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Jenson Button vs Kevin Magnussen 2014


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#4001 Button4life

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 19:15

I worked that out from your alias, thanks.   ;)

 

 

Maybe you have a superiority complex or something, but to say the winner, on merit, in Belgium for example, was Magnussen, is ludicrous. He achieved that on track result by driving in a way that was against the rules. It was against the rules because it was an unfair advantage. So how can the unfair advantage be ignored and the win given when your supposed to be judging driver performance? (As opposed to simply data capturing who physically finished in front). This is even more insane than giving him the win when he artificially started in front due to a penalty advantage - at least the defence here can hide behind we don't know what might have happened. But if the gap starts at 5 places and ends as 3 the lead car has lost out relatively speaking. Tell me if I am not being objective. And finally if Magnussen is given a win despite crashing, well, lets just say a footballer that is red carded is seldom considered the man of the match...

Button retired in Singapore a few laps before the end, still you gave him the win because he would've finished ahead. The same thing happened to Magnussen in Monaco. So you give Button the win in Monaco and Magnussen in Signapore or Button in Singapore and Magnussen in Monaco. Giving Button the win in both races is very unfair.

 

You gave Button the win in USA, because he finished not far off Magnussen while having a 5 place grid penalty. He drove a better race than Magnussen, fair enough. Magnussen drove a better race than Button in Italy and Belgium, but got penalized. Still you give Button the win for those races. Giving Magnussen the win for USA and Button for Belgium and Italy is also fair.


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#4002 Button4life

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 19:18

He maybe won in Malaysia?

 

I'm not sure I believe that you are a Button fan. If you are, you're trying a little too hard to counteract your natural bias.

 

:lol:

I'm seriously a Button fan. I just always try to stay objective. 



#4003 Burtros

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 19:51

give Magnussen both the disputed races if you want. He still falls miles short of Button.



#4004 tkulla

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 19:55

Here's a metric I think is useful... laps ahead of teammate. This is a measure that doesn't really favor Jenson, since he doesn't focus much on Q and will conserve fuel and tyres in the race to finish strongly. With that said, the final tally is:

 

Button 733, Magnussen 369

 

Just short of double. The only teammate battle that is more lopsided using this data is Alonso/Raikkonen (854-155).

 

Surprisingly, Rosberg edged Hamilton 496-480, Riccaardo barely beat Seb 484-448, and Massa led Bottas 488-443. 

 

Other less-surprising battles: Hulk beat Perez 513-370, Sutil edged Gutierrez 390-357, Grosjean topped Maldanado 405-309, and Vergne pipped Kvyat 429-377.

 

 

Source: http://www.f1fanatic...er-form-guides/



#4005 Burtros

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 19:57

Does anyone actually have a stat where Magnussen is ahead? :rotfl: :rotfl:



#4006 CoinOperated

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:00

Does anyone actually have a stat where Magnussen is ahead? :rotfl: :rotfl:

 Amount of Danish supporters. I mean, I hope so.



#4007 Morgan00

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:01

Does anyone actually have a stat where Magnussen is ahead? :rotfl: :rotfl:

 

Probably not. I don't think anyone is disputing that Jenson has been comfortably better. 



#4008 Ricardo F1

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:01

I found a site that had the qualification 10-9 the wrong way round.

 

So according to tkulla Magnussen did better against his WDC team mate than an actual WDC did against theirs.  Impressive.

 

#LewisHamiltonreallysetupsomepretty****edexpectationsofwhatarookiecoulddo #andthatwasinanerawherehegottotest



#4009 Morgan00

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:04

 

Just short of double. The only teammate battle that is more lopsided using this data is Alonso/Raikkonen (854-155).

 

 

Source: http://www.f1fanatic...er-form-guides/

 

Wow... :eek:


Edited by Morgan00, 24 November 2014 - 20:04.


#4010 MP422

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:04

Does anyone actually have a stat where Magnussen is ahead? :rotfl: :rotfl:

 

Highest finishing position in a race, 2nd. :up:



#4011 Insane111

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:05

Who knows, but in a few weeks it might turn out to be Magnussen leading 1-0 on contracts for 2015. 



#4012 Burtros

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:06

Highest finishing position in a race, 2nd. :up:

 

Ahh yes, of course. Seems like a long old time ago now!



#4013 Burtros

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:06

Who knows, but in a few weeks it might turn out to be Magnussen leading 1-0 on contracts for 2015. 

