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#1 BillPentelow

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:06

Honesty here please,

If this is a repeat thread i apologise.

 

 

Come on get it of your chest you will feel better!

 

I'll start the ball rolling, I did cheat once.

 

It was at Mallory park i think in 78 or 79. my 250 went kaput in practice.

 

So, being clever little buggers or brothers actually, i am going to blame this on my brother Bob.

 

He made me do it HONEST

 

We put the 250 pipes and fairing on the 350 , and went out on that.

 

The plan was not to make it look to easy, but have a slow first lap and gradually get through.

 

First straight they all buggered of and left me for dead.

 

That was the only time we cheated and a lesson was learned.

 

Come on lads its 30 40 years ago and nobodys going to ask for the trophy back.

 

Bill Pentelow



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#2 tonyed

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 12:15

I did ride a 347 Yamaha with yellow plates in a 351-500cc race (this I have already confessed to) but apart from that my halo never slipped (as far as I can remember).

 

I am not surprised the 350 didn't perform with the 250 pipes.



#3 BillPentelow

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 12:40

Probably wishful thinking on my , i mean my brothers part.  ;)



#4 Robin127

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 18:04

I will admit to being able to land in the saddle of my bike just as the flag dropped on the odd occasion :D



#5 suzrg500

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 19:28

Same as Tony really, the Fablon 'cheat' although I've never regarded it as such. When I got my 350D I thought right I've arrived, now let's get some results, but I found it very hard, as did a lot of riders to get 350 entries at Bemsee meetings as they were always massively over subscribed, so I migrated over to the 500 class with some yellow plates, and started to get a few good results then one meeting at Snett they had an on the spot engine measuring session after the first race and half the grid got chucked out including all the front runners except Dennis Casement who was given the win on his genuine 375 TZ750 cylinder bike. Everyone was up in arms and there were lots rows going on, they would end up with 15 bikes on the grid if it was not for the 'oversize' Yams, but just like the Bemsee of old they would not budge, apparently there had been rumblings from some of the other 500 riders that there was an unfair advantage running a 350 because converting to a 351/2 took the edge off the power, which was total rubbish in fact the opposite was true, Roger Keen always said it was simple to make stroked TZ go better than a standard bike due to the port timing change, mine certainly did, it would gain 2- 300 rpm by raising the barrel with 2 or 3 base gaskets to make up for the longer stroke and to get the compression and squish back to normal and then trimming a couple of mm off the piston skirts to compensate for the higher inlet port.



#6 JAW

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 23:00

Way back when there was a 250 learner limit, I attended an advanced riding course - to shorten the provisional licencing period.

 

I was riding a T 350 Suzuki which had a set of expansion chambers & 250 stickers fitted to it,

 

A snotty rich boy riding a brand spanking new RD 250 was willing to wager  money that his RD could whip the ol' Suzuki..

 

He was wrong..

 

&, so..

 

I took his money..

 

Was that cheating? 



#7 suzrg500

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 23:06

Nope that's business :clap:



#8 JAW

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 23:48

I currently have a roadbike Yamaha RDLC that I have slotted a tuned H2 750/3 unit into,

 

& it is fairly sprightly.. ..able to surprise & perhaps embarrass some otherwise unsuspecting would-be sporting types.. 

 

Is it cheating not to have '750' emblazoned on the sidecovers?



#9 Robin127

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 00:25

At Jehonville in 1995 I gridded up in the pre-1972 250 race on a 250 Ducati.  Next to me was an early RD250 fitted with a TZ250 engine, I couldn't believe it, there's bending the rules, cheating and just taking the piss.  The bloke took off from the line like a rocket and disappeared, I had a little chuckle half way through the race when I passed his broken down machine beside the track.



#10 JAW

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 01:10

No pre-race scrutineering there, then R127,

- or did he deliberately pull off to avoid post race protest-type issues? 



#11 Robin127

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:01

He was a local hotshot and the organisers turned a blind eye to it.  The following year he rode a pukka 350TZ in the correct class and walked away from everyone immediately after destroying the pre-1956 field on 500 Norton International....all while wearing green wellies.


Edited by Robin127, 18 January 2014 - 02:01.


#12 JAW

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:01

I recall that certain racers running Methanol burning machines..

 

..were not averse to spiking it with a splash ( or 3) of Nitro-methane, too..



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 02:41

A certain ex international rider, who shall remain nameless ( hint: first winning TZ700) on returning to the grid in the early 80's cooked up his RG250WD proddie. We rebuilt it with RM125 pistons, which were 2mm larger; Became a RG275WD



#14 JAW

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 03:40

Yeah, & down-under 'Proddie' racing was meant to be strictly showroom stock ( even if it was Wanganui Suzuki Centre S-S..),

 

Here's an infamous example of getting busted after taking the 'win'..

 

http://www.deejay51....x_hour_1974.htm

 

& these guys would put their petrol in the freezer to make their thirsty H2 run better, longer on a denser load..

 

http://www.deejay51....x_hour_1975.htm  ..don't know if that was actually 'cheating' though..



#15 BillPentelow

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 13:03

Oh forgot , i use to cheat at Mallory regularly on the start line,

 

The Starter , cant remember his name bald bloke about 50?  used to place his foot down on the top step just before he would drop the flag.

 

My signal to go! 

 

Only failed once , the starter saw me go and never dropped the flag, boy did i have a lead into Gerrards, looked behind at the hairpin NOT A SOUL?

 

They started without me and only gave me a minutes penalty , i think i finished third?

 

But is this cheating or gamesmanship ?

 

Perhaps Dave East can remember this one? pretty certain he was there?



#16 JAW

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:34

B-P, its only cheating if you get busted, then its an oops,

Unless you are Marquez..

 

Is this BMW test-ride a cheat?

 

Or karma, for their cheating?

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MGFuiqfI1ZU


Edited by JAW, 19 January 2014 - 06:39.


#17 BillPentelow

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 07:18

Beaker looks shocked!



#18 Borderraider

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:18

I ran various Suzuki, Kawasaki & Yamaha's in the unlimited Production class during the 80's & 90's

Cheating was rife, Gorilla large bore kits, air box mods, compression increase by removing layers of head gasket, cams etc etc 

Most of the Suzuki 1100's had work done by Leon Moss of L.E.D.A.R, it wasn't unusual to hear tales of 118bhp at the rear wheel after Leon had worked his magic. 

Lotus (Yes) tuned one of the uni-track GPZ1100 front runners bike, it was a missile but what they actually did???

I did have 2 FZR Yamaha engines blue printed by Pete Harrison...cheated no.



#19 mfd

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 13:33

Was Avgas considered a cheat?