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[ZionLH]

^ I hope that is just a suggestion and not actually gonna happen.

Well with how F1 rules are going on lately, it wouldn't be a surprise. I know they want to cut costs down but seriously .

[dau]

 

I didn't say they'd get them to the same temperature as tire blankets, but any heat they get in there gets the tire to full temp faster on the track. I looked it up; asphalt in the sun can be 60 degrees hotter than ambient temp. If one team with a sunny garage space goes out with tires at 140 degrees F and another team's are 80 degrees F since their garage gets no sun, the first car's tires will get to temp sooner and they'll gain time on the track. I think this is obvious, right? Even in Spec Miata racing racers strategize about tires being in the sun as it affects performance.

 

And the part about explaining it to the FIA is exactly my point: will this be policed and how?

 

 

That shouldn't be too hard. The regulation will probably not ban 'tyre warmers' but 'devices to heat tyres' or something similar. So that Pirelli rotisserie won't really fly and considering there's not really that many things in a pit box hot enough to be able to put significant heat in your tyres, teams would have a hard time explaining why their computers suddenly need a heatsink large enough to place a tyre on.

 

Putting them in the sun, sure, why not? That's not going to have that much of an impact, neither on performance nor costs  - at least for now, i heard Bernie won't start charging the teams for using solar energy until 2017 or so. Problem is, there really isn't that much space in the paddock to slowly cook like four sets of tyres per driver per team, so i can't see that method being widely adopted either.

 

Plus, with a spec tyre, you have Pirelli personnel tending to the tyres at every team anyway. Should be pretty challenging to use your tyre heating device without them noticing.

[Lee Nicolle]

V8 Supercar teams have no tyre warmers, and about the best they can do is put them in the sun.
 
I'll enjoy watching the drivers get them up to temp after a stop.

What will happen is as it should be. Far less tyre stops. One stop races instead of 3,4,5 stop debacles. Too me the whole object of the exercise.
And V8 Supercars do not resort to artificial means apart from Nascar like leaving them in the sun.

[Ricciardo2014]

What will happen is as it should be. Far less tyre stops. One stop races instead of 3,4,5 stop debacles. Too me the whole object of the exercise.
And V8 Supercars do not resort to artificial means apart from Nascar like leaving them in the sun.

 

Sorry, but I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not ?

I don't understand your comment ?

 

I've Marshalled at V8 Supercar events, and I can guarantee you they go to great lengths to place the tyres in the warmest place possible.

It's a no brainer really.

Places like Phillip Island where the temperature inside the garage can be as low as 8 or 9 degrees, yet the temp out the back can be 20 in the sun are a classic example.

[Murl]

Sorry, but I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not ?

I don't understand your comment ?

 

I've Marshalled at V8 Supercar events, and I can guarantee you they go to great lengths to place the tyres in the warmest place possible.

It's a no brainer really.

Places like Phillip Island where the temperature inside the garage can be as low as 8 or 9 degrees, yet the temp out the back can be 20 in the sun are a classic example.

 

 

And the drivers will still have the lion's share of the temperature gap to bridge.

 

Driver skill is a small percentage of the performance package. This rule change makes that percentage a little larger.

[chrcol]

This should be a good thing, remember usa 2 years ago?  drivers were coming out with ungrippy tyres after pits and it was great to watch.  It should also increase trye life as well.

[chunder27]

Have no problem wioth them baning tyre warmers, they should have done it decadeds ago like WRC teams did in the service areas.

 

Needless cost and just an excuse to spend money.

 

I watched the Superbikes at Silverstone last yera and the whole back of pitlane was a tyre warmer extravaganza, though I think they are  atad more necessary on bikes than cars, they are a touch pointless.

Surely, unless the tyre companies cant make tyres that warm up quickly, there is no harm in this?  If the only way you can get grip and if you dont warm theya re dangerous, that is taking an element of skill away from a talented and feel based driver too.

 

Typical money for nothing!!

[uffen]

If the ban goes through (and I hope it will) Pirelli will just alter the compouns formulation to compensate. They can't entirely compensate but it won't be as bad as some people imagine.

It will be the same for every driver and they're supposed to be "the best."

[PhilG]

All these folk that think its a good idea have never crashed on cold tyres... its a safety issue, end of.

 

The costs involved in going back to square one with the tyres, and all design related expemse that goes with it make it a stupid waste of money. 

 

Its hard enough to drive these things as it is , without adding difficulties.