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#1 Zava

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:56

so, here we go, australia rankings:

Vettel 6

Ricciardo 9

Rosberg 9

Hamilton 9

Räikkönen 6

Alonso 8

Grosjean 6

Maldonado 6

Button 8

Magnussen 10

Hülkenberg 8

Pérez 5

Gutiérrez 4

Sutil 7

Vergne 8

Kvyat 9

Massa 6

Bottas 7

Bianchi 6

Chilton 6

Ericsson 8

Kobayshi 7



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#2 KTownDevil

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:00

AMuS

 

Nico Rosberg: Note 9/10
Kevin Magnussen: Note 10/10
Jenson Button: Note 7/10
Fernando Alonso: Note 8/10
Valtteri Bottas: Note 7/10
Nico Hülkenberg: Note 7/10
Kimi Räikkönen Note 5/10
Jean-Eric Vergne: Note 8/10
Daniil Kvyat: Note 9/10
Sergio Perez: Note 4/10
Adrian Sutil: Note 6/10
Esteban Gutierrez: Note 4/10
Max Chilton: Note 5/10
Jules Bianchi: Note 5/10
Romain Grosjean: Note 6/10
Pastor Maldonado: Note 5/10
Marcus Ericsson: Note 5/10
Sebastian Vettel: Note 6/10
Lewis Hamilton: Note 9/10
Felipe Massa: Note 6/10
Kamui Kobayashi: Note 5/10
Daniel Ricciardo: Note 9/10


#3 Alexis*27

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:00

Pretty moot. Massa, Kobayashi should be N/A for a start.



#4 Markn93

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:02

Pretty fair numbers from both. 



#5 EvanRainer

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:05

How exactly is Vettel's 6 justified?



#6 Nigol

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:06

Pretty much the same numbers from both AMuS and Autosport.



#7 OO7

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:10

How exactly is Vettel's 6 justified?

Because these so called 'driver ratings' are actually based primarily on how good the car is.  Remember all those nine's and ten's Vettel was getting previously while cruising to comfortable finishes?



#8 Zava

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:11

How exactly is Vettel's 6 justified?

Vettel's part:
 

 

Vettel had a strong Friday, showing just how far Red Bull had come since the end of testing by producing convincing long-run pace. But he struggled on Saturday after a software change that affected the torque delivery.

A yellow flag caused by Kimi Raikkonen's crash on his key Q2 lap cost him a place in Q3, and his race was doomed from the off when an engine problem manifested itself.

Went well when he could during a difficult weekend.

yeah, I also don't see why should they score him low, because he was a total unknown because of the mapping. though also you can't give him a too high score, because why would you score him high? 

if they gave non-scores, that would be it.

 

 

 

mods: forgot about the AMuS scores, could we put AMuS in the title as well, or exclude Autosport?



#9 EvanRainer

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:14

Exactly, I wouldn't mind if they scored it a weekend based on the result. Or if they scored performance of the driver only.

 

But what the hell is a "6" supposed to mean? it makes no sense.



#10 scheivlak

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:15

Pretty moot. Massa, Kobayashi should be N/A for a start.

Autosport counts Q as well.



#11 Shiroo

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:19

7 for Bottas with his obvious mistake, that cost him like 30sec+, when the car was capable of podium? :rolleyes:


Edited by Shiroo, 17 March 2014 - 13:19.


#12 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:20

And Hamilton getting 9's for running a few laps and botching his start? Well it is discussion galore then.



#13 OO7

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:21

And Hamilton getting 9's for running a few laps and botching his start? Well it is discussion galore then.

I guess, it's difficult to perform a great start when your car is only running on five cylinders.


Edited by Obi Offiah, 17 March 2014 - 13:22.


#14 Xeriks

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:21

And Hamilton getting 9's for running a few laps and botching his start? Well it is discussion galore then.

It's the rating for the entire weekend I thought? if that's the case then putting it on pole in the wet was pretty good.

 

Was it his fault he picked up a problem before the race even began? I don't think so.



