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#551 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:44

I really cannot understand how was Ross Brawn NOT given this position back in 2008....



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#552 MirNyet

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:47

Removing the TP is only as wise a decision as who they choose to replace him. Ferrari in some ways has suffered the same problem as McLaren has - a lack of direction and a hunger for victory. Both teams have had TP more interested in F1 as an entity than their own teams personal successes. Both Ferrari and McLaren over the past 4 years have played nice so as to help bind F1 - and in doing so have been basically done over by the likes of Mercedes and Red Bull who are both practicing old school F1. Both McLaren and Ferrari's outgoing TP have been good men, honourable and good for the sport - but terrible for their respective teams because of a focus on bigger pictures.

 

That said, I would still argue that Ferrari have simply returned to the level they sat at for many years before their blip of 1999-2004 - its going to take more than a change of TP to address that just as it took more than Jean Todt to address it last time.



#553 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:31

Dear CrucialXtreme,


your posts are usually very informative and a great read, but to be honest, I do not understand where you actually stand on the whole issue. please if you find time, explain what is it that you believe is actually wrong with Ferrari and why they do not have a winning team.

1. you say the budget is not the highest, RB is wealthier.
2. you say SD is not a total failure, in fact a lot has been made better under his management.
3. ferrari according to you has actually a good engine.


It seems like you have a very difficult time deviating from the ferrari party lines. If all of the above are true, why the hell is the team losing one wdc after another and taking reactionary decisions that in end effect fail to bring any tangible results?

In my personal opinion, before letting people like Costa go, or even Chris Dyer, it was Domenicali who should have taken responsibility for the teams failures and asked to be relieved of his duties. this is what a good boss would have done before firing one after another his team senior members. After all, he is the TP and he is ultimately responsible for the good and the bad.

Year after year the ferrari press releases follow a pattern now. We start with promises, we release the car and say "its just testing, we will not know until the season starts" then we say "oh, wait for barcelona" then its the "i have told my troops in maranello, everyone is working hard, we will close the deficit" and in parallel with this, usually around summer time (this time earlier) we start with complaining about the state of f1, the wrong focus of the rules (be it blowing the diffuser, the endless winglets and aerodynamic gizmos, the business of selling cars and not airplanes, the stupid v6 engines with bad sound, the taxi drivers, etc etc etc), finally comes the late summer early fall when we start using all sorts of excuses why this year it was not possible (my favorite being the 2 retirements in 2012 that montezemolo explained meant that ferrari only fought in 16 out of 18 races and therefore never had the fair chance to win). This strategy basically takes any responsibility off from the management, nobody even admits making bad decisions or bad cars.

personally i am sick of the tone and the approach that they show. i absolutely disagree with ferrari management in their assessment of f1, of the problems of f1 and of ferrari's role in the sport. shut the hell up, take responsibility for bad decisions, step down as a team principle, hire ross brawn as the new boss and start building better cars that are actually worth the talent of the drivers.

the problem in my opinion was that for a few years there was this dream of building a "latin" team, even this term was once used by LdM to describe ferrari driver lineup vs the other teams. In the modern world. teams are multinational organisms built only with one and only one vision, that of winning. LdM i believe had some nationalist agenda he tried to shove down our throats, and now that he failed, we are paying the price for it... Ferrari is again becoming a multinational organisation, but the years wasted and expertise lost are still hurting the team.

this is an outsider's opinion, obviously i do not know what goes on inside the team, but from where i stand, this is how it seems.


1) everyone wants to say Ferrari has the highest budget and spends the most money and this is not always true. Red Bull spend as much money as Ferrari, so does Mercedes.

2) Domenicali is not a total failure and has done a lot to better the team. He inherited a team that was not prepared for the new F1 which started in 2009. Bottom line is Brawn & Todt did not have the team prepared for the future. Much of this is because of Fiorano but it is still fact. It takes years to put in place the infrastructure needed which is what SD has been doing.

