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[FullThrottleF1]

Just something I have been pondering over. With the final descion for the entry of a team for 2015/2016 in a few days time (28th Feb) will Haas (or the other two) get an entry?

 

For me Haas seems the most viable option open to the FIA.

 

1. Big facility, including a windtunnel which not all F1 teams have.

2. Cash, he owns the biggest Machine Tool manufacturer in the US, with profits of 1 Billion dollars in 2008.

3. Ability to attract sponsors, Haas would have the US sponsor market all to himself, could get a couple of big companies aboard.

4. Its American, the FIA have been trying to break the states for a while now, but everyone knows that the Americans will only get behind F1 only if the have a team/driver in the sport.

 

I'm pretty sure that I am wrong with this, but hey, its pre-season!

[Risil]

He's also a convicted fraudster, which is another point in his favour.

[FullThrottleF1]

Well we all make mistakes in life. Bernie is guilty as charged being a briber but somehow owns F1.

[dau]

Hope so, but it will depend on his business plan. I bet the FIA will be very cautious since the USF1 disaster. Maybe that's the reason for Haas planning a partnership with Dallara.

 

There was an article at Racecar Engineering a few days ago, dreaming up a Ford return via Haas. I would like to see that.

 

http://www.racecar-e...return-in-2015/

[loki]

Haas in a Ford not likely unless he sells SHR to Smoke. There is too big of a lock in with GM.  While Smoke does have Chevrolet dealerships the thing that ties him most to GM is the relationship with Smoke's sprint car team and his personal sponsorship agreement.  I don't see a US manufacturer becoming involved as a factory team.  They could get better bang for the buck from other forms of marketing.  GM or Ford aren't going to sell that many cars from the F1 involvement to justify the cost compared to other forms of marketing or motorsports.

 

Edit.. could not find any mention of Tony Stewart owning any car dealerships let alone a Chevy dealership.  He did do a 2014 Silverado concept track for Chevrolet.

Edited by loki, 23 February 2014 - 01:18.

[rmac923]

http://www.mrn.com/R...ula-1-Team.aspx

 

Apparently, he has a deal with Ferrari for engines.

[jonpollak]

Yes but does Ferrari make toasters?

Sorry, thought I'd get that one over and done with.

Jp

[DanardiF1]

I'm all for new teams entering F1, so I'd like to see this happen, as a US interest in F1 is long overdue.

 

I don't think it could happen for 2015, that's just too soon for a startup project to work with any sort of success, unless they are already well into a program that's been given the go-ahead on some encouraging words from the FIA...

[Murl]

He's also a convicted fraudster, which is another point in his favour.

Bernie hasn't been convicted of fraud yet.

 

Just because a Judge says Bernie is corrupt, a criminal and liar doesn't make it so.

 

And besides, Vladimir Putin!

 

We really need to find out what this Haas fellow thinks of gays before we know if he has a chance at Bernie's table.

[Red17]

Announce Kurt Busch as one of the drivers=instant entry.

[billm99uk]

Why not? He's got the resources if he wants to do it.

[SR388]

I think he Haas a chance! 

[FullThrottleF1]

I wondered how long it would be before someone did that joke.

Seriously Haasard a guess :-)

[dau]

I think he Haas a chance! 

Stop right there! Pun Police. Licence and registration please. 

 

 

Do you know how fast you were punning?

[HoldenRT]

Imagine if a US F1 team came in and took over F1 like RBR did in the last 5 years.. GO BACK TO OVALS WHERE YOU BELONG.

 

But they have to get in first, seems hard enough for US teams to get in, let alone win a race.

[Chubby_Deuce]

 

2. Cash, he owns the biggest Machine Tool manufacturer in the US, with profits of 1 Billion dollars in 2008.

 

 

Revenue and profit are very different things. 2012 revenue was $976 million but it's a private company so we have no idea how much profit they made from that.

[BRG]

Yes but does Ferrari make toasters?

Weellll......

