.  Pirelli are making tyres to the specification requested.  If Good Year bravely took the devils dollar then they would be asked to make cheese tyres too and we'd all be complaining about them instead.

 

The biggest concern of the tyre manufacturers is that they would put a lot of money and effort into making the tyres but nobody would talk about them if there were no tyre war.  People are certainly talking about them, which means the name is getting out there, though perhaps the negativity they have been getting would put off anyone else joining.

I don't think Pirelli has the manufacturing proces under control. Especially at the start of 2012, if you got the 'golden set', you could go faster for longer, without a hard cliff, while if you had the 'chokotoff set', you better could go home. Some articles about it said something about the curing process of the tire and that it mattered where the tire had been stored in the plane to the race due to temperature differences in the cargo hold. I won't even start about the quality of the rain tire. Bridgestone, GoodYear or Michelin would have a field day against Pirelli-shod cars.

 

Same with the self-destructing tires. I've been following autosport since end eighties, but I've never seen such a bad performance of a tire. The only thing that remotely comes to mind is a Champcar race where the softs lasted 3 laps or so. But even then they didn't self-destruct.

 

@Dunc

Fia/Bernie is tightening their control of the class. See how the V6 is specified in the rules. They would hate to bring more variables into play they cannot control.

[bobthewrestler]

I don't think F1 should have just one tyre supplier, I'd prefer to see teams use whoever they like.

[Boing 2]

The FIA pissed off Goodyear with the grooves, they pissed off Michelin with Indianapolis and they're pissing off Pirelli by letting them take flak over their tyre demands. They are lucky they even have a recognisable brand on the grid this year.

[Lights]

It doesn't matter who supplies the tires, as the rules are so restricted. When Goodyear did supply at least they were able to make tires largely after how they wanted to make them. Pirelli is just a puppet.

[sheepgobba]

The FIA pissed off Goodyear with the grooves, they pissed off Michelin with Indianapolis and they're pissing off Pirelli by letting them take flak over their tyre demands. They are lucky they even have a recognisable brand on the grid this year.

Agreed with this. FIA have to take some of the blame with the recent tyre nonsense. 

[Gridfire]

I feel like the FIA should allow both Caterham and Marussia to go testing with Pirelli as early as they have working cars available this year, all paid for by Pirelli, for as long as they feel necessary. Result: better tyres for all the teams, and some free testing time for the backmarker teams to help them possibly get more competitive this year/for the duration of this rules package. 

I know it won't happen and teams like Williams and Sauber will complain how unfair it is, maybe quite rightly. But it'd be nice to have good tyres that behave the way they are intended to, and I can't see that happening without extensive testing on a 2014 car. It's not like Pirelli has something like the 2010 Toyota to test with this time. 

 

As for Goodyear, I can't see them having any better luck in F1 with the current state of testing bans and fickle rules.

[dau]

The FIA pissed off Goodyear with the grooves, they pissed off Michelin with Indianapolis and they're pissing off Pirelli by letting them take flak over their tyre demands. They are lucky they even have a recognisable brand on the grid this year.

The FIA pissed off Michelin with Indianapolis?

[V8 Fireworks]

The elite supercars of F1 teams Ferrari and McLaren are fitted with P Zero Corsas for maximum traction (of they course they only last 5000km, but the supercar buyer is not fussed about regular trips to the tyre shop).   Goodyears are better known as a budget long-lasting tyre (mostly lowly ultra-high performance for those muggles who line the fence at f1 races, not Extreme Performance category that some enthusiasts fit to Renault hatchbacks let alone the superior semi-slick!)  for lowly hot hatches.  Surely this suggests Pirelli is best?