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#101 senna da silva

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:26

Honda V10 sound horrible??????? :eek:

 

Yeah man rock on with the BS :mad:

 

I'm not joking, easily the worst of the V10's. Did you hear it?

 

 

If you continued to read on beyond what you quoted, it says "Which way this will go when engines are flat chat is anybody's guess." I'm all for new engines as long as they help with:

- faster laptimes

- faster laptimes

- faster laptimes

 

and this is what i stressed on in my post above.

 

Fair enough, but I wanted less aero and if that means slower lap times then fine. Personally I don't think an exhaust blown diffuser is cutting edge tech, at least these powerpacks are a step in the right direction, regardless of sound.



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#102 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 09:16

Did you hear the Honda V10? It was horrible and painful.

I'm sorry but not all engine sounds are created equal and not all V10's sounded good.

Lets at least give the new powerplants a chance, change is good, don't be afraid.

 

The 1989 one or the 2002 one?



#103 TecnoRacing

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:05

I suppose it depends what you find impressive I suppose, Do you feel the width or the quality.

 

The V8/10's never sounded that impressive to me because they were, to me, dinosaur tech turned up to max volume.

 

What's really irritating is people posting subjective opinion as fact, megaloud high pitch monotonous screams may impress you but not everybody.

 

Personally I think they are right, I think pretty much every aspect of the new regulations (bar double points) is exactly the right direction for F1 and the cars sound a lot more interesting.

 

 

Us poor stupid souls, who only respond to surface bombast

Alas, to be capable - like discerning and discriminating individuals such yourself - of decoding subtler pleasures...that is the ultimate goal! For the 'new' and complicated must always be better...



#104 Lazy

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:26

Us poor stupid souls, who only respond to surface bombast

Alas, to be capable - like discerning and discriminating individuals such yourself - of decoding subtler pleasures...that is the ultimate goal! For the 'new' and complicated must always be better...

As I was trying to make clear, it's a subjective judgement, each to their own.



#105 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 11:19

The V8/10's never sounded that impressive to me because they were, to me, dinosaur tech turned up to max volume.

 

 

Dinosaur tech?  Oh like the high revving screaming engines in Ferrari road cars & Lamborghini road cars.  The ones that make people excited and hearts race.

 

McLaren fanatics... yuck.   ;)   Turbo blah blah.  Optimised efficiency blah blah.  Only McLaren managed to build a supercar that leaves the prospective driver heading back to the Ferrari dealership after their lacklustre McLaren test drive.  If the prospective buyer wanted an optimised and efficient car they would buy a Golf... supercar buyers may in fact want maximum theatre, drama, general over-the-top silliness, and the emotional connection provided by a horse on a yellow background from a fine Italian workshop with historical architechure instead of a funny orange swosh from a place resembling a pharmaceuticals factory.  :well:


Edited by V8 Fireworks, 08 February 2014 - 11:23.


#106 senna da silva

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 12:45

The 1989 one or the 2002 one?

 

2002.



#107 Lazy

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 13:08

Dinosaur tech?  Oh like the high revving screaming engines in Ferrari road cars & Lamborghini road cars.  

Yes, exactly like those ones.

The ones that make people excited and hearts race.

 

 

Some people, probably the ones with gold medallions and silicon gf's.



#108 Skinnyguy

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 13:15

I do like being able to hear more stuff like tyres, but if we isolate the engine sound (not the intensity, the note) I think it´s a bit of a step backwards. Anyway not too concerned, I don´t watch motorsport to hear the cars, I watch it to see cars racing. 

 

It´s far from the end of the World. It´s sad to hear the apocalypse announcers with every regulation changes. I´d watch a electric F1. Seeing something come towards you doing 300km/h without making noise would still be intense like hell, hearing the air trying to get out of the way and the tyres rolling would be still really cool.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 13:18

Dinosaur tech?  Oh like the high revving screaming engines in Ferrari road cars & Lamborghini road cars.  The ones that make people excited and hearts race.

 

McLaren fanatics... yuck.   ;)   Turbo blah blah.  Optimised efficiency blah blah.  Only McLaren managed to build a supercar that leaves the prospective driver heading back to the Ferrari dealership after their lacklustre McLaren test drive.  If the prospective buyer wanted an optimised and efficient car they would buy a Golf... supercar buyers may in fact want maximum theatre, drama, general over-the-top silliness, and the emotional connection provided by a horse on a yellow background from a fine Italian workshop with historical architechure instead of a funny orange swosh from a place resembling a pharmaceuticals factory.  :well:

Wat.



#110 JHSingo

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 14:42

Dinosaur tech?  Oh like the high revving screaming engines in Ferrari road cars & Lamborghini road cars.  The ones that make people excited and hearts race.

 

McLaren fanatics... yuck.   ;)   Turbo blah blah.  Optimised efficiency blah blah.  Only McLaren managed to build a supercar that leaves the prospective driver heading back to the Ferrari dealership after their lacklustre McLaren test drive.  If the prospective buyer wanted an optimised and efficient car they would buy a Golf... supercar buyers may in fact want maximum theatre, drama, general over-the-top silliness, and the emotional connection provided by a horse on a yellow background from a fine Italian workshop with historical architechure instead of a funny orange swosh from a place resembling a pharmaceuticals factory.  :well:

 

Are you feeling okay?

