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[S3baman]

Could be interesting voor the Haas and Romanian bid I guess.

 

Dacia has already dismissed the rumours about joining F1. It makes no sense for a small budget car company aiming at providing cheap cars to enter the most expensive sport in the world.

[DanardiF1]

Dacia has already dismissed the rumours about joining F1. It makes no sense for a small budget car company aiming at providing cheap cars to enter the most expensive sport in the world.

 

Especially one that is essentially a Renault regional subsidiary anyway...

[rmac923]

Haas allegedly has an engine deal with Ferrari. See the "Haas to F1" thread.

[undersquare]

Part (but not all) of the "Mercedes or Renault" engines have to homologated and locked in place tomorrow.

Cosworth (and Honda) are not in F1 right now, so can continue to learn and develop all year.

Because these new engines are a steep learning curve for all involved, that extra year will be very very helpful.

It's moot isn't it how much Honda and Cosworth can learn from teams vs how much Mercedes and Renault will learn from running the engines in real F1 cars for a season and can keep to themselves?

[Gilles4Ever]

In an exclusive interview with Cosworth Automotive CEO Hal Reisiger, an American who headed Cosworth’s U.S. companies and in the last year has advanced to be the head of the company in the U.K., plans are in the works for a return to at least one of the two championships – potentially both.

When asked by MotorSportsTalk whether IndyCar’s current  2.2L V6 turbocharged engine formula would portend a Cosworth return, Reisiger said it’s something they’re working on.

“We are committed to aligning ourselves with an OEM for an IndyCar engine program,” Reisiger said.

 

As for Formula One, Marussia was the last team to field the normally aspirated 2.4L V8 Cosworth at the end of the current development cycle there. But according to Reisiger, it wasn’t the new regulations that prevented Cosworth from building a new 1.6L V6 turbocharged engine. It was simply economics.

“There had been some design work, simulation and analysis done by our engineering staff and there had been some discussions, some of which were fairly recent, about whether there wasn’t a team or teams plural that were willing to sponsor the development,” Reisiger explained.

“But given the scope of the work and budget that’s required, it wasn’t something Cosworth was prepared to undertake independently. If one of those discussions came to fruition, and they still take place, it’s still something we’d be interested in that we’d need to be in collaboration and partnership with an OEM or team or teams.”

 

 

http://motorsportsta...ble-one-for-f1/

[Gorma]

Cosworth (and Honda) are not in F1 right now, so can continue to learn and develop all year.

 

So can Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari. They just cannot introduce the updates this year.

[Fastcake]

Tony Stewart has huge connections to GM. As I said in another thread the only way it works is if Haas sells his share to Smoke.

Ford in F1? Don't see that happening. Too expensive and they could better spend their money on other marketing platforms. F1 is a pretty poor return on investment and I don't see the shareholders being pleased with what it would take to fund a factory F1 effort.

As has been mentioned, the idea is Ford will fund Cosworth to produce engines in their name again. The cost is would be less than a full factory effort, especially if they do not commit to a strong relationship with any one team.

[BiH]

I think Catheram is going to pull out at end of year and someone will purchase Catherm maybe Haas?

 

Hence the Cosworth engines news.

 

Who else could it be Force India? Are they in financial trouble?

 

Maybe Sauber is not out of the woods after the Russian deal failed.

[FullThrottleF1]

BiH, Haas stated that he won't be buying any F1 teams out as the costs were too great.

[Rinehart]

Were going to have more engines than teams at this rate...

[Anderis]

Were going to have more engines than teams at this rate...

Don't you overreact a bit? ATM we have almost 4 times as many teams as engine manufacturers. With Cosworth and Honda, we're likely to have 5 engine manufacturers for 12 or 13 teams, still much more than 2 teams per engine. And just 6 years ago we had 6 different engines for 11 teams.

 

I think it was poor thing for F1 to have such a little amount of engine suppliers. If one of them underperforms, 1/3 of the grid is screwed and there isn't much space to change the supplier for next years anyway.

[doc83]

So can Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari. They just cannot introduce the updates this year.

 

Exactly. Mercedes (and Ferrari) probably know by now how the real testing in an F1 car corresponds to their advanced dyno. Priceless knowledge. They can run their new engines with updated figures. The more I look at testing the more I feel Honda made a huge mistake waiting additional year.

[Bloggsworth]

Given Marussia's lack of running, it seems to be relatively* quicker than it was last year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*In comparison, not absolutes

[peroa]

BiH, Haas stated that he won't be buying any F1 teams out as the costs were too great.

Lol. it's cheaper to start out from scratch?

i smell another USF1 dream shattered...

[FullThrottleF1]

He is fairly well off. He is a multi-millionaire with a special motorsport faciltity with its own windtunnel. Pretty impressive from 'scratch'.

[Petroltorque]

It's cheaper to launch a startup as you don't have to service the debts of the existing teams as well as fund the infrastructure. Haas' existing business model is to fund Dallara to design and build the chassis with a customer powertrain. He is only left to find a base from which to run a race team. It's a defacto turn key operation, which is the cheaper option. I also feel that Caterham will fold at the end of this season. Apart from all the problems they have with powertrain, it looks like they've produced another lemon.

[Rinehart]

Don't you overreact a bit? 

 I was thinking of positing something like "Good news", but I thought, its Thursday, I'd be creative and go for something a bit drier. 

[loki]

As has been mentioned, the idea is Ford will fund Cosworth to produce engines in their name again. The cost is would be less than a full factory effort, especially if they do not commit to a strong relationship with any one team.

Ford's not likely to spend any money in F1.  Most of the Ford motorsport movement globally has been in rally and rally cross.  Rally cross in particular is much more relevant to the younger folks and is a fraction of the cost of F1.  I could see them badging something for Indycar, but again the cost is much lower.

[loki]

Lol. it's cheaper to start out from scratch?

i smell another USF1 dream shattered...

It is if you already own much of the infrastructure and a company that is a leading maker of many of the CNC tools one uses to build these cars.  Add Dallara for the tub work and the facility in Charlotte and except for people you already have a team.   They've got a great deal of capability already.  Shaker rigs, CFD, machines, a wind tunnel that is arguably one of the best in motorsport and the funding to hire top nothc people.  The problem with USF1 is they didn't have owners with deep pockets and had to go get outside money.  Not the case here, he has money and is already in the race team business.