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#1 jjcale

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 15:11

Surprisingly no one has opened a thread for these two for far. I am a fan of both... NH for his talent and consistency and SP for his driving style. This will be a make or break season for SP and it will be yet another chance for NH to catch the attention of the big teams.  

 

First weekend goes convincingly to NH.



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#2 froggy22

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 15:26

Perez seemed to get caught up in the accident at turn 3 but there were no replays of it, so can only assume he and Gutierrez collided. Still, very impressed with Hulk once again.



#3 SpaMaster

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 15:28

I did not even realize during the race that Hulkenberg had a teammate!



#4 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 16:22

Just bad luck for Pérez this weekend. Though during quali it was his own mistake, he could have made Q3.



#5 bub

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 16:23

Hulk looking better so far.



#6 Jimisgod

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 16:28

Did Perez even turn up today?

Magnussen takes his old seat and does what Checo could not do in a whole season.

My bet is Hulk will move up the grid to a new team in 2015, and Perez will be the new Sutil (but with 3 more podiums).

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 16:33

Did Perez even turn up today?

Magnussen takes his old seat and does what Checo could not do in a whole season.
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Though definitely not a Perez fan, thats a ridiculous statement. Neither did a wdc last year in a mcl

#8 Jimisgod

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 16:44

Which is true, but if you wanted confirmation for swapping out Perez - today was it.

#9 Collective

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 17:18

Did Perez even turn up today?

Magnussen takes his old seat and does what Checo could not do in a whole season.

My bet is Hulk will move up the grid to a new team in 2015, and Perez will be the new Sutil (but with 3 more podiums).


Horrible qualy from Checo, that was the main problem.

But then, he was also hit by a Sauber in the first few corners and had to drive the whole first lap with a puncture back to the pits.

I expect Hulkenberg to lead Checo comfortably, but this huge difference will not be the norm.

As for Magnussen. Great debut. But let's not compare the 4-28 with the 4-29. It's night and day. Completely irrelevant comparison. Expect podiums and the odd win from McLaren this year.

#10 Beamer

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 19:33

Which is true, but if you wanted confirmation for swapping out Perez - today was it.


Fully agree to that.

#11 Vic Vega

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 20:49

Checo in for a long one.



#12 charly0418

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 22:06

Even if you consider the puncture terrible luck, the rest of his race was terrible. He got stuck behing Sutil for about 6 laps, which pretty much ruined his race.

 

Hulk again with another solid performance, he was doing great against Alonso, shame he got undercut



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 00:45

After what appeared to be such a promising start to his career, Perez seems to have lost the plot. What a difference 12 months has made. 



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 19:34

It's early day's but Hulk is looking like he might be even more dominant over Perez than I thought he would be.

 

If Perez doesn't get close to him this year, his career in F1 is probaby done. Being told in FP he was way off Hulk must be pretty soul destroying.


Edited by DS27, 28 March 2014 - 20:06.


#15 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 19:41

Yep, Perez seems to have many issues but Hulk is destroying Checo so far. I think it's the biggest performance difference from the entire grid.



#16 DanardiF1

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 19:51

On the showing so far, Perez actually looked better at McLaren!



#17 Junky

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 20:33

Maybe it's too soon, but I kinda have the impression that Hulk will destroy Perez.


Edited by Junky, 28 March 2014 - 20:39.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 20:35

Well for what its worth Perez doesn't speak to Mexican F1 insiders anymore, he got into a fight with all of them, because they don't "support" him. He's absolutely lost


Edited by charly0418, 28 March 2014 - 20:36.


#19 DanardiF1

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 22:14

Well for what its worth Perez doesn't speak to Mexican F1 insiders anymore, he got into a fight with all of them, because they don't "support" him. He's absolutely lost

 

It's clearly something in his head, we all know he can drive well.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 23:12

Well for what its worth Perez doesn't speak to Mexican F1 insiders anymore, he got into a fight with all of them, because they don't "support" him. He's absolutely lost

All that proof you have to back that claim up man, it's overwhelming. 



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 23:29

Maybe Perez is a kind of driver, who takes a bit of time before adapting and getting up to speed in a new team. Last year in McLaren he didn't start particularly well, but late in the season was matching Button.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 23:38

All that proof you have to back that claim up man, it's overwhelming. 

 

Don't worry mate, the main newspaper here in Guadalajara is preparing a big story with an Adrian Fernandez interview. Stuff is gonna blow up



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 23:43

Maybe Perez is a kind of driver, who takes a bit of time before adapting and getting up to speed in a new team. Last year in McLaren he didn't start particularly well, but late in the season was matching Button.

 

I wouldn't be too sure on that, as he jumped straight in at Sauber and was performing well alongside Kobayashi from his first season. And even in the 2nd half of last year at McLaren, there were still mistakes and off-days. His whole season last year was patchy.

 

I also got the feeling that he feels one decent result is all it takes to make him of worth to his team. He completely switched off after getting his 3rd podium at Monza in 2012, and after his decent 5th place in India he came out and claimed that that result proved his worth to McLaren in hoping to keep his drive for 2014. No, that was just one good result, there was a whole litany of mistakes and underwhelming performances before then, and he thought one Grand Prix was enough to convince McLaren?



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 23:59

Don't worry mate, the main newspaper here in Guadalajara is preparing a big story with an Adrian Fernandez interview. Stuff is gonna blow up

Adrian Fernandez was fired as his management a midst the problems for Checo and McLaren. Not only is Fernandes rather irrelevant in terms of the current day but he also would not talk ill of Checo unless it was spite of tongue. Checo loves his Mexican fans and country, often promoting a race there and he still talks to Mexican correspondents. He may have disagreed with one or two but that's opinion over matter. Sounds like you're trying to big up something that is being blown out of context or something that might not even be there at all. I would ask you to refrain from spreading ill judgement on someone until it's public because right now i can't find anything at all about this (Let alone anything to back up this apparent inevitability). 



