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[jjcale]

 

Very good insights - worthy of its own thread, I think...

 

 

And now LH tells us how his car feels ... 

 

Edited by jjcale, 13 March 2014 - 09:14.

[Bartonz20let]

Nice watch but some of the information seemed a bit.... woolly? I dunno

[Gorma]

Nice watch but some of the information seemed a bit.... woolly? I dunno

That's just the accent.

[DanardiF1]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PzRoKW7LHz8

Very good insights - worthy of its own thread, I think...

I love Leo's shows... He's very perceptive and has a great sense of humour.

[chipmcdonald]

This year favors Jenson's style.  Doesn't favor Lewis.  They'll be driving a fuel management race.  It will be completely different than last year.  Nothing wooly about that, sounds spot on.

[oetzi]

Surely the rules for every year just suit whichever driver adapts best to them? I doubt Jenson has been practising for years, waiting for these rules. He'l be adapting to them just like everyone else. And funnily enough, the same drivers usually seem to be at the front whatever the rules.

[Nemo1965]

Surely the rules for every year just suit whichever driver adapts best to them? I doubt Jenson has been practising for years, waiting for these rules. He'l be adapting to them just like everyone else. And funnily enough, the same drivers usually seem to be at the front whatever the rules.

 

That is true, but...

 

Jim Clark absolutely dominated the 1,5 F1 era, and Graham Hill was nowhere near him when in the same cars. However, in the 3-litre era, Clark was still just as good, probably still the best, but Hill was strikingly much closer to him...

 

So rule-changes can have an impact, even if the best stay the best. 

[RoutariEnjinu]

From what they've been saying about getting heat into the rear tyres with smaller brakes, no blowing, and harder tyres, it could actually prove very difficult for someone like Jenson, who has struggled to get heat into tyres, and apparently doesn't like oversteer.

Massa even suggested a bit of rear slip might be the only way to get heat into them. Sutil and Kobayashi said it was hard to keep heat in the rear.

That topic didn't seem to come up in this video, maybe because it wasn't mention at the time, but it's an example of how quickly a prediction could change.

[BillBald]

From what they've been saying about getting heat into the rear tyres with smaller brakes, no blowing, and harder tyres, it could actually prove very difficult for someone like Jenson, who has struggled to get heat into tyres, and apparently doesn't like oversteer.

Massa even suggested a bit of rear slip might be the only way to get heat into them. Sutil and Kobayashi said it was hard to keep heat in the rear.

That topic didn't seem to come up in this video, maybe because it wasn't mention at the time, but it's an example of how quickly a prediction could change.

 

I think Jenson has a big problem with an unbalanced car, that's why he's had a problem in quali ever since refuelling was banned. Basically it's almost impossible to get a good balance on empty tanks which stays good when 160 litres of fuel is added. He will be better off now that less fuel is to be carried.

 

He does have a slight problem getting heat into tyres, but that only shows itself in extreme cases, and it's normally only affected him in quali. The most well-known case is the Brawn in the latter part of 2009, even then he was always fast in the races when he got some free air.

 

I'm pretty sure he will do well under this formula.

[study]

Jenson doing well under new rules has become the new DC "this is my year"

[Nonesuch]

Thanks for linking to the video, quite interesting. I could do without the predictions, but the technical descriptions by McNish were very nice!

 

I've also concluded that I'll never understand how English-speakers can turn Jerez into whatever it is that they bandy about.

[BillBald]

Thanks for linking to the video, quite interesting. I could do without the predictions, but the technical descriptions by McNish were very nice!

 

I've also concluded that I'll never understand how English-speakers can turn Jerez into whatever it is that they bandy about.

 

You are talking about how they pronounce "Jerez" ?

 

OK, point taken, the Spanish do a much better job when it comes to pronouncing "Londres".

[rhukkas]

Formula MPG... can't wait to watch he supposedly 24 best drivers in the world at half throttle.

 

Much speed so f1 very fast

[Bartonz20let]

This year favors Jenson's style.  Doesn't favor Lewis.  They'll be driving a fuel management race.  It will be completely different than last year.  Nothing wooly about that, sounds spot on.

 

The old 'XXX will suit Jenson and not Lewis' chestnut, doesn't it get tiring being so repetitive and predictable? 

 

For the sake of the discussion, doesn't Jenson prefer a balanced, stable car, yet the new cars are more lively due to the torque increase and reduction in aero? 

[V61985]

The more and more you think about all this conservation crap the more you start to realise how bad the sports getting, and alienating more and more fans in the process!!

[Spillage]

Good stuff 

 

Here are some thoughts from Alain Prost, in case anyone's interested: http://www.formula1....13/6/14695.html

[study]

I dunno, while these drivers know a lot, none of them have being in F1 cars for years, I'd much prefer it from a driver that is actually driving one.

[bauss]

nice interview...

 

the looser rear and driving style that requires straightening the car as soon as possible might actually end up favoring LH. If I remember correctly, before the whole exhaust assisted formula which gives downforce in corners, he was known for using oversteer/pointy frontends to get the car straightened up as soon as possible in the corner before powering out the corner.

[slideways]

This year favors Jenson's style.  Doesn't favor Lewis.  They'll be driving a fuel management race.  It will be completely different than last year.  Nothing wooly about that, sounds spot on.

And despite all that, he will still be captain slow.

Sorry I really like him, but even in 2009 he managed to look slow most of the time.

[Maustinsj]

And despite all that, he will still be captain slow.
Sorry I really like him, but even in 2009 he managed to look slow most of the time.

And became world champion

[Nonesuch]

I dunno, while these drivers know a lot, none of them have being in F1 cars for years, I'd much prefer it from a driver that is actually driving one.