3) The engine(ICE) is fine, it is the ERS systems that are the problem. It is not difficult to build powerful V6 Turbo engine. It is difficult to make MGU-K, MGU-H & Energy Store work flawless with the ICE.

I'm not toting any party lines, only giving you a objective opinion about the current problems of Ferrari.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:40

Well, all you SD haters out there finally got your wish.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:43

1) everyone wants to say Ferrari has the highest budget and spends the most money and this is not always true. Red Bull spend as much money as Ferrari, so does Mercedes.
 

 

May I intervene that this is arguable in a sense of Red Bull are definitely spending more. Also, no one mentions in financial reports that subsidiaries are contributing lots of know-how, and given this the new 2014 unit of Merc is reaching the astronomical $500 million of RnD cost plus around three years development. 
So, I mean, if Ferrari invest money - they will get a return. Whether money are invested in people, tools, or similar. If they have invested, but haven't got the desired return, then this s a management problem - you have the budget, it's your job to select people and put practices together to make a winning team. 



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:14

Not able to understand why an MBA/HR specialist can not run an engineering company like Ferrari. TP's main responsibilities are to run the company in the direction defined by the board aka implementing the strategy, acquiring right talent in doing so, providing right team environment and budget. Push the team's boundaries and put team's interest first before than any thing else. Dom is a good guy but does not have killer instincts to be a TP. 



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:33

Does anyone have that picture of Di Montezemolo looking at Domenicali like he's going to kill him? It was taken last weekend in Bahrain



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:35

Does anyone have that picture of Di Montezemolo looking at Domenicali like he's going to kill him? It was taken last weekend in Bahrain


You can find it from caption topic.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:40

Now that Bob Bell left Mercedes, Ferrari need to react. 

 

Having him alongside Allison would be a major boost. 


Edited by Cyanide, 14 April 2014 - 13:40.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:42

You can find it from caption topic.

 

thanks!



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:45

A lot of people act as if the team principal is like a CEO or something.  That somehow he does the "business side" or something.  That's not the case.  The team principal's job is to lead engineers.

 

Would you have an hr person direct a brain surgery by a team of brain surgeons?  No, because he wouldn't know enough about brain surgery to do the job as well as others could.  At minimum, a team principal needs to come from a background in racing.  This new guy doesn't even have that.  Looks like a typical appointment from a big ego and low understanding of engineering (LdM).


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:52

A lot of people act as if the team principal is like a CEO or something.  That somehow he does the "business side" or something.  That's not the case.  The team principal's job is to lead engineers.
 
Would you have an hr person direct a brain surgery by a team of brain surgeons?  No, because he wouldn't know enough about brain surgery to do the job as well as others could.  At minimum, a team principal needs to come from a background in racing.  This new guy doesn't even have that.  Looks like a typical appointment from a big ego and low understanding of engineering (LdM).

Flavio managed to lead his teams to 4 driver titles and 3 constructor titles.

I don't quite understand it either, but it doesn't seem to be a role where engineering expertise is absolutely required.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:52

instead of diagnosing the cause of Headache and cure it ... Ferrari (and/or LDM) opted to cut of the head ... so depressing  :(

 

edit : it seems SD chose to take the long walk alone ... still doesn't change the outcome. Ferrari is a headless chicken running aimlessly. 


Edited by eronrules, 14 April 2014 - 14:10.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 13:54

instead of diagnosing the cause of Headache and cure it ... Ferrari (i.e LDM) opted to cut of the head ... so depressing  :(

 

LDM did nothing. In fact, he ask to Domenicali to stay, but the latter refuse. I think Domenicali know that the PU problem will not be fixed, that's why he refuse to stay.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:06

Bob Bell was team principal at Renault after the crashgate in 2009. Could he replace Domenicali now that he left Mercedes?



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:09

LDM did nothing. In fact, he ask to Domenicali to stay, but the latter refuse. I think Domenicali know that the PU problem will not be fixed, that's why he refuse to stay.

just read James allen's report on that matter, it seems to be the case. but it doesn't change the outcome and the 'diagnosis' is still unclear.  :(



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:22

Bob Bell was team principal at Renault after the crashgate in 2009. Could he replace Domenicali now that he left Mercedes?

they already found the ferrari NA chief ... IIRC. 