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Posted 29 March 2014 - 02:54

Not looking good for Checo, but he can bounce back. Hulk has always been a very good driver.



#26 jrwb6e

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 19:19

At this rate it will be Perez' last season in F1.



#27 bub

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 20:25

Nico was very impressive again. Perez still seems to be struggling but it's still early days. I expect him to improve as he gains more experience with the team. Hulkenberg will always be a very difficult opponent for him though.



#28 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 20:55

At this rate it will be Perez' last season in F1.

So who would drive the second Force India then?



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Posted 29 March 2014 - 21:17

Vandoorne? (had the McLaren/FI-ties continued I think this would've been a real possibility.

Perez needs a result on the board soon, and one where he's fairly close to Hülkenberg, otherwise I think he's the sort of person that can self-destruct from getting doubts about himself.

He's quicker vs Hülk than he's been showing so far, I'm sure.



#30 KingTiger

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 21:22

The Hulk!!! He's joint 4th best driver in the world along with Rosberg.

 

F1 needs to get him in a top car as soon as possible. Maybe in McLaren Honda next year. 

 

Force India are a respectable team, especially how Mallya turned them from Caterham status to upper midfield, but they don't have the cash to compete with big spenders Ferrari and Red Bull.



#31 JTSaika

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 21:32

Ofcourse, everyone is oblivious to tire choices and standing water points (Again)



#32 Lights

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 22:53

Hulkenberg keeps impressing me. If he keeps this up I'm pretty sure he's as good as any driver on the grid. Any. That, or he's the next Fisichella.



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Posted 29 March 2014 - 23:23

Hulkenberg keeps impressing me. If he keeps this up I'm pretty sure he's as good as any driver on the grid. Any. That, or he's the next Fisichella.

 

To be fair, we'll never know if he's just the next Fisichella unless he gets a top level car. And from what I see of him as of now, he seems well balanced, intelligent and decent under pressure and that can only help at a bigger team. He had enough mental fortitude to defeat Di Resta after 9 races of being behind him and he didn't lose motivation last season with Sauber even after a lackluster start to the season and didn't lose any opportunity in the 2nd half of the season.

 

Lets see if he is able to keep ahead of the McLarens tomorrow.



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 00:10

If he's decent under pressure, he's not the next Fisichella.



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 00:12

Look at the cars ahead of Hulk. 2 Ferraris, 2 Red Bulls, 2 Mercs. You cant ask for more, he gets the absolute most out of his car



#36 peroa

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:37

Hulk is delivering again. :up:



#37 Bawdy

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:44

Very impressive from Hulk once again. It's always a pleasure watching this guy drive, I really hope he gets a top seat in the (near) future.

#38 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:46

Still awaiting judgement on Pérez. He hasn't had a clean weekend yet like Hulk has. Though, don't expect him to finish 5th and beat Hulk anytime soon.



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:50

So when does the season start for SP?

 

Another excellent weekend by Hulk... 



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:45

Hulkenberg will once again spend a season showing how good he is, I am sure that Perez is not as poor compared to Hulkenberg as he have seen so far this season, but I have a hard time seeing him beating Hulkenberg on merit in any race this season. Hobbs have said during both races, that he think Hulkenberg should be next to Alonso at Ferrari, which I agree with 100%.

 

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#41 charly0418

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 16:16

To be fair Force India made a real mess of Perez weekend. No P1 and no race.... what a mess



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 16:58

Look at the cars ahead of Hulk. 2 Ferraris, 2 Red Bulls, 2 Mercs. You cant ask for more, he gets the absolute most out of his car

On a 2 stop strategy. Flash back two years with Checo in a arguably worse Sauber on the same strategy and there he almost won. 


Edited by JTSaika, 30 March 2014 - 16:59.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 20:50

On a 2 stop strategy. Flash back two years with Checo in a arguably worse Sauber on the same strategy and there he almost won. 

 

I was talking about quallifying there. Calm down mate



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 20:58

We'll again spend most of the season wondering "Just how good is that Force India?" just like last year we were wondering "How good is that Sauber?". Only this time he doesn't have a rookie teammate, instead we have Sergio next to him. I've spent a year analyzing Sergio vs Button, and if Nico can beat Sergio more convincingly than Button could then that does say quite a lot. 



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 20:59

If he's decent under pressure, he's not the next Fisichella.

 

I remember Fisichella was hyped up a lot, but he was never quite as consistent or confident. Also in Jordan and Benetton Fisichella had numerous great races, but he also had races, where he was nowhere to be seen. In Renault he was driving a car that he couldn't properly adapt to, which compounded the inconsistency issue.

 

In my view Hulkenberg has been pretty consistent though. I don't have many doubts about him in a top team. The only problem indeed can be if he struggles to adapt to a certain car, which can happen to anyone. Be it Fisichella or Raikkonen in 2008.



#46 DS27

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 21:20

How different things may be if Mclaren had put Hulk in last year instead of Perez. I wonder what Mac's line up would have been this year??

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 14:18

Another impressive perfromance from the Hulk. More bad luck for Sergio but I think this and his McLaren experience will only make him stronger.



#48 Seanspeed

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 14:36

Force Hulkenberg

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 15:16

If Ron does not get Alonso and does not sign Hülkenberg for 2015 it would be crazy.



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 18:10

Would love to see Hulk battling in a top car vs the likes of Lewis, Nico, Nando, Seb