 

While true, given the nature of the modern Audi Le Mans prototypes I think McNish is a lot more informed than most other (former) drivers would be.

[slideways]

McNish seemed on point. With Button maybe the fuel limit will tip the scales in balance towards his smooth style, but I think the best drivers have developed the F1 econo skills alongside the quali and purple laps.

[beute]

"buttons smooth style"

 

has this become a meme or something.

where does this originate from? I dont get it.

 

If you tell a story often enough, it becomes a fact.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Well, he does. But it's taken to ridiculous conclusions.

[GlenP]

McNish does know a lot about driving with economy, as is well pointed-out in that feature. I don't see any reason to doubt him. As well as a basic style that is smooth (wheelspin being a waste of fuel) and progressive with the inputs, the kind of driver that is cool with constant watchfulness and technical adjustments is likely to prosper.

Edited by GlenP, 10 February 2014 - 15:36.

[Collective]

Jenson doing well under new rules has become the new DC "this is my year"

 

Plus the ever reliable "Williams is taking an aggressive approach this year" 

[Bartonz20let]

McNish does know a lot about driving with economy, as is well pointed-out in that feature. I don't see any reason to doubt him. As well as a basic style that is smooth (wheelspin being a waste of fuel) and progressive with the inputs, the kind of driver that is cool with constant watchfulness and technical adjustments is likely to prosper.

 

You'll have to wait and see how the rear tires react before discounting the requirement for wheel spin, if what drivers (Massa?) have said is correct, its going to be a battle to keep them warm enough so being able to harness wheel spin could be a useful skill this year.... who knows?

[GlenP]

You'll have to wait and see how the rear tires react before discounting the requirement for wheel spin, if what drivers (Massa?) have said is correct, its going to be a battle to keep them warm enough so being able to harness wheel spin could be a useful skill this year.... who knows?

Nah - it will all come down to technicalities. Finding a way to keep the tyres in the right temperature range. Tail-sliding will never be the fastest way.

[Bartonz20let]

Nah - it will all come down to technicalities. Finding a way to keep the tyres in the right temperature range. Tail-sliding will never be the fastest way.

 

Erm, didn't say tail sliding... 

 

My understanding was that some amount of 'slip' was just about always present?  

[GlenP]

Erm, didn't say tail sliding... 

 

My understanding was that some amount of 'slip' was just about always present?  

Sigh - that's just semantics. I used that expression just as an alternative to wheelspin - OK; wheelspin will never be the fastest way. Happy?

[WitnessX]

"buttons smooth style"
 
has this become a meme or something.
where does this originate from? I dont get it.
 
If you tell a story often enough, it becomes a fact.

It's been around for some time- let Brundle explain ("F1 driving styles" 2006) :http://www.youtube.c...h?v=TOhgI1hQA68

 

..although he describes his style as "reasonably smooth" : http://www.youtube.c...h?v=SGzIRgTzDJo

[GlenP]

Why does Button's smooth driving style need to be questioned? Surely the most likely explanation is that, yes, he actually does have a smooth style?

[Ross Stonefeld]

Sigh - that's just semantics. I used that expression just as an alternative to wheelspin - OK; wheelspin will never be the fastest way. Happy?

 

Wheelspin itself is an issue for fuel economy. Slideways action less so, that's mainly a tire life issue. I took McNish's comments to be about wheelspin affecting fuel.

[RealRacing]

"buttons smooth style"

 

has this become a meme or something.

where does this originate from? I dont get it.

 

If you tell a story often enough, it becomes a fact.

Same as "over driving" the car...

[Bartonz20let]

So Glen, you going to answer the second part of my post or just continue being arrogant?

[Gorma]

Why does Button's smooth driving style need to be questioned? Surely the most likely explanation is that, yes, he actually does have a smooth style?

Rob describes Button's style around 2:50

 

[Maustinsj]

"buttons smooth style"

 

Do they?

[Rybo]

With all of the information available to the teams, the drivers will be coached in how to maximize everything. Some drivers might work it out a bit better, but I suspect that all the drivers will be there or there about.

[BillBald]

You'll have to wait and see how the rear tires react before discounting the requirement for wheel spin, if what drivers (Massa?) have said is correct, its going to be a battle to keep them warm enough so being able to harness wheel spin could be a useful skill this year.... who knows?

 

If any driver feels the need to induce wheelspin to heat up the tyres, they will surely do it when running straight, not when cornering, so I don't think a lot of skill will be called for.

 

But if it happens accidentally and unexpectedly, it could be tricky to deal with.

[Bartonz20let]

If any driver feels the need to induce wheelspin to heat up the tyres, they will surely do it when running straight, not when cornering, so I don't think a lot of skill will be called for.

 

But if it happens accidentally and unexpectedly, it could be tricky to deal with.

 

I don't think I've articulated my point very well, I was interested to understand how say a driver like Lewis who is famed for aggressive driving style and liking a lively car might be hindered or benefited by the harder compound, colder running rear tires. 

[jjcale]

Now LH tells us how the cars actually drive

 

 

sounds a bit tricky...

[OO7]

Now LH tells us how the cars actually drive

 

 

sounds a bit tricky...

Nice interview, cheers jj.

[bauss]

looks like this season will be proper fun

[Markn93]

That was a real interview. Thank you Windsor,  stuff people actually want to know and care about.  Not the usual drivel the tedious questions tv presenters ask, prompt 

[F1ultimate]

I can't wait to drive these cars in F1 2014. I'm keen to adapt to a different way of driving. 

[akshay380]

From LH interview, I get a feeling that fuel is not going to be as critical as it is made out to be.