#15 Nahnever

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:23

And Hamilton getting 9's for running a few laps and botching his start? Well it is discussion galore then.


How did Hamilton botch his start? He was running on only 5 cylinders before the green lights had even been turned on. His start was fine, he got away on time, but with only 5 cylinders firing what do you think was going to happen, lol?

#16 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:28

I've seen him get less points for actual fair good drives last year. I'm not impressed by putting the superior Mercedes on pole and the hardly be able to race due to technical difficulties. Ricciardo got the same score, but he actual came second (illegal though ;))

 

AMuS gave Bianchi a 5, but he started 6 laps down in a glorified test session. Koboyashi did a good Q in the Caterham, also got tech problems and only got a 5? It is harder to put a Caterham up there than a Mercedes on pole.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:30

And Hamilton getting 9's for running a few laps and botching his start? Well it is discussion galore then.

 

botching his start... :drunk:  :drunk:  :drunk:


Edited by andrewf1, 17 March 2014 - 13:31.


#18 Cesc

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:38

A 9 for Hamilton is...well. Difficult to understand. The same for Vettel, who based on result compared to team-mate he should get a 2 or a N/A even...



#19 EvanRainer

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:43

Exactly. Now, I KNOW how sometimes they use formulas for these types of ratings that seem to makes sense. Give some point for saturday, for sunday for the result for this that blah blah.

 

But in the end, in my opinion, you can't have an article title "Driver ratings" and rate someone a 6 in this case. Because what this tell me, the reader, is that the driver had a mediocre performance during the weekend. It is titled "Driver rating" after all. No where does that imply it is result based (what's the point anyway) or that is the driver-car package taken under consideration.



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#20 st99

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:43

They should have the possibility of not giving points and calculate the best of the year for their averages at the end of the year.

How can you rate SV's weekend? His car worked properly only during FP2, he couldn't do much more in qualy and he never even had a chance in the race. Why giving him a 6?

The same with Grosjean and Maldonado. How can you rate two drivers that had done about 10 laps between the two of them during the whole weekend and that didn't have a properly working car on the race?

That is not rating the driver's performance.



#21 Oho

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:45

botching his start... :drunk:  :drunk:  :drunk:

 

He did?



#22 PARAZAR

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:45

I don't understand Hamilton's 9 either. He got it on pole and that's it. Can you give us an explanation (as you did for Vettel) as to why he got such a high scoring?  Also AMUS 6 for SV and 7 for JB?


Edited by PARAZAR, 17 March 2014 - 13:48.


#23 Nahnever

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:47

He did?


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#24 Oho

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:49

I did see it, but as was pointed out by quite few people his engine was a cylinder short....



#25 Thomas99

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:49

Vettel's part:
 

yeah, I also don't see why should they score him low, because he was a total unknown because of the mapping. though also you can't give him a too high score, because why would you score him high? 

if they gave non-scores, that would be it.

 

 

 

mods: forgot about the AMuS scores, could we put AMuS in the title as well, or exclude Autosport?

 

6 is fine. Its a bit of a nothing grade. He didn't stand out but wasn't poor.

 

Its hard to tell how badly the engine mappings affected his qualifying lap. He was a long way off Ricciardo's pace. 



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 13:50

Ridiculous that Kvyat got a higher rating than Vergne because he is a rookie. His performance might have been more impressive, but it was in no way, shape, or form better.

 

Vergne outqualified him and ran ahead of him for the entire race, case closed.



#27 ThomFi

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:03

Vettel's part:
 

yeah, I also don't see why should they score him low, because he was a total unknown because of the mapping. though also you can't give him a too high score, because why would you score him high? 

if they gave non-scores, that would be it.

 

 

 

mods: forgot about the AMuS scores, could we put AMuS in the title as well, or exclude Autosport?

 

Yeah and I'm positively shocked that they didn't give Di Resta a 9. Well, he didn't attend the race because he is out of Formula 1. But .... it's AUTOSPORT after all.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:04

6 is fine. Its a bit of a nothing grade. He didn't stand out but wasn't poor.

