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#101 DinocoBlue

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 14:43

The 107% rule hasn't gone anywhere. Everyone currently meets it quite easily.

Sorry I meant that cars would actually fall short of the rule.

 

Then again the three new teams managed to keep up in '10, so I suppose it'd be no different next year.



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#102 DanardiF1

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 14:53

Adam Cooper wrote, they think Haas will be there 2016, not 2015.
Kolles's team is something different because he already has some structure he could use and make it in 2015

 

I'd actually think that Haas would be more ready to start in 2015 considering their financial position, established facilities and assumed connection with Dallara and Ferrari.

 

The Kolles thing is just another... Kolles thing. Just take a look at his Kodewa-Lotus LMP efforts in the last couple of seasons...



#103 Disgrace

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 14:56

Kolles knows how to run an F1 team on a shoestring. A 2015 entry is a little bit Mastercard Lola for any team, but his leadership only boosts the viability of a potential entry.



#104 Fastcake

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 14:57

How on earth are they supposed to be ready for 2015?

 

Well, Fernandes got a team ready for 2010 having only got a place in September. If Haas, and perhaps this other entry, have been given the go ahead they should easily be ready providing they have the money. How competitive they will be is another question.

 

wow 13 teams in 2015…...

 

that makes 26 drivers. How many are go from Q1 to Q2. Am sure they will further tweak those rules this year

 

Pretty simply, there'll be 18 through to Q2.


Edited by Fastcake, 06 April 2014 - 14:58.


#105 Petroltorque

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 15:33

The Kolles' project is being bankrolled by Romanian government money. A great opportunity for someone to squirrel away some money in a Cayman Islands offshore account.

#106 X61

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 17:31

F1 really does need 13 (or even 14) teams, if only to ensure that there are better opportunities for the younger drivers to break through to race seats rather than third driver roles.

I agree, I'm just afraid we'll get more young paychecks rather than young talent if these teams are cash strapped.



#107 DinocoBlue

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 17:42

I wonder if Kolles' team will get Dacia sponsorship?



#108 Spillage

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 14:48

So, now that Haas is confirmed could we turn this into the 'Haas F1 thread' and leave the '2 new teams in F1 in 2015' open to speculation about who the second team might be?

 

I'm quite excited to see how they do. I think Gene Haas has the resources and experience to not only get to F1, but make a decent fist of it when he gets there. I'm also quite excited to see if he brings some premium US talent with him; could we end up seeing a big name from NASCAR make the jump across the pond? Haas' current NASCAR drivers Stewart, Harvick, Busch & Patrick are surely all too old, but is there anyone in the American paddock you guys see being able/willing to make the jump?



#109 JHSingo

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 15:05

Kolles knows how to run an F1 team on a shoestring. A 2015 entry is a little bit Mastercard Lola for any team, but his leadership only boosts the viability of a potential entry.

 

To be fair, when you take a look back at Kolles' history...it isn't great. He's what you'd call a repeat offender. Quite a few examples of not paying bills on time, leading to trouble. Most recent was the Lotus Kodewa LMP2 situation at Le Mans last year, where the cars were seized by authorities in the pit lane! :rotfl:

 

But it is clear the FIA really doesn't give a monkey's about that kind of thing. Haas has been in jail for tax evasion (if my memory serves correctly), and Kolles is very sketchy.

 

 

 

but is there anyone in the American paddock you guys see being able/willing to make the jump?

 

I'd love it if Kyle Larson went for it. He's young, but I'm not sure NASCAR/Chip Ganassi would take kindly to someone taking away their young star. From IndyCar, Carlos Munoz would be cool, or even someone like James Hinchcliffe. It's nice to dream, but I bet they'll end up going for quite a safe option, most likely Alex Rossi and a current F1 driver with a budget who is out of contract by the end of the year.


Edited by JHSingo, 13 April 2014 - 15:09.