 

To be honest, like I said in another topic, I'm not too bothered by how the cars sound, or how loud they are. The only thing I draw the line at is completely silent cars, like electric powered cars. When all racing cars become silent, that's when I stop watching. I've come to accept the diesel Audi R10 through to R18, because they sound like futuristic spaceships. But Formula E will never do anything for me. They just sound like remote control cars, and they sure as heck don't sound fast. The new F1 cars in comparison, are different to what we had before, yes, but they still sound like a racing car.

 

It was time for Formula One to change. I enjoyed the V10s and V8s as much as everyone else, but nothing lasts forever. I'm still looking forward to these new engines.



#111 Spillage

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 15:42

I can't help but feel all of this is premature because we haven't heard the new cars at full chat yet. They'll be different and that'll be a shame (I actually used to really love the sound of the cars revving in the garages) but the new engines may sound plenty loud and plenty gutsy enough when they're running at max revs on the track.



#112 chipmcdonald

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 16:10

When a grid full of cars floors the throttle and dumps the clutch on Race Day nobody is going to give a single flying fig about the tonal qualities of the individual cars are the? All this fuss about the sound is the result of the off season.

 

 

It's not the tonal qualities I'm concerned about.  Of the races I've been to, I thoroughly enjoyed hearing them dump the clutch - in the distance from half a mile or more away, where I had seats - and hearing them approach en masse.   Very dramatic.  One may not even hear them start from some seats this year.



#113 garagetinkerer

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 17:10

I'm not joking, easily the worst of the V10's. Did you hear it?

 

 

 

Fair enough, but I wanted less aero and if that means slower lap times then fine. Personally I don't think an exhaust blown diffuser is cutting edge tech, at least these powerpacks are a step in the right direction, regardless of sound.

Powerpacks are not suitable for use in F1 because of the inherent dangers which arise mostly because of packaging constraints. Infact, i would like to suggest that if Vettel wasn't winning so much, people would hardly have this much problem with WMD, i mean Exhaust Blown Diffusers. :rotfl:


Edited by garagetinkerer, 08 February 2014 - 17:15.


#114 Bartonz20let

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 17:30

It's not the tonal qualities I'm concerned about.  Of the races I've been to, I thoroughly enjoyed hearing them dump the clutch - in the distance from half a mile or more away, where I had seats - and hearing them approach en masse.   Very dramatic.  One may not even hear them start from some seats this year.

 

Think your being overly dramatic here.



#115 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 17:40

It's not the tonal qualities I'm concerned about.  Of the races I've been to, I thoroughly enjoyed hearing them dump the clutch - in the distance from half a mile or more away, where I had seats - and hearing them approach en masse.   Very dramatic.  One may not even hear them start from some seats this year.

 

Only if you have your hearing aid turned off.

 

The cars are loud enough that you can follow them round the circuit by sound alone. I was at T2 at Jerez watching the cars in T9 (Angel Nieto) through my zoom lens and listening to their delayed sound. You will hear the start at most circuits. Only at somewhere like Stavelot at Spa (with trees and hills in the way) or maybe at Monaco might the sound not carry all the way round the track.



#116 chipmcdonald

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 18:09

Think your being overly dramatic here.

 

At some tracks I don't think you will.  Casino or Senna hairpin at Montreal, Lesmos at Monza, Spoon, the more elongated tracks.  Spa. 

 

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#117 Spinnekop

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 03:17

Louder is not better, quality of sound is better.

 

I agree turbo charged engines are inherently muffled by the additional exhaust plumbing, but remember without Ferrari kicking up a stink the engines would have been inline four cylinder units. Imagine how poor the acoustic qualities those engines would have been(Sorry GTi, V-Tec enthusiasts and no apologies to the "it was better back then" stalwarts the 4 cylinder super powerful turbo engines of the 80's made flames but actually sounded a bit rubbish). The new V6's have far more potential to produce engines notes throughout the rev range far more pleasing to the ear(even with the compromised 90 degree angle stipulated) than the outgoing V8's even the V10's. 8's and 10's may scream loudly but they don't necessarily sound beautiful- there are few exceptions(flat plane Ferrari V8's, Porsche Carrera GT etc)

 

Engines comprising of multiples of 3 cylinders inherently create better harmonics(there's a reason Zonda's, Ferrari and Lambo V12's make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up when you hear them in the flesh). Easy example: go on youtube listen to civics etc being driven hard and then listen to a few clips of BMW straight 6's and Alfa V6's being driven hard- they are incomparable (ANY 4cyl engine compared to it's 6 cylinder equivalent sound poor)

 

The big problem is all the hybrid/energy recovery systems being integrated. An enormous part of enjoying viewing these cars live is the emotional response they give you. Honest to goodness sorry for the polar bears DRS, Kers, hybrid motor setups etc need to be removed. It's Formula ONE not an economy rum for heaven's sake!