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[Fastcake]

Personally advertising has lttle effect on me with regard to what I buy.

A lot of people would say that. And yet tens of billions is spent on marketing every year, which when done properly has proven results.

Oh, and I would also recommend putting down the Daily Mail.

[CoolBreeze]

Nope.

[FNG]

Hoopla over Ecigs is incredible, the use of nicotine in ecigs is infinitely more healthy than smoking cigarettes end of story. For those non smokers out there be thankful there is a real alternative for people who are long term smokers. This is where ecigarettes have their best sucess. I know many people who have instantly quit tabacco using these products after being heavy smokers for 30 plus years. Thankful that in the long run massive increases in funding needed to treat smoking related disease may dramatically drop off if there is a mass shift to a much safer alternative. Who cares how a person quits, as long as they quit tobacco products. You don't have to have tobacco to source nicotine either.

PG is in many everyday products I would be suprised if there were many people not absorbing it or ingesting it everyday. The nicotine is the same nicotine used by the pharmaceuticals who make millions making smoking cessation aids. These companies are the real enemy of ecig companies and the future of ecigs. As to the harmful effects of nicotine itself. Its deadly in high concerntration, so is water by the way. Fully immerse someone in a tub of that for about 10 minutes see how they get on. Nicotine used to be a common insecticide and has returned of late in some regions that want to claim the organically grown tag. Nicotine is found in tomatoes and egg plant. In small amounts its not particularly harmful at all. There is a carcinogen nitrosome however the dosage is lower than levels deemed dangerous in ecigs. A glass of water is pretty good for you too.

Nicotine is being used in some medical research for its properties in effecting mood in the treatment of depression and also degenerative neurological conditions.

But I suppose if its a floats it must be a witch. Science has always struggled in the face of mob stupidity. I however fully empathize with the distrust of allowing big tobacco to shift modus operandi, the advertisement should be strictly related to smoking cessation and not a glamorous alternative to a cigarette. Taxation should be what the normal tax levels are for any other commodity. Tobacco should still suffer heavy taxation to fund the public health systems that need it to treat those who succumb to its effects.

There has been some very good research into the effects of e liquid, from what I have been able to find, there is nothing for people to be worried about and if pg does become this centuries evil the majority of people are **** out of luck just brushing their teeth.

Thanks for being a voice of reason.

 

There may be some health issues with them but they are 99% safer than smoking. That's pretty indisputable. I have been off ciggs for 6 months because of ecigs ( hate the name, call them vapourizers). I have never felt better in my life. I will never touch a cig again, ever! Obviously the best option is to not put anything in your lungs, but with these things there is no reason to smoke anymore and don't cause issues for people around them. The ignorance about them is ridiculous.

Edited by FNG, 21 February 2014 - 17:25.

[Deluxx]

Getting hit by a bullet is 99% safer than a bus. But I wouldn't want to get hit by either

[KWSN - DSM]

Getting hit by a bullet is 99% safer than a bus. But I wouldn't want to get hit by either

 

Did you not declare you left? Since you did not, which part of statements that e-cigarettes are much less unhealthy is it that you have an issue with?

 

[RockyRaccoon68]

There is no evidence that they are safe nor is there any evidence that they are unsafe.

 

At the moment, they appear to be safer than smoking tobacco. 

[Tsarwash]

Deluxx, nobody is trying to encourage you to do any of these things, so I don't understand your viewpoint. If Ecigs help people quit nicotine for good, then isn't that a good thing ?
I'm not against them getting taxed, but seeing as they are a LOT less unhealthy than cigs and help some people stop smoking cigs, why would you want to ban them ?

I spoke to somebody very high up in Imperial Tobacco a few years ago and his viewpoint about the advertising ban was this; The sort of tobacco advertising relating to sport racing wasn't designed to get new people smoking, it was to get people to switch between brands. Of course that was always the industry line, and to some extent to be taken with a pinch of salt. But I do think that there is something in it. When the total ban came in, it was terrible news for certain sports, but because the ban was so total and applied to all tobacco companies, it didn't affect them much at all, in terms or users. But what it did do was save all of the big companies hundreds of millions of pounds each, every year.

[RacingDuck]

Maybe it's coincidence, but the "good ol' days" a lot of us remember were the same days of the John Player Special, the Marlboro McLaren, the Rothmans Porsche, the Skoal Bandit, the Winston Cup and the Camel GT.

Dont forget the Mild Seven Benetton

[Deluxx]

Deluxx, nobody is trying to encourage you to do any of these things, so I don't understand your viewpoint. If Ecigs help people quit nicotine for good, then isn't that a good thing ?
I'm not against them getting taxed, but seeing as they are a LOT less unhealthy than cigs and help some people stop smoking cigs, why would you want to ban them ?

 

Oh i know man. I'm not really Karen what people put into their bodies... it's their choice you know. It's not really my business.

 

But ecigs are concentrated nicotine... and at the moment they fall under a jurisdiction that cannot be enforced strictly... Companies can put whatever chems they want in them and be able to get away from loopholes by saying it is a safer smoking alternative. 

 

This thread isn't about if it's safer or better than smoking... but should ecigs be openly advertised. The truth is, companies add flavors to entice younger demographics by calling them "Hookah Sticks" and fruity flavored items.

 

Why am I typing this? I'm not sure. It's not like I disagree with what you guys are saying in here. It's just my opinion they should be classified with other nicotine products, like chew and snuff.

[PayasYouRace]

Getting hit by a bullet is 99% safer than a bus. But I wouldn't want to get hit by either

 

Depends how fast either is going surely?

[Murl]

Thanks for being a voice of reason.

 

There may be some health issues with them but they are 99% safer than smoking. That's pretty indisputable. I have been off ciggs for 6 months because of ecigs ( hate the name, call them vapourizers). I have never felt better in my life. I will never touch a cig again, ever! Obviously the best option is to not put anything in your lungs, but with these things there is no reason to smoke anymore and don't cause issues for people around them. The ignorance about them is ridiculous.

 

 

I'm an ex smoker and report that getting a passive hit of ecig is equally irritating to me as regular smoke. For me, it is the nicotine triggering my deeply ingrained addictive pathways. Unpleasant.

 

So yeah, great that they help you cut down on carginogens, I'm happy for you and any other ex-smokers that can lower the health risks. Don't get the idea that they are cool to tote around the office, or other public spaces though. They really are no different to a normal cig in that respect.

 

And advertising? I don't think so. We made a shift as a society away from this drug. It will be gone in another generation. Think of ecigs like anti-psychotics or other strong meds. No need to promote them as a product, they are a medicine/drug.