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#3901 race addicted

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:36

Definitely a huge step forward this weekend. Encouraging! Now another one for Spain!

 

...but Red Bull are still faster....



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#3902 SCUDmissile

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:46

That was a very good step forward.

I do think maybe the track helped, as in Sepang Fernando wasn't far off the RedBulls either, but I think genuine progress has been made.

On to Spain, where hopefully even more progress can be made! Although we can expect the other teams to also bring major upgrades.

 

Disappointed with Kimi's race, he keeps having sh*tty Fridays. Let's hope this stops.


Edited by SCUDmissile, 20 April 2014 - 09:47.


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Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:56

Mercedes have at the very least a second in the pocket. I'm just glad the Ferrari has improved and hopefully they can make further gains in Barcelona to get them clear of the rest of the field.

Hope they can maintain their momentum carry forward but I remember Rosberg chasing Alonso after first pit stop, Martin did comment he was once 2.1 sec faster on certain lap. 



#3904 steferrari

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:58

Good step forward in this weekend, I'm happy.

Now keep pushing, there's 3 weeks until Barcelona where I hope to see more improvements.

 

Forza Ferrari !  :)



#3905 Watkins74

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:00

No need for the "I told you so".

Actually, yes. Told you guys that Ferrari (ALO) had great pace. RAI was nowhere, but I think it's more down to him and his lack of adaptability than to the car. Wear was much better, energy recovery was good. Still lacking a little bit in downforce, but things are looking great. I think my earlier prediction of regular podium contenders by Spain is definitely on the money here.

 

Very happy for ALO. Great race!

 

I am usually not a fan of people patting themselves on the back but you have earned it. Some people gave you some real grief when you made your statements.



#3906 slmk

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:06

I am usually not a fan of people patting themselves on the back but you have earned it. Some people gave you some real grief when you made your statements.

 

I usually don't like to do that either, but yeah, just wanted to set the record straight.  :cat:

 

So any news on the Barcelona upgrade package? Any particular direction?

 

Will Ferrari focus slightly on making the car a bit more to Kimi's liking? Finishing a minute behind his teammate is definitely not going to go down well at Maranello.


Edited by slmk, 20 April 2014 - 10:08.


#3907 Flamini

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:32

Fantastic surprise  :clap: The last time I felt so good after the race? Malaysia 2012.



#3908 jokuvaan

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:36

Kimi said that tyres felt ok maybe few laps during the entire race, he was also told to save fuel due to some problem.



#3909 Goron3

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:40

if a small update took us past Red Bull and others, I really do think that the Spain update will put us right up there. With more downforce and improved traction/top speed (from the next PU update) we will be VERY strong in Spain, a track that will suit us well.



#3910 Richard T

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:41

Great job by Fernando, he is really a fighter. The way he executed this race and pushed when he had to was magnificent!  :clap:



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:54

Ferrari with a completely new car in Barcelona according to Rai.



#3912 2014wdc

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:56

i just hope that in Barcelona's test we focus in making the car as fast as we can...and not finding the sweet setup for Kimi



#3913 Ferrari2183

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:01

i just hope that in Barcelona's test we focus in making the car as fast as we can...and not finding the sweet setup for Kimi

They have to do both. Besides a better car will go along way to alleviating Kimi's problems.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:01

Told you Gary Anderson was shit!!!! From now on if Gary Anderson praises your team, go into a prayer session



#3915 2014wdc

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:06

Told you Gary Anderson was shit!!!! From now on if Gary Anderson praises your team, go into a prayer session

lol i feel the same...

If Anderson start saying that Ferrari has a great car...than we are in trouble



#3916 fernandokimimichael

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:14

What a start form Alo! He is a bull, a fantastic guy, the best driver in the world! I am so sorry for him for having such a bad car year after year! He deserves more titles! I can"t say any more than he's been the best driver in the world for a few years now.



#3917 Seanspeed

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:22

I think the Red Bull was still a bit better here, but Alonso made the difference.  Amazing effort. 

 

And I do think we've made progress.  Track did flatter us a bit, but if we can have another nice step in Barcelona, I'd say we could start threatening the podium on a more regular basis.   



#3918 aray

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:14

all i want is better traction..that's the crucial thing Alonso needs to...he can mask lots of deficiencies of a car,but  not that one..

by the way is the Barcelona test before or after Spanish GP...?