#110 Newbrray

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 15:34

To be fair, when you take a look back at Kolles' history...it isn't great. He's what you'd call a repeat offender. Quite a few examples of not paying bills on time, leading to trouble. Most recent was the Lotus Kodewa LMP2 situation at Le Mans last year, where the cars were seized by authorities in the pit lane! :rotfl:

 

But it is clear the FIA really doesn't give a monkey's about that kind of thing. Haas has been in jail for tax evasion (if my memory serves correctly), and Kolles is very sketchy.

 

 

 

 

That's the kind of pedigree F1 wants. He will fit right in with Bernie and his bribery / tax evasion  scandal 



#111 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 16:00

I am a bit confused as to what the team will be called. Some sites say 'Haas Racing Developments' and some say 'Haas Formula LLC'. Anyone have an official FIA statement with the name on it? :wave:



#112 InSearchOfThe

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 16:50

Isn't he having a press conference this week?

I'm sure we'll get some details then.



#113 eronrules

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 17:04

I am a bit confused as to what the team will be called. Some sites say 'Haas Racing Developments' and some say 'Haas Formula LLC'. Anyone have an official FIA statement with the name on it? :wave:

as long it's not HAAS Racing Team (HRT)  :p


Edited by eronrules, 13 April 2014 - 17:07.


#114 Red17

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 22:17

Whatever the name is they seriously need to bring in Kurt Busch.



#115 X61

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 23:46

Whatever the name is they seriously need to bring in Kurt Busch.

That would spice up the press conferences a bit :lol:.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 23:46

That's the kind of pedigree F1 wants. He will fit right in with Bernie and his bribery / tax evasion  scandal 

 

Don't forget that Briatore was sentenced *twice* for fraud and conspiracy and remained a fugitive for years to avoid jail.  I believe his yacht was also seized recently to collect for tax evasion.



#117 DinocoBlue

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 21:02

Didn't take long for the wikipedia page to get created (as well as Forza Rossa).

 

Anyway, the team is listed on there as Haas Formula (with three sources, one of which is the FIA). However that is the company name (LLC) and (according to the talk page) the team will probably refer to itself as 'Haas Racing Developments'.

 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Haas_Formula

 

 

Doesn't really clear it up I suppose. Guess we'll have to wait until they do a full confirmation of details.


Edited by DinocoBlue, 15 April 2014 - 21:06.


#118 scheivlak

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 22:15

Here in the Netherlands we're still chuckling a bit because in Dutch "Haas" means "hare" and "Mijn naam is Haas" ("My name is Haas" = "I'm just like a hare at this moment") is a well known way of saying "I know nothing" / "Please, don't ask me" 

 

Just FYI  :D



#119 Hans V

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:01

I wonder if Kolles' team will get Dacia sponsorship?

Dacia is owned by Renault. They could buy back or reposess Lotus F1 (I'm sure there are a pile of unpaid invoices for engines and I wouldn't be surprised if the money they loaned Genii to buy their team (!!!) isn't settled yet) and brand it Dacia with the support of the Romanian government.

Edited by Hans V, 16 April 2014 - 06:03.


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#120 DinocoBlue

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:08

This probably isn't up-to-date news, but Haas has confirmed it'll be a month before we know if its '15 or '16 for the team.
 

 

"I'd like to do 2015, simply because I think the first year's going to be a difficult year no matter what happens," said Haas. "It's a very big challenge and part of that learning curve is just simply getting to the track and sorting out the logistics of going from race to race. The sooner we learn that, the sooner we'll be done with that. So I would say we'd like 2015, but depending upon who we select with our partner, I don't know if they can provide all of the infrastructure and technology that we'd need.

"So I think it's one of those things that we're going to have to find out in the next few weeks. I would say within four weeks or so we should have an idea which year we're going to pursue."

 

 

http://www1.skysport...t-the-europeans

 

 

 

EDIT: Should this thread become the defacto 'Haas 2015-16 or bust' thread now?