 

2014 is gone, we can see that. but some people are saying that Mattiacci is a temporary solution and ferrari are trying to court others. 

 

but the big consequence of all this is, this will seriously hamper ferrari's 2015 campaign, and possibly 2016 as well. what if this HR guy comes in and starts making changes in the name of 'smoothing out' the organisation ??? SD did the internal management of ferrari and he atleast knew what everyone was doing. this guy will take better part of half a year to get acquinted and than other half to make decisions.

 

the way i see is, pat fry, alliosn, nicholas and possibly collagani along with massimo will probably try to stabilize the team by taking partial responsibilites and perhaps making reports to Mattiacci. that's the logical thing to do. SD's absence on the grid or pitwall won't make much of a difference, there are qualified people for that. what Ferrari needs to make sure is to keep quiet and calm within the team itself cause sometimes such rushed resignation of a head of an organisation and subsequent appointment of new head sparks fear of being laid off or being made redundant or sacking. that said, ferrari is an italian organisation ... so fingers crossed.

 

finally, good luck to Stefano D. i'll admit that i never really got behind ferrari, one major reason i support ferrari now is obviously Kimi raikkone, ferrari gave him the opporunity to win a title. but there are a few good F1 i saw and SD is one of them . he always seemed to have that kind of grandpa attitute towards caring for the team. i've watched many of his press briefings after the races and have to say, he was way more modest compared to JT or RB in the past. he was a likeable guy and cared for the survival of the Formula 1 as a whole along with MW. i won't say i'll miss him as this is the piranha club and we'll probably forget him within 1/2 races. but good luck  to his future. hopefully he remains with Gestione sportiva in some capacity and not shoved aside and buried like MW. 



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:26

Does anyone have that picture of Di Montezemolo looking at Domenicali like he's going to kill him? It was taken last weekend in Bahrain

If you see the video that still was taken from, you'll see he was looking at someone else and breaks into a smile immediately.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:45

Well, it appears to me Ferrari is simply returning to their prior Modus Operandi prior to the Schumi/Brawn/Todt era. Slowly but surely they're returning to the same philosphy, the same manner of working, the same intimidation tactics from the top brass. LdM is the biggest "problem" with Ferrari, but thats a problem theyll have forever, because he will never recognize that HE is the source of their issues. They only excelled when there was a strong subculture that went about things in an efficient way without constant threats from the top brass. LdM didnt like the loss of power when Todt/Schumi/Brawn ran things, and wanted to intervene and restore the "italianness" to Ferrari. Well, you've got it Luca. Don't bitch now.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:50

LDM did nothing. In fact, he ask to Domenicali to stay, but the latter refuse. I think Domenicali know that the PU problem will not be fixed, that's why he refuse to stay.


I don't believe this. I think LdM decided to fire Domenicali and gave him the option to resign considering he has been with the team for so long. I do not buy that he was asked to stay but decided to resign.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:54

I really cannot understand how was Ross Brawn NOT given this position back in 2008....

 

Perhaps he didn't want it.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:56

I don't believe this. I think LdM decided to fire Domenicali and gave him the option to resign considering he has been with the team for so long. I do not buy that he was asked to stay but decided to resign.

 

somehow, the sudden appointment of Mattiacci suggest to me that ferrari might have been sort of taken by surprise. but i also feel that LDM perhaps gave SD an ultimatum and after the bahrain fiasco, he might have exchanged some 'Godfather' dialog and SD decided to take the safe option to bail out. it saved LDM's face and also perhaps helped to portrait SD as a martyr . we'll have to wait more to leak from Leo turini and others for confirmation on that. 



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:57

 

Well, all you SD haters out there finally got your wish.

That kind of comment that ignores the reasons deserves this: if i had a champagne bottle here...



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 14:57

I don't believe this. I think LdM decided to fire Domenicali and gave him the option to resign considering he has been with the team for so long. I do not buy that he was asked to stay but decided to resign.