 

Its hard to tell how badly the engine mappings affected his qualifying lap. He was a long way off Ricciardo's pace. 

 

Well, in FP3 he passed from being about 3 tenths faster than Dan to more than 2 seconds slower, that indicates it didn't exactly help him.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:13

Well, in FP3 he passed from being about 3 tenths faster than Dan to more than 2 seconds slower, that indicates it didn't exactly help him.

Anyone who has followed Ricciardo knows he often got beaten by Vergne in Practice before being far faster in quali.

 

Also it could just be adaptation to the wet conditions in practice.



#30 ollebompa

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:17

I think SV RG and PM should not have been ranked at all. No information to justefy either high or low score.

#31 Kelateboy

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:28

A "9" for Hamilton and a "6" for Vettel?

 

My pet monkey could come up with better scores.



#32 ThomFi

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:32

Anyone who has followed Ricciardo knows he often got beaten by Vergne in Practice before being far faster in quali.

 

Also it could just be adaptation to the wet conditions in practice.

 

Vettel had severe problems.

 

http://www.f1fanatic...els-qualifying/

 

But if you want it that way. Let's see how fast Riccaro will be without "cheating".



#33 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:38

so, here we go, australia rankings:
 

Bianchi 6

Chilton 6

 

So Chilton has a very good race and NOW Autosport choose not to hype him?



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:40

6 is fine. Its a bit of a nothing grade. He didn't stand out but wasn't poor.

 

Its hard to tell how badly the engine mappings affected his qualifying lap. He was a long way off Ricciardo's pace. 

I think it can make a huge difference, particularly with the amount of torque these PU's make.  Vettel is usually very strong in the wet.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:48

Anyone who has followed Ricciardo knows he often got beaten by Vergne in Practice before being far faster in quali.

 

Also it could just be adaptation to the wet conditions in practice.

 

I didn't say anything about qualy, it was already obvious in FP3 that Vettel's car had problems. And it wasn't raining at that time.

 

And, as you put it, anyone who has followed Vettel knows that he's normally strong in the wet, so I don't think the conditions of the track were the ones to blame the poor handling of his car and its lack of power.


Edited by st99, 17 March 2014 - 14:56.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 14:49

Seems to me Vetel got a 6 (medium-ish score) because they didn't know how to rate him because of car issues so they just gave him a middle score. Hamilton got a 9 on the other hand because he had the opportunity to impress during qualifying which he did.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:03

Ridiculous that Kvyat got a higher rating than Vergne because he is a rookie. His performance might have been more impressive, but it was in no way, shape, or form better.

 

Vergne outqualified him and ran ahead of him for the entire race, case closed.

I agree.

 

Simillar story with Button and Magnussen. Jenson ended up only one place and 3 seconds behind despite the fact he was screwed in Q2 without his fault. How is that 2 or 3 points worse than Magnussen? I think the same rating for both would be more fair.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:05

So Hamilton gets a 9 for retiring while Vettel, Massa and Lotus drivers get a 6? 

 

Sense, this makes none.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:13

So Hamilton gets a 9 for retiring while Vettel, Massa and Lotus drivers get a 6? 

 

Sense, this makes none.

Hamilton scored a pole, while Vettel qualified 10 places behind his team-mate.

 

But then, how one can really rate Vettel if his car wasn't running properly at any point of qualifying or race? You can give 6 by random, but it influences all year standings so I don't find it fair.


Edited by Anderis, 17 March 2014 - 15:14.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:18

I agree.

 

Simillar story with Button and Magnussen. Jenson ended up only one place and 3 seconds behind despite the fact he was screwed in Q2 without his fault. How is that 2 or 3 points worse than Magnussen? I think the same rating for both would be more fair.

It was first race ever for Kevin with lots of pressure once he positioned himself in podium position. JB on the other hand, gained some time during Safety Car, didn't he?



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:27

It was first race ever for Kevin with lots of pressure once he positioned himself in podium position. JB on the other hand, gained some time during Safety Car, didn't he?