[george1981]

I'd welcome him coming to F1. Rather than starting from scratch I'd like to see him buy an existing team and build it up. I think Lotus would be a good place to start, I think they've used his wind tunnel before so there could be some links there already.

[FullThrottleF1]

Haas said he had already considered buying a F1 team, but that it wasn't viable.

[Dunc]

I'd welcome him coming to F1. Rather than starting from scratch I'd like to see him buy an existing team and build it up. I think Lotus would be a good place to start, I think they've used his wind tunnel before so there could be some links there already.

I disagree, I'd rather see a completely new team.

[Zeroninety]

He's also a convicted fraudster, which is another point in his favour.

 

I admit, since I don't follow NASCAR, it wasn't until after reading this thread that I learned that the Haas in Stewart-Haas wasn't Carl. Before checking Google, I spent a couple minutes wracking my brain, trying to recall what Carl Haas might have gone to the slammer for!

[Risil]

I'd have had him arrested for those cigars

Edited by Risil, 24 February 2014 - 00:05.

[billm99uk]

I admit, since I don't follow NASCAR, it wasn't until after reading this thread that I learned that the Haas in Stewart-Haas wasn't Carl. Before checking Google, I spent a couple minutes wracking my brain, trying to recall what Carl Haas might have gone to the slammer for!

I'll confess to checking Wikipedia to see if it was the same Haas as in Beatrice-Haas ;)

Wonder if they're related?

[helioseism]

Imagine if a US F1 team came in and took over F1 like RBR did in the last 5 years.. GO BACK TO OVALS WHERE YOU BELONG.

 

But they have to get in first, seems hard enough for US teams to get in, let alone win a race.

 

A little worried, are we??

[Nemo1965]

To be blunt: I think the only way for an American team to be succesfull in both the commercial and sport-sense, they have to not only win in F1 but also with an American driver, American sponsor, American engineer... and in Monaco.

 

That's the only story, I think, if it would unfold, that would really score in the US.

[HistoryFan]

I'll confess to checking Wikipedia to see if it was the same Haas as in Beatrice-Haas ;)

Wonder if they're related?

No, Carl Haas from Beatrice Haas and Gene Haas from the new Haas team are not related.

[Imateria]

I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath.

[TheUltimateWorrier]

To be blunt: I think the only way for an American team to be succesfull in both the commercial and sport-sense, they have to not only win in F1 but also with an American driver, American sponsor, American engineer... and in Monaco.

 

That's the only story, I think, if it would unfold, that would really score in the US.

 

So what you're saying is, they need 'the All-American, American'.

[showtime]

FIA set to give American team green light for '15

http://www.f1times.c...s/display/08549

[Pingu Pi]

Woo more teams the better (within reason I.e quality).

Was thinking about this today, I miss Toyota, Honda and BMW. Not enough manufacturer teams anymore

[FullThrottleF1]

Great news, look forward to seeing them in 2015!

[Ali_G]

No, Carl Haas from Beatrice Haas and Gene Haas from the new Haas team are not related.

 

All Gene Haas has to do now is find someone with the Newman surname to team up with.

[Anderis]

Was thinking about this today, I miss Toyota, Honda and BMW. Not enough manufacturer teams anymore

Not enough for what?

 

I know it's the easiest way to have some more well-funded teams in F1, but TBH, I'm glad that teams like Toyota, Honda and BMW are no longer in F1. I would rather have more teams which exist for racing than for selling some more cars. I would prefer car manufacturers to involve as engine-suppliers, technological partners and some kind of sponsors. This is why I'm happy that Honda is coming back with McLaren, not with their own team. We can have a strong grid with little car manufacturers teams if we can solve some fundamental issues in F1. Having a grid full of car manufacturers is very flawed solution, as we seen in 2007-2010 era. Manufacturers come and put enormous amount of money, what causes trouble for other teams, and then withdraw for econimic reasons or on the basis they're not getting a publicity they want (they want to be perceived as a top team, but if you have 6 or 7 car manufacturers in F1, they can't be all at the front of the grid), leaving a big hole to fill for F1.