 

Agreed - this is precisely why Ron's handling of Whitmarsh was indicative of bigger things. You do not "just fire" a long-serving, highly-public employee.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 15:09

Does anyone really think Ferrari will salvage anything from this year. The decision should have been taken long before this season started. There are still certain suspects that need to be exterpated from the present set up, Marmorini and Fry being at the top of the list.

#576 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 19:47

More than what's wrong with Ferrari, this thread reveals what's wrong with some people.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 21:05

Mattiacci certainly seems like a place-filler and I would rather seen someone with connections to the sport/industry, sad to say but everything points towards this being another lost year for Ferrari.

Can't say I'm sad to see that Domenicali is stepping down though, he's been team principal since 2008 and even if he would have taken over a team in shambles (which is far from the truth) that's ample time to rebuild the team.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:50

This reeks of a team that doesn't seem to know how to solve its current performance vows. Striving to be establish yourself as the second best team won't fill Alonso with faith that he can fight for WDC this year.

 

 

Pat Fry:

"Currently, our first priority is to establish ourselves as the second best team," Fry toldESPN ahead of this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix."

"We are looking at all areas of the car - power unit, aero, suspension. We are trying to make as big a step as we can for each and every race."

"Since the Bahrain race, it's been a very busy time for us, as we examined all areas of car performance from the power unit to suspension configurations and aerodynamic improvements."

"We are naturally working as hard as we can on closing the gap to the top teams, with Mercedes having a reasonable lead over the rest of the field. We know what we have to do. The people are pushing 100 percent, but it takes time."

http://www.planetf1....to-2014-rethink



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:55

This reeks of a team that doesn't seem to know how to solve its current performance vows. Striving to be establish yourself as the second best team won't fill Alonso with faith that he can fight for WDC this year.

 

I prefer that than lies telling us that they can reach Mercedes. Alonso no matter what he says to the press, he knows the crude reality of this year, he is not delusional.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:15

Quite an amusing article from Maurice Hamilton...

 

"Di Montezemolo really ought to take a look in the mirror (I mean that, of course, in the metaphorical sense rather than the practical, with which he is well acquainted)."

 

:D 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:57

Quite an amusing article from Maurice Hamilton...

 

"Di Montezemolo really ought to take a look in the mirror (I mean that, of course, in the metaphorical sense rather than the practical, with which he is well acquainted)."

 

:D 

 

An excellent article.

 

Luca is what is wrong with Ferrari. Despite his past achievements, what's he done lately? Fired and rehired Kimi, fired Costa, pointlessly and publicly antagonised Alonso and generally undermined his TP with his utterly ridiculous, showy interventions. He should either take the job of TP on himself and accept the accompanying pressures and responsibilities or stop meddling and back off completely.

 

He has tried blame everyone in Maranello for Ferrari's shortcomings but now there' s no-one left to pin the blame on but himself.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:13

I'm getting more than a bit sick of ferrari's whinging about new f1 rules. It's their fault they messed up the engine and I wouldn't be surprised if their politicking is because they realise they're not going to be able to compete for a couple of years after which engine parity should be achieved. It's ironic really as the team have been clamouring for aerodynamics not to be the dominant factor, now the power train is the most important thing they're still whinging. All of their noise I think is deflecting from the fact that they're an operation in freefall. They've not made a decent car since 2008 and Alonso has been the only thing keeping the team respectable. The fix they need isn't a quick one, it's a long term one, it seems that there is something fundamentally wrong at the heart of Ferrari and it'll take time to fix. They need to look at what red bull and then merc did after them, rebuilding the organisation from the bottom up. I remember so many posts on here about mercs 'too many cooks' but looking at what they've achieved maybe Ferrari need to follow suit and hire more technical heads. Unavoidably the dream team has to be Newey and brawn. It is staggering to see how many of the winning cars from the last twenty years have had the involvement of these two men. It's worth remembering that the mac of 2007/8 had Newey DNA in it too. I know it's a push for them to be able to get those two but something radical needs to happen for Ferrari to turn it around any time soon.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:20

di Montezemolo's recent input to Ferrari has been to publicly undermine various team members, including drivers, and to use the car as an ad-board for his political aspirations.  Now he has selected somebody new for the TP position but is going to sit on their shoulder rather than having the confidence to let them get on with the job in hand.  He'll pour scorn on anybody (and anything- the actual sport being his latest target) except having a look in the mirror, which would help him identify where part of the problem lies.