Edited by aray, 20 April 2014 - 12:16.


#3919 ballow

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:20

Congrats to Ferrari on now having the 2nd best car.

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#3920 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:21

Congrats to Ferrari on now having the 2nd best car.


A little premature, don't you think?

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:27

I think Fernando had a great start and got track position over redbull by using the undercut at the pit stops.   I don't think Ferrari have the second best car yet.   Redbull should have had the podium with better strategy and better team work. 



#3922 ballow

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:30

I think the Red Bull was still a bit better here, but Alonso made the difference.  Amazing effort. 
 
And I do think we've made progress.  Track did flatter us a bit, but if we can have another nice step in Barcelona, I'd say we could start threatening the podium on a more regular basis.   


I can argue that RB is not that good as DR made all the difference thanks to his 2 second gap to his team mate who is 4 x wdc. Imagine he was not driving for RB no one would have rated them that highly.

#3923 zapppa83

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:53

I said a podium was realistic. ZAPPPA-GARY ANDERSON 1-0. :clap:



#3924 BorkoF2012

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:55

Some Kimi fans yesterday said that Alonso is de facto team principal in Ferrari, that he is actually the one who replaced Domenicali.. Well:

 

Q: The podium here, what can you promise your home fans at the next grand prix at home?
FA:
We need to see. We need to remain very calm.

 

:p


Edited by BorkoF2012, 20 April 2014 - 12:55.


#3925 JazH

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 13:00

Some Kimi fans yesterday said that Alonso is de facto team principal in Ferrari, that he is actually the one who replaced Domenicali.. Well:

 

Q: The podium here, what can you promise your home fans at the next grand prix at home?
FA:
We need to see. We need to remain very calm.

 

:p

 

:rotfl:  

 

I love the fact that 'remaining calm' is the primary fallback to any question.



#3926 vista

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 13:01

The new wheel hubs from F1 website:

 

Ferrari introduced a new front axle and brake duct assembly in Shanghai that bleeds airflow from the brake cooling duct through a duct in the centre of the axle. The idea is to direct this airflow through the axle so that it exits just behind the front tyre, into a low pressure area where the flow is coming away from the ground. When working correctly, this concept will make brake cooling much more efficient and will also reduce the overall drag of the car. However, it is by no means a new idea - Williams used it in 2013 and Red Bull currently run a similar system.



#3927 ZionLH

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 13:03

A little premature, don't you think?

 yea he's being sarky but anyway nice to see a red car up there again. Great performance from the team and Alonso. I just hope Kimi can come to grips(no pun) with the car. I read his interview and he seems to be struggling with tyre temps more than anything at the moment. I gather this car strays towards front limited tracks 



#3928 Konsta

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 13:05

That was a very good step forward.
I do think maybe the track helped, as in Sepang Fernando wasn't far off the RedBulls either, but I think genuine progress has been made.
On to Spain, where hopefully even more progress can be made! Although we can expect the other teams to also bring major upgrades.
 
Disappointed with Kimi's race, he keeps having sh*tty Fridays. Let's hope this stops.

If only Kimi had a trouble-free weekend. The reliability of his car has been just appalling. I don't know how much the need to save fuel cost but for sure it did not make him faster.

This weekend's score consisted of something causing the misding of entire FP1, a glitch with gearbox in quali and then something amiss with fuel system in the race. Totally unacceptable I'd say.

Well, OTOH Fred showed what can be achieved with the car so it's not only doom and gloom :-)

#3929 TheJuan

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 13:27

Fernando is a beast. When running in 2nd I bet Lewis was like "WTF! What is he doing there? How can he be in 2nd?!"

 

For a driver with a quicker car... it's got to be disheartening to know that this guy is always going to be there to try to capitalize on your brain farts.  

 

I think Alonso's going to be able to retire knowing that he genuinely tried to improve his last lap. He is going to be remembered.


Edited by TheJuan, 20 April 2014 - 13:30.


#3930 Mally11

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 13:32

Again the trend contines for Raikkonen as one of the unluckiest drivers out there. Another problem hindered weekend where things are out of his control.

At the start of the season he said that "clean weekends" are needed for good races and results and Alonso has had that 100% so far except for Bahrain qualifying.

If the issue in FP1 had not happened he would have been in a much better place to challenge and have more pace. I think he did well to finish 8th in a car that he said was incostistant.