 

LOL!!



#4014 DaBeRa

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:18

I'm danish and admit JB has a big edge on KM. I hope Kevin will have a chance to prove that his mishap or perhaps lack of talent was rookierelatet. Marginals belongs to experience. Speed are genes...



#4015 MP422

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:20

Ahh yes, of course. Seems like a long old time ago now!

 

You asked for one.  :up:  :lol:



#4016 sofarapartguy

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:24

I'm danish and admit JB has a big edge on KM. I hope Kevin will have a chance to prove that his mishap or perhaps lack of talent was rookierelatet. Marginals belongs to experience. Speed are genes...

 

That's the point - we barely seen it. 



#4017 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:27

I've no idea what that's supposed to mean.

 

I'm pretty sure that Kevin's done more testing than Jenson this year.

 

Yes

 

Button 2014 - 2027
Magnussen 2014 - 3700

 

:cool:



#4018 DaBeRa

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:43

Yes I understand KM dont belong in F1. My last comment will be that he has the hounor to have achived the only driven podium for McL 2014. Of course pure luck but still. If he is back we meet again. So long..



#4019 Montie

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:44

Belgium - Magnussen was penalised for cheating, so no. Them's the rules.
Monaco - Button overtook Magnussen so quite emphatically, no. If that's not beaten fair and square I don't know what is.
Malaysia - Kevin crashed again, so, err, no. Again.
Italy - Magnussen was penalised for cheating, so no. But, hey, yes, lets give him that one as I thought the penalty was harsh. 17-2. Has the world changed? (hint: No).


In Monaco Kevin lost power and Jenson passed him, Kimi ruined Kevin's race. Malaysia Kevin could have avoided Kimi and Kimi could have avoided Kevin. In Italy Bottas could have lifted and avoided cutting the chicane. In Belgium he pushed Alonso wide, it was a misunderstand as both was drafting a Caterham - even Alonso Said so. Singapore sure Button was ahead before his DNF, nobody here (as far as I recall) complimented Kevin for finishing in the point while enduring the heat from a broken radiator seal.. I think I remember even claiming he was lying to justify his poor race. Australia, Button alegedly got caught up in the yellow flag zone, that is the game right, if Button was so much better in Australia why did he not overtake Magnussen. Austin, Kevin finished ahead of Button, sure he had a gearbox penalty, but Magnussen finished ahead. I agree Button has done a better job this year, which he should and as how I personally expected. Your logic on placing wins are broken, seems to based more on emotions than anything else.

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#4020 Montie

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:48

Yes I understand KM dont belong in F1. My last comment will be that he has the hounor to have achived the only driven podium for McL 2014. Of course pure luck but still. If he is back we meet again. So long..

 

Kevin belongs in F1 without a doubt.



#4021 BARHonda006

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 20:55

Although he wasn't on the podium. Button was classified 3rd. A podium position.

#4022 DaBeRa

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 21:01

 the only driven podium for McL 2014 I did post.       The postrace **** are more stats...     My point is simple: Do remember 2014 sole podium .......At McLaren


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#4023 BARHonda006

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 21:04

Whatever....

#4024 DaBeRa

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 21:26

Do have some respect both ways. I personaly has joined the JB camp somehow. He's a great driver but not least a great individual...



#4025 Flatnaveg

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 22:29

Highest finishing position in a race, 2nd. :up:

  The first debutant since Hamilton, in 2007, to take a podium in their first Grand Prix and also making him the first rookie to finished second since Jacques Villleneuve  in 1996!  :clap:



#4026 desmoulins

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 22:41

  The first debutant since Hamilton, in 2007, to take a podium in their first Grand Prix and also making him the first rookie to finished second since Jacques Villleneuve  in 1996!  :clap:

Except he didn't. 



#4027 Flatnaveg

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 22:45

Except he didn't. 

?



#4028 Lights

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 22:47

Magnussen won in Belgium, Austria, USA, Italy and probably Monaco. Maybe Malaysia, so I won't count that 1.

I'm actually a Button fan...

 

Like others, I also disagree. I only put Magnussen down for Australia, Monaco and Austria.



#4029 DaBeRa

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 23:03

Here we go. Think KM did 2 or 3 in Aus according to race or jury.... :confused: But I might be missinformed by danish media....



#4030 Disgrace

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 01:40

This thread has reached the 4000 post limit. I think at this point, this discussion can safely be had in the Who will drive for McLaren in 2015? thread.