Edited by DinocoBlue, 16 April 2014 - 09:10.


#121 superden

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 13:10

I'll be surprised (albeit pleasantly) if a Haas F1 car even turns a wheel, much less takes part in a Grand Prix.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 13:34

I'll be surprised (albeit pleasantly) if a Haas F1 car even turns a wheel, much less takes part in a Grand Prix.

Sure there's a lot to tackle to get a successful car on the grid, but you have to wonder: If someone like Haas can't do it, with his money, his business and other assets including his wind tunnel, and the fact he already co-owns a championship-winning NASCAR team, then who can?



#123 Waffle

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:52

Sure there's a lot to tackle to get a successful car on the grid, but you have to wonder: If someone like Haas can't do it, with his money, his business and other assets including his wind tunnel, and the fact he already co-owns a championship-winning NASCAR team, then who can?

His wind tunnel won't be much help - Dallara are building the cars - and a formula one team is a very different undertaking to a NASCAR team.  He's not short of a bob or two, but Haas Automation is only a medium-sized business.  Red Bull makes in profit what Haas Automation makes in turnover, very roughly speaking, and the F1 team is covered by Red Bull's marketing budget alone.  I don't think Haas is in quite as strong a position as it first appears.  



#124 wonk123

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:05

His wind tunnel won't be much help - Dallara are building the cars - and a formula one team is a very different undertaking to a NASCAR team.  He's not short of a bob or two, but Haas Automation is only a medium-sized business.  Red Bull makes in profit what Haas Automation makes in turnover, very roughly speaking, and the F1 team is covered by Red Bull's marketing budget alone.  I don't think Haas is in quite as strong a position as it first appears.  

 

Because it is so easy to win in NASCAR? I mean, really, they only turn left and until last year had a carburettor, so it is just a backward hillbilly motorsport that anyone can win in?

 

I don't think anyone expects HAAS to have a budget like RBR

 

But I am quietly confident of them being much better than HRT was, and challenging Marussia and Caterham in their first year.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:17

Here is a little blurb cut and pasted from Stewart Haas Racing website

 

Stewart-Haas Racing is the title-winning NASCAR Sprint Cup Series team co-owned by three-time Sprint Cup champion Tony Stewart and Gene Haas, founder of Haas Automation – the largest CNC machine tool builder in the western world. The team fields four entries in the elite Sprint Cup Series – the No. 14 Bass Pro Shops/Mobil 1 Chevrolet for Stewart, the No. 10 GoDaddy Chevrolet for Danica Patrick, the No. 4 Budweiser/Jimmy John’s Chevrolet for Kevin Harvick and the No. 41 Haas Automation Chevrolet for Kurt Busch. Based in Kannapolis, N.C., Stewart-Haas Racing operates out of a 140,000-square-foot facility with approximately 250 employees.

 

img-facility.jpg

 

http://www.stewartha...m/shr/visit.php

 

As you can see, it not exactly 2 "good 'ol boys" in a tin shed out the back of Concord like in "Days of Thunder"

 

 

As an aside, North Carolina has approx 180 companies involved in the Aerospace industry, with over 9,500 employees


Edited by wonk123, 17 April 2014 - 07:30.


#126 Fatgadget

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 09:53

I admit, since I don't follow NASCAR, it wasn't until after reading this thread that I learned that the Haas in Stewart-Haas wasn't Carl. Before checking Google, I spent a couple minutes wracking my brain, trying to recall what Carl Haas might have gone to the slammer for! :p


Are these 2 Haases in anyway related? Carl actually ran a F1 team with Beatrice and Ford backing didnt he?I remember Alan Jones and Patrick Tambay testing the car...

#127 427MkIV

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 12:26

They aren't releated. Carl Haas was the U.S. Lola distributor and co-owner of Newman-Haas Racing, the CART team. He did own the F1 team you mentioned.