It's exactly what I was talking about. It's a first race ever for Kevin so let's rate him higher. :p

 

JB might have "gained" something during SC, but I think he would rather have a chance for making in into Q3 in Saturday if it was his choice. Based on the pace they both had in clean air, I doubt Magnussen would've outperformed Button by a margin deserving 2 or more points difference out of 1-10 scale if Jenson had the possibility of qualify as high as his pace would allow him.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:34

People criticising the 9 for Hamilton are a bit deluded. Putting the car on pole but retiring through a mechanical fault deserves a 9. A 10 should only be given for a classic performance like Alonso at Valencia a couple of years ago, Vettel at Germany last year etc.

 

Vettel only scored a 6 I guess because he had the pace for Q3 but made several mistakes. He was only two tenths off and Raikkonen cost him. It would have been fairer to give Vettel no score but anything higher than a 7 would be absolutely ridiculous. Vettel did hit the wall in Q.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:38

People criticising the 9 for Hamilton are a bit deluded. Putting the car on pole but retiring through a mechanical fault deserves a 9. A 10 should only be given for a classic performance like Alonso at Valencia a couple of years ago, Vettel at Germany last year etc.

 

Vettel only scored a 6 I guess because he had the pace for Q3 but made several mistakes. He was only two tenths off and Raikkonen cost him. It would have been fairer to give Vettel no score but anything higher than a 7 would be absolutely ridiculous. Vettel did hit the wall in Q.

 

yes but Vettel's mistakes were directly related to his car issues.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:55

I can follow the Hamilton score, he was the best on saturday and had no fault on sunday. 

 

Vettel is another matter, he also did some impressive laps with 1/3rd of the Merc boys testing under his belt, yet was hampered in quaifying by a bad engine. Hardly his fault. Id give him a 7 or an 8.

 

Then again Autosport has a clear anti-Vettel stance, or at least a double standard one. Last year at Korea they didnt even mention he scored a 2nd consecutive Grand Chelem (first time in almost 50 years that happened), and said literaly they hold different standards for Vettel (they gave him a 9, where another driver wouldv gotten a 10). The Edd Straw universe in a nutshell.


Edited by 0Fritz, 17 March 2014 - 19:22.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 15:56

He did?

 

 

I did see it, but as was pointed out by quite few people his engine was a cylinder short....

 

Exactly, he didn't botch anything. He only got away slower than Rosberg because of the lack of power from his engine. I was replying to SenorSjon.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 16:12

Autosport counts Q as well.

How did Bottas get a better rating than Massa then?



#47 ThomFi

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 16:20

Hamilton's problems looked to me like he accidently shut down his traction control while he was searching for the porn channel on his dash.



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 16:23

6 is fine. Its a bit of a nothing grade. He didn't stand out but wasn't poor.
 
Its hard to tell how badly the engine mappings affected his qualifying lap. He was a long way off Ricciardo's pace.


Did you watch FP3 or quali? From the onboard in both sessions, out of the corners his engine was chugging like TC gone wrong, and they mentioned having no 'K'.

It looked a complete dog.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 16:24

People criticising the 9 for Hamilton are a bit deluded. Putting the car on pole but retiring through a mechanical fault deserves a 9. A 10 should only be given for a classic performance like Alonso at Valencia a couple of years ago, Vettel at Germany last year etc.

 

Vettel only scored a 6 I guess because he had the pace for Q3 but made several mistakes. He was only two tenths off and Raikkonen cost him. It would have been fairer to give Vettel no score but anything higher than a 7 would be absolutely ridiculous. Vettel did hit the wall in Q.

So if any other driver puts it on pole but misses the race should be instantly given a 9?



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 16:39

Button 8 beaten in Q, beaten in race by teammate

Alonso 8 beat in Q, beat in race teammate

Hulkenberg 8 beat in Q, beat in race teammate

:drunk:

Kvyat 9 should be 8 IMO good weekend by rookie, but still beaten both in Q and the race by Vergne who got 8.