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[OSX]

He really is an idiot.

If he was an idiot F1 wouldn't be what it is today. With Bernie you need to be able to read between the lines. He opposed the engine switch so him calling the first test a farce – which it really wasn't that far from... – is just his way of telling his oppononents I told you so. And his point about fuel saving is a typically cheeky Bernie comment. One that actually has a point with the point not really being the point...

[icecream_man]

Well I'm with Lazy, I think he's an idiot, how was the test a farce ? Major teething problems are inevitable with such a massive rule change, how are they supposed to identify and rectify them if not through testing ? And as far as the new engines go, I'm all in favour of them, it's about time F1 got more up to date, the technology is fascinating, and as long as it spices things up a bit I'm not overly fussed how they sound

[SpaMaster]

he does have a point there.

Ecclestone is talking non-sense. Saving fuel is not to save fuel in F1. It is to aid development in the direction of efficient engines for car manufacturers and make it relevant for road car. Efficiency would be the name of the game in future for road cars. Can't believe he is blabbering this much.

 

[SpaMaster]

But there wont be any engine development. F1 becomes relevant to road cars when it allows development. This is why during the last era, with the engine freeze and the main area of development was aerodynamics, there was little to no relevance. What F1 has done now is installed a nifty hybrid powertrain that cant be developed and will again not be relevant beyond the initial research that went into it.

This just seems like one of those times where 'compromise' just results in a lose-lose situation for everybody. They want F1 to be relevant, but they also want to control costs by stopping teams from getting into a development race. This compromise achieves nothing. Its only exciting for me because of the 'new rules' changing things up.

Who said there won't be engine development? There is no freeze on engine development. Manufacturers are free to continuously develop their engines and introduce advanced versions each year.

 

[Miggeex]

I find it very funny how some people wants to disagree with Bernie in whatever he's saying. Even if it would mean changing their own opinion to opposite   He does have some good points in that but also some not so good points. 

 

And about that RB situation Bernie must be just excited. More viewers is the only thing he cares about like he should.

[mclarennut]

I wonder if Bernie aeroplane that goes from race to race runs on water, the man is two faced and should sell his share (for a back hander) in F1 and retire.

Edited by mclarennut, 01 February 2014 - 14:43.

[OSX]

Well I'm with Lazy, I think he's an idiot, how was the test a farce ? Major teething problems are inevitable with such a massive rule change, how are they supposed to identify and rectify them if not through testing ? And as far as the new engines go, I'm all in favour of them, it's about time F1 got more up to date, the technology is fascinating, and as long as it spices things up a bit I'm not overly fussed how they sound

Did you read my post? I do not think that the test was a farce. And personally I think the engine switch was a good thing. I even like the new sound.

[icecream_man]

Did you read my post? I do not think that the test was a farce. And personally I think the engine switch was a good thing. I even like the new sound.

oh ok sorry I clearly misunderstood !

[uffen]

No he doesn't. Fuel saving in F1 isn't actually about how much fuels the cars use in the races, it's about the development in the technology. F1 needs to stay relevant, and low-consumption engines are relevant, hence Honda is back.

"Honda is back."This means that Honda was there before. A few times in different guises, in fact. This means that it is Marketing, not the technology that attracts Honda (and the other manufacturers). Honda could develop and experiment with this new F1 technology a lot more inexpensively than through F1. They and the others are there to promote the brand. Relevancy is just an excuse (look at the market segmentation differences among Honda/Mercedes/Ferrari, for example).

 

You're right about the fuel saving not being related to track use. It is related to the peripherals: jumbo jets, transporters, fans getting to the races, etc.