Edited by P123, 16 April 2014 - 12:21.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:21

An excellent article.

Luca is what is wrong with Ferrari. Despite his past achievements, what's he done lately? Fired and rehired Kimi, fired Costa, pointlessly and publicly antagonised Alonso and generally undermined his TP with his utterly ridiculous, showy interventions. He should either take the job of TP on himself and accept the accompanying pressures and responsibilities or stop meddling and back off completely.

He has tried blame everyone in Maranello for Ferrari's shortcomings but now there' s no-one left to pin the blame on but himself.


A very good article, his complaints are comical and you have to wonder how long alonso will put up with it all.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 14:13

 

... fired Costa...

 

Really? who fired Costa was Domenicali to save his ass. Montezemolo only had to intervene - several times  not the best way - because cars under Domenicali were in trouble. 

 

 If it wasn't for it he would have his mouth shut.

 

 

The article is reads like a Cosmo article. Excellent?! it does not say anything except one more time to fail to recognize that the head of Scuderia Ferrari is Domenicali not anyone else. I wonder why British media like Domenicali...



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 14:17

If you'd asked me a week ago, what I think Ferrari SHOULDN'T do,  I would've said - get rid of Stefano and get Luca more involved in the F1 side of things...

 

I guess this goes to show you, you can complain about Stefano, Aldo, Pat, but once they're gone, there's no guarentee you'll get a Brawn or a Byrne to

replace them.  Sometimes you get a Luca, and then you secretly wish you had shut the hell up!



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 14:55

Me too i don't understand why the love with Domenicali. Perhaps because Ferrari is loosing since he is ( was ) the boss... And for Costa... Thanks god he is not at Ferrari. He would be a major asset if he works on the mechanical side ( suspension ) because his cars always had massive traction and were always good on the tyres. But Technical director ? No thanks, i remember the F 2005, F60, F150.. Ferrari were always last to develop the car ( not in 2010 ), and with the insane amount of laps they were doing during 2011 pre season, to be TWO seconds of the pace on the hard tyres at Barcelona and be lapped while Alonso was leading the race after the first stint, it was enough. I remember Melbourne 2011, the big shock to see Ferrari way behind Red Bull and Mclaren, who were nowhere during testing with reliability problem. The car was all over the place all weekend, like this year car. They were doing 110 laps each day of testing, Costa was saying " great day, no reliability problem, we were doing tyres comparison " blablabla and they were 6 tenths behind Hamilton after the Quali. Ferrari was going to a dead end with Costa.

 

Since Fry took over, the race operation ( strategy, pit stop, reliability ) is first class. No other team is better than Ferrari since Fry is there. This year Ferrari pit stop is the fastest by far. They never put a foot wrong, they always made the right decision, at the right moment. The chassis of the car is good for the first time since the F 2008. For the first time since the F2008 the car have a good quali pace. The only weakness ( and a big one, and it's a big shame for Ferrari if we take account LDM complaint about to much aero ) is the PU; i don't know if they will fix it but for me, Ferrari are really on the right track for the first time since 2008. Six years.  And i forget James Allison who will built the F15 T or whatever the name.

 

In 2011 - 2012 and last year, they had a useless wind tunnel, a poor chassis, these cars were fast but under specific conditiion ( in 2011 only in hot temperature, 2012 only when the car was full of fuel, last year only before Silverstone tyre change ), they had a poor quali pace, poor traction, poor usage of the hard tyres etc.. Too much problems.

