Despite the fact that Massa outscored Kimi over their time at Ferrari, there were significant politics involved. I don't think Felipe is anywhere near the level of the Finn. Does that make he and Button mediocre? I see both in the middle group today, so I suppose I do.
Fair play, I disagree about Button and maybe Massa. But, I do respect that you are not sitting on the fence and giving clear and concise opinions
I am not a expert on the Kimi/Ferrari situation if I am totally honest, I do know there is one significant difference between Massa vs Kimi, and Lewis vs Jenson. On the road one partnership was seemingly closer in pace than the other. Lewis beat Jenson 23-13 in races ahead when both finished, whereas Massa beat Kimi 16-14 when both finished.
Now if you think that the "significant politics" were the reason Massa had slightly better overall pace, then there is nothing else to be said on the matter for now. I might end up looking back and agreeing if things work out a certain way. If Bottas shows up Massa this year, I might end up agreeing in general. Kimi was bossing Massa until 2008 when the "politics" were speculated to begin, and has bossed other teammates like JPM, Romain and D.C.
Another thing to look for is how close Kimi is to Alonso, that could tell us a lot as well.
For now though I am not sure if Massa is indeed mediocre, I need to see a bit more of him against someone not named Alonso to form a opinion I would be comfortable in committing to.
Edited by sennafan24, 08 March 2014 - 02:42.