 

First decade of the XXI century was the only time in F1 history when car manufacturers teams were a majority in F1 (well, maybe apart from fifties) and I wouldn't say it was better than before, it's not a natural state for F1.

[BRG]

Was thinking about this today, I miss Toyota, Honda and BMW. Not enough manufacturer teams anymore

Yes, bring back Renault!

 

Ah, wait a mo though......

 

Happy to see a new team come in and if it is a US one, all the better.  But I remain sceptical it will achieve anything worthwhile, or even get off the ground at all.

[Anja]

Apparently today's announcement will be delayed due to FOM still analysing new teams - and their approval is required.

[Anderis]

Too bad. I was looking forward with a hope to see a new team or two confirmed for 2014 today. I think Bernie definetely has too much power in F1. I will be furious if it turns out that all teams were denied a spot on the grid in 2015, but knowing Bernie I wouldn't say it's impossible. Too bad it's that hard to join F1 and be given a chance of fair competition nowadays.

[maximilian]

It's well known that Bernie doesn't WANT additional teams in F1, so this is pretty much BS - especially since time is already tight to make the 2015 season, so every day counts, and whatever delay takes place at this time may make it finally impossible to enter.  Bernie should be in jail right now, instead he's still effing up things on every level.

[Jimisgod]

No, Carl Haas from Beatrice Haas and Gene Haas from the new Haas team are not related.

They aren't?! I thought this was a kind of continuation of the great Newman/Haas team. Now I'm sad.

[Fastcake]

Well they still have more time to organise than the last tranche of new teams, so a small delay doesn't really matter. Especially if this is merely a formality for a team that was already pre-approved, as we never had anything concrete from other applicants.

[Jimisgod]

Bernie hasn't been convicted of fraud yet.

Just because a Judge says Bernie is corrupt, a criminal and liar doesn't make it so.

And besides, Vladimir Putin!

We really need to find out what this Haas fellow thinks of gays before we know if he has a chance at Bernie's table.

Bernie's waiting on the Uganda F1 team I guess.

The 80 year old man with a wife many decades younger lecturing about partners, how rich.

Welcome Mr Haas, I guess, have fun making a small fortune out of your large one. Hopefully you will do better than the last 3 newcomers.

[maximilian]

The 80 year old man with a wife many decades younger lecturing about partners, how rich.

 

And many, many inches taller!

[FullThrottleF1]

Bernie does not make the descion on allowing more teams to join, the FIA does. I am wondering if the delay means they are going to consider allowing more than 1 entrant.

[loki]

 

 

Just because a Judge says Bernie is corrupt, a criminal and liar doesn't make it so.

 

It means exactly that in a system where there is rule of law and not a dictatorial structure.  The guy that accepted the bribe has been convicted and now it's a matter of seeing if the guy that gave the bribe is convicted.  Ecclestone won't be around in the long game due to either ageing or a conviction.  His era of influence and control is coming to an end one way or another.  If there was a 5 year over/under I'd go with under.

Edited by loki, 28 February 2014 - 18:27.

[maximilian]

Bernie does not make the descion on allowing more teams to join, the FIA does. I am wondering if the delay means they are going to consider allowing more than 1 entrant.

FOM has a right to veto and is currently holding up the process.

http://www.motorspor...n-14022805.html

[FullThrottleF1]

Oh well, no new teams then. I am sure Bernie will make sure it does not happen.

[loki]

FOM couldn't stop Haas or the Romainians from buying Force India.  Buying Lotus seemed to be a disaster in the making but the way SFI has shown not only in testing now but last season could be attractive.  

[FullThrottleF1]

No one is buying any team, the costs are way too high...

[Ross Stonefeld]

Because starting one is so much better? 

[FullThrottleF1]

Seriously, its cheaper.

[Ross Stonefeld]

You get what you pay for ultimately. If you come in and spend 'cheaply' you end up as Caterham and Marussia. You're still tens and tens of millions in the hole, with little to show for it, and little hope of sponsorship making up the difference.

 

Buying 51% of Lotus or Force India wouldn't cost much more and you'd immediately be up the grid.