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#1651 Treads

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 11:52

Clearly you were joking

 

However many SV fans are trying to argue SV has had more trouble than DR

I did not want them pushing that line in this case

 

The fault hit SV harder this time but hit both drivers

SV could have fought back up to the points (unlikely but possible)

but... he ran up an STRs %$#@ and nearly took out his team mate, so deserved his DNF

 

Whilst its true he has had more clear and obvious mechanical failures

DR has had the fuel debacle that messed up 2 races to varying degrees

As well as many similar but not terminal mechanical problems

 

Shouldn't this be in the SV vs DR thread? 

 

In any case, the pendulum swings both ways. Seb enjoyed a very long period with great reliability while his team mate seemingly has a KERS problem every race. Turnabout is fair play and all that. 



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#1652 krapmeister

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 11:54

Yeah - clearly I was joking.
 
I would assume they introduced some new tweak to overtake mode which went a little too far and freaked out and triggered a fail safe shut down


If this is what happened, then who actually is to blame for that failure/issue? IIRC they were taking some of the credit for the fairly rapid improvement Renault made earlier in the season as they provided personnel to help solve the issues they were having. RBR have come out after this weekend with some pretty strong words about Renault's performance 'not being acceptable' but didn't or doesn't RBR have input into the mapping etc?

#1653 windoesnot

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 12:10

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/114598

More whining from Horner, "It's not our business, it's not our responsibility. We're the end user and it's just frustrating that it's not where it needs to be at the moment."

Horner needs to look at what F1 is and what it has been and realise there's no guarantee of engine parity. It's part and parcel of the sport. He picked the 2014 engine supplier, now he has to live with it.

Bottom line, he has an engine which is apparently good enough for the team to get 2nd in the WDC, which is where they are now, about 50 points ahead of 3rd place Ferrari. It seems a little arrogant to me that he thinks they are so much, much better than everyone else that finishing 2nd instead of 1st must be an engine issue. 

Renault's engine certainly isn't markedly worse that that offered by Ferrari. To be honest it looks like it might be better, given Sauber's struggle with the Italian unit. 

For me it's a huge lack of class and general politeness to slate Renault this much. 

 

This irks me too, whatever happened to the saying 'You win together, you lose together'. In Red Bulls case its 'When we win its all on us, when we lose its all on Renault'. Sure they ain't got the best engine but publically slagging your supplier off isnt going to get you anywhere. I don't remember Williams moaning on and on like this when they went from a Honda to a Judd engine in 88 and won nothing with it, as opposed to having the best engine previously.



#1654 garagetinkerer

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:24

I read someone say that Vettel was on his last engine in another thread... and that was after Canadian GP... can someone confirm this? Scary shit... and if true, i guess it explains why RBR are livid.



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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:37

I read someone say that Vettel was on his last engine in another thread... and that was after Canadian GP... can someone confirm this? Scary shit... and if true, i guess it explains why RBR are livid.

 

He has one left.



#1656 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:55

 

For me it's a huge lack of class and general politeness to slate Renault this much. 

 

Renault are French.  The French talk directly when offering critiques.  Therefore they probably have not even noticed! :D

The English & Australian fans should probably not worry such things IMO, as we may be misreading the expectations inherent in the French culture:



#1657 paulogman

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 12:10

Ok. So this season red bull can't get the power unit, the fuel meter, and now the ecu to work.
What's going on?

#1658 GrumpyYoungMan

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 12:51

Ok. So this season red bull can't get the power unit, the fuel meter, and now the ecu to work.
What's going on?

Its like juggling, when one ball drops, they all fall...

 

Plus they have a new standard ECU which they all have to use this year but they had last year as a test year, maybe Red Bull and Renault didn't try testing it?


Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 03 July 2014 - 12:53.


#1659 Heisenberg

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 13:07

This irks me too, whatever happened to the saying 'You win together, you lose together'. In Red Bulls case its 'When we win its all on us, when we lose its all on Renault'. Sure they ain't got the best engine but publically slagging your supplier off isnt going to get you anywhere. I don't remember Williams moaning on and on like this when they went from a Honda to a Judd engine in 88 and won nothing with it, as opposed to having the best engine previously.

While I agree with you on a small degree (I wouldn't call it "slaying", it's more RB pushing Renault to fix the issues!), the current problems are pretty much all on  Renault's part! It's not like Red Bull made an awful car, because as we saw, the RB10 CAN be pretty fast! All of it's problems are because of the Renault PU.


Edited by Heisenberg, 03 July 2014 - 13:08.


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#1660 Treads

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 13:41

Renault are French.  The French talk directly when offering critiques.  Therefore they probably have not even noticed! :D

The English & Australian fans should probably not worry such things IMO, as we may be misreading the expectations inherent in the French culture:

 

So the French guys at Renault won't have their feelings hurt but this. Nonetheless it's damaging to them and their image in the UK and many other countries. Horner is a Brit, RB is a British team, so I judge their behaviour according to British cultural norms. 



#1661 ElDictatore

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 20:55

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