 

Now they have two problems :

- They need a boss, a leader who will put the right engineer at the right place, a manager

- They need a good PU, they have to invest to find or poach more engineer especially on the electric side.

 

And for those who speak bad about LDM... If Ferrari is considered as a winning championship team it's because he was and is a fantastic boss. Yes i speak too much, he hate loosing, he put some pressure on the team, but it's because he put this pressure that Ferrari is always at the front. It's because of this pressure that in few week they turn the F2012 from Clifford to a race winning car. I bet Mateschitz put the same pressure on the team, i bet Dennis was doing the same at Mclaren and next year he will do the same. Without pressure you can't win in this sport.

Without Montezemolo, no dream team. No dream team, mean perhaps Ferrari now would have been like Williams or worst. He came, he put a wonderful structure, who allow Ferrari to progress and dominate. Thanks to LDM, Ferrari don't have to fight to found some sponsors, they don't have some money problem like some teams, they can build their car, their engines, and give to others teams their engines. They are doing this since LDM is there, they never quit because they were not winning like Toyota, BMW, Honda.  With this work, each year we can say " Ferrari will be at the front for sure ", not like Williams and perhaps Mclaren. It's seems some person here don't know who he is, and what he has done for Ferrari.


Edited by Massa, 16 April 2014 - 15:24.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 16:58

For those who think LdM has not been around: https://www.youtube....Wx5gaGYH4#t=152

LdM as Ferrari team manager trying to get the rainy 1975 GP of Austria stopped for safety reasons.

 

Whole video is recommended - I just managed to upload this only 15 years after it was aired. Have fun.



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Posted 19 April 2014 - 05:31

Some interesting points here. Fry has improved the on track operation in that Ferrari more often get strategy decisions right. However all the eulogising on the chassis is misguided. Yes they have a good chassis but Mercedes and Red Bull have outstanding chassis platforms. I would say Ferrari's chassis is on par with the Lotus E22, ironic really as Lotus weer a team in disarray at the end of last year.

 As for the PU; that subject has been flogged to death and if you can excuse the pun, there is nothing to be learned from the second kick of a dead horse.



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Posted 11 May 2014 - 18:39

So we hit the re-boot button on the management side. We hired two top pilots. What's next?

I believe we need to update the culture at the technical area, on the operational level. Freedom to innovate, fast decisions and faultless, well supported, execution is what we need to turn around the development on the technical side.

Sad to see it was not just Massa and Dom that kept the hand break applied at the team. We need to dig deep.

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 19:03

Flavio on board, yes it is crazy but no one is suitable on horizon, forget Brawn he is heading possibly to fia organization.


Edited by katmen, 11 May 2014 - 19:03.


#592 topical

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 19:12

Briatore is an old man. F1 has changed a lot since he's been away, he belongs to the past and Ferrari are too conscious of the brand to bring in a man with mud attached to his name after 2008.



#593 Longtimefan

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 19:33

The pace of the cars today was depressing.

 

I'm not a Ferrari fan or a fan of their drivers but for the good of the sport we need a competitive Ferrari so we can see two great drivers at their best.



#594 Cesc

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:29

So we hit the re-boot button on the management side. We hired two top pilots. What's next?

I believe we need to update the culture at the technical area, on the operational level. Freedom to innovate, fast decisions and faultless, well supported, execution is what we need to turn around the development on the technical side.

Sad to see it was not just Massa and Dom that kept the hand break applied at the team. We need to dig deep.

 

That's what worries me more, the F14T may be getting similar performance than the Toro Rosso if it had Vergne and Kvyat on board...


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#595 Cesc

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:41

I think this will be the last of a long period of miseries for Ferrari. The team has been downhill since 2008. Only Alonso's performances have hidden the reality. If Alonso leaves (and if this continues like this, I think we will try a last title shot somewhere else) the team will probably not be fancy enough for Vettel or Hamilton. Look at McLaren. 



#596 turssi

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 16:05

I believe Mattiacci will have his list ready for the summer break. If the list is longer or shorter than this thread I can not say. But it will surely act as a turning point for the team.