Alonso showed the best of the cars potential today and if Kimi get's some more luck then a great fight with Red Bull for 2nd in the WCC will ensue.

Spain is a crucial weekend for both Raikkonen and Ferrari. They both need a clean weekend to test the new upgrades and also to make full use of the track time at the two day test session to correct these recent struggles.

At the minute it's Ferrari that's letting Kimi down and not the other way round.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 13:34

Fernando is a beast. When running in 2nd I bet Lewis was like "WTF! What is he doing there? How can he be in 2nd?!"

 

For a driver with a quicker car... it's got to be disheartening to know that this guy is always going to be there to try to capitalize on your brain farts.  

 

I think Alonso's going to be able to retire knowing that he genuinely tried to improve his last lap. He is going to be remembered.

??? I am sure Lewis did not give him a second thought, he was more than likely laughing to himself knowing his team mate would soon breeze past him, which Ros did without much trouble.



#3932 mardmarium

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 14:36

I am glad for the team; they need this pill of motivation.

 

I donĀ“t think Ferrari is the second best car at the moment, the team did a good job during the race and Alonso was in his beast mode, Red Bull lost time when Ricciardo was behind Vettel for example. Alonso was quite serious in the podium, maybe he was thinking of Domenicali but even so, quite serious, so I am going to remain calm (as Domenicali and Alonso say   :))



#3933 kosmos

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 14:56

Fernando said on the Spanish TV that Domenicali's hand will be present in everything the team do until july/august.



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 15:26

Well, Alonso flattered the F14T today.  It was clearly not as quick as the Red Bull but he got every ounce out of it, as usual.

 

After Bahrain, I would have been ecstatic if Ferrari made it to the podium at least once this season.  Thank goodness it did!



#3935 Massa

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:13

Did you see the fuel consumption ? Almost on par with the Mercedes powered car. The software update work well, i cant wait for Barcelona.. If the big update work, with a better traction we can see a big step forward in ter of laptime gain, 8 tenths or more.
And no need to wait to see if the Ferrari pace is real, you have just to watch the car, she is very stable and seems easy to drive for the first time of the season. Before she was looking like the F2012 of Jerez test.

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:17

Brazilian TV said the new fat brake ducts made all the difference in terms of relative performance.

 

Was impressed in how Mercedes would gain on Ferrari on the straights and how Ferrari gained on Red Bull on the straights (no need to say what Mercedes did to Red Bull).

 

Finally, I was amazed how Alonso was gained 0.3 seconds on Rosberg on the first part of the first corner. Had the car had a bit more traction power (there might be a compromise on design), he would be able to fight Rosberg really. Hamilton is just out of reach.



#3937 grunge

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:17

Kimi really pissed off at the motivation question...understandably so...when will these so called journos stop this nonsense.

Raikkonen: 'Result f**k all to do with motivation'

http://www.f1times.c...s/display/08791

#3938 topical

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:24

Great drive by Alonso and a good step forward by the team. But this just brings them back to their usual best-of-the-rest spot. More big leaps are needed, and soon, because the way Alonso is schooling Raikkonen once again shows what a waste of his talent it has been driving Ferrari cars these last few years. He deserves a winning car and a title with this team.



#3939 quasi C

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:25

I think the best thing to take away is that it appears the WT is finally delivering parts that actually tangibly improve the car, though I guess most of the improvement so far has come from PU software.


Edited by quasi C, 20 April 2014 - 16:28.


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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:39

Told you Gary Anderson was shit!!!! From now on if Gary Anderson praises your team, go into a prayer session

+1

 

You have to question the writer's bias (or prejudice, or igorance) when they start a story with a line like this:

 

" today might have been more about a few positive headlines for new team principal Marco Mattiacci "...

 

Like a bad result for race day - when it counts - will be tempered by Friday practice results.  I know Ferrari are behind, but they're not idiots either! Like Alonso would waste his time with a few glory runs just to flatter the new boss - just ridiculous!



#3941 ingegnere

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:49

Well, Alonso flattered the F14T today.  It was clearly not as quick as the Red Bull but he got every ounce out of it, as usual.

 

After Bahrain, I would have been ecstatic if Ferrari made it to the podium at least once this season.  Thank goodness it did!

 

Why did he not flatter the F14T last race, then?

 

Unlike a taxi driver, it's the race driver's job to get every ounce of performance out of the car.

 

Maybe Ricciardo flattered the RBR, too and got every ounce out of it - to the point of pissing off Vettel.

 

Or, maybe, the F14T just got a little bit better and on a track that suits it better?


Edited by ingegnere, 20 April 2014 - 17:00.


#3942 ingegnere

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 16:54

Did you see the fuel consumption ? Almost on par with the Mercedes powered car.

Hamilton used less then everybody... except Bottas, who apparently used no fuel at all according to FIA graphics, ha-ha.

 

They're all going to use the max allowed fuel - controlling the consumption so as not to run dry.  The big difference is how much power/ speed you get from that amount of fuel used.



#3943 AustinF1

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 17:03

Well...so. Much better result today, and I'm not all that surprised. Judging from practice, I thought coming into the race that Ferrari had made a big step and would be running with or maybe a bit better than RBR and that's exactly what happened today.

On the NBC broadcast, David Hobbs seemed to think the order of quickness is now Merc, RBR, Force India, and then Ferrari. Not sure what he's smoking...but hey, it IS 4/20. RIC only started to catch up ALO near the end because Alonso was cruising & conserving the car. Whenever he wanted to maintain the gap, he seemed to be able to do so with ease. I don't see anything from this race that would indicate RBR was quicker. Ferrari outpaced RBR over the race distance pretty handily & finished 30s+ ahead of the first Force India.

 

Ferrari was 2nd quickest all weekend.



#3944 AustinF1

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 17:07

Why did he not flatter the F14T last race, then?

 

Unlike a taxi driver, it's the race driver's job to get every ounce of performance out of the car.

 

Maybe Ricciardo flattered the RBR, too and got every ounce out of it - to the point of pissing off Vettel.

 

Or, maybe, the F14T just got a little bit better and on a track that suits it better?

Yeah, I don't follow the logic that RBR were quicker. Like I said, Ferrari was 2nd quickest all weekend. 

 

ETA: I'm as big a fan of Alonso as anyone is, trust me. But I think the mistake many people make, even commentators who should know better, is thinking that he's getting more from the car than it should be able to deliver. What he's truly great at compared to so many others is getting what is available from the car. Look at the difference between him and Kimi today. I expected Alonso to handle him this year, but never to dominate him like this.


Edited by AustinF1, 20 April 2014 - 17:19.


#3945 Gintonious

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 18:13

Good job by Fernando today, he can really get the most out of the car. Kimi really isn't having much fun at all.



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 18:34

With the european update we must be able to get a podium at each race.

Fernando showed today it can be done already. Kimi will now have a two day test to get up to speed. After that the tech team better guarantee trouble free weekends for both cars so that the points keep coming.

#3947 fernandokimimichael

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 19:07

Brazilian TV said the new fat brake ducts made all the difference in terms of relative performance.

 

Was impressed in how Mercedes would gain on Ferrari on the straights and how Ferrari gained on Red Bull on the straights (no need to say what Mercedes did to Red Bull).

 

Finally, I was amazed how Alonso was gained 0.3 seconds on Rosberg on the first part of the first corner. Had the car had a bit more traction power (there might be a compromise on design), he would be able to fight Rosberg really. Hamilton is just out of reach.

 

:D Our armchair experts here on the forum said the bract duct were going to harm the overall performance of the car cos they were producing more drag. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD



#3948 AlexS

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 20:06

This race was very conditioned by tire performance.

 

Don't make a mistake thinking this race is necessarily representative.

 

Alonso got them better than RBR,  and Kimi that got big problems with tires in all race. The fastest laps of Alonso and Kimi were only different by less than 0.3 and Alonso lap was much nearer the end of the race with less fuel.

 

But typical "normal laps" by Kimi were more than a second worse than Alonso.



#3949 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 23:03

The car seems to have improved a little relative to Force India and Williams.  Still absolutely miles away from Merc though, Rosberg's pace was massive when he properly pushed to catch Alonso.

 

It was an amazing performance from Alonso, that's for sure!  Kimi was anonymous, no doubt we'll spend the next two weeks discussing a million reasons why he's performing so badly and none of them will be that he's simply not doing a good enough job.



#3950 SirPaulGerman

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 23:13

Do you guys know what is going to happen to Bob Bell ? I think that Ferrari should offer a job