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#751 molpid

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 15:12

AMuS 2014 overall Rankings

  1. Lewis Hamilton  -  9.00 [Best: 7 * 10/10]
  2. Nico Rosberg  -  8.42 [Best: 2 * 10/10]
  3. Daniel Ricciardo  -  8.37
  4. Fernando Alonso  -  7.95
  5. Valtteri Bottas  -  7.58
  6. Sebastian Vettel  -  7.21
  7. Jenson Button  -  7.16
  8. Felipe Massa  -  6.95
  9. Nico Hülkenberg  -  6.89
  10. Daniil Kvyat  -  6.63
  11. Jules Bianchi  -  6.36
  12. Jean-Eric Vergne  -  6.26
  13. Sergio Perez  -  6.11
  14. Kimi Räikkönen  -  5.95
  15. Kevin Magnussen  -  5.84
  16. Romain Grosjean  -  5.84
  17. Kamui Kobayashi  -  5.81
  18. Adrian Sutil  -  5.74
  19. Pastor Maldonado  -  5.37
  20. Esteban Gutierrez  -  5.05
  21. Marcus Ericsson  -  4.56
  22. Max Chilton  -  4.31 


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#752 Jimisgod

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 15:29

Rosberg ahead of Ricciardo WTF?

#753 HoldenRT

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 17:14

Rosberg ahead of Ricciardo WTF?

 

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#754 P123

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 18:22

I've seen lots of mistakes from both Rosberg and Hamilton this year. They top the ratings because of the cars they drive IMO. I think if Alonso had of been driving one of the Mercedes, he'd have made a lot less mistakes. 
 
Hamilton IMO is at times a fragile driver. Rosberg is a thinker but he's often wrong. Alonso despite fighting every inch rarely makes a mistake. Button is a thinker. 
 
I hate these points tallies.


I guess in some respects it all boils down to perception, and what the focus has been on for the season and therefore what remains fresh in people's memories. For example Alonso collided with Kvyat in qualifying in Malaysia, missed his grid spot in Silverstone, collided with Vettel at Spa, ran wide in Hungary, missed T1 completely at the start in Singapore, fluffed his final quali attempt at Abu Double... that;s just from memory to demonstrate that your perception does not necessarily match with events on track. So that's a lot of mistakes..... how would he have faired in a close fought teammate battle is anybody's guess, but the number of errors Hamilton made is not a lot more than those Alonso actually made himself.

Edited by P123, 10 December 2014 - 18:27.


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Posted 10 December 2014 - 18:41

Pretty amazing that the F1 Mettrics rating has not been linked in this post

 

https://f1metrics.wo...river-rankings/

 

AMuS, Autosport and the like have esentially the same value as anybody's opinion, whereas F1 Metrics is to my knowledge the only mathematical model of driver's performance, with the obvious advantages, like for instance, it is not biased in favour of the beloved driver, doesn't forget data and will always provide the same driver evaluation given the same input information. This is in my opinion a remarcable work on the topic and the only serious way to evaluate drivers, as the influence of the car is very difficult to quantify properly without some mathematical support

 

According to it:

 

1. Fernando Alonso 9,13

2. Lewis Hamilton 8,23

3. Daniel Ricciardo 7,97

4. Valteri Bottas 7,13

5. Jean-Eric Vergne 7,00

6. Jenson Button 6,99

7. Nico Rosberg 6,95

8. Kimi Räikkönen 6,92

9. Romain Grosjean 6,30

10. Nico Hulkenberg 6,23

11. Daniil Kvyat 6,18

12. Sebastian Vettel 6,16

13. Felipe Massa 5,93

14. Kamui Kobayashi 5,90

15. Marcus Ericsson 5,66

16. Pastor Maldonado 5,38

17. Sergio Perez 5,29

18. Kevin Magnussen 5,26

19. Adrian Sutil 4,46

20. Esteban Gutiérrez 3,97

 

It is remarkable that it suits relatively well to the common understanding of drivers' standings, with some remarkable deviations:

 

- General observers seem used to Alonso performing miracles in under-performing cars. Therefore, his standard race where he crushes his world-champion team mate and fights with far better cars is normally ratted with an "8", while should be rated closer to 9,5 - 10

- The better the car, the better the subjective ranking. This suits to almost all drivers at the wheel of the best cars, as the mathematical model rates them significantly lower than the journos.

- In the subjective analysis, Kimi takes the blame for the abnormally low rating of Alonso -->"If Alonso did nothing special, and still has three times as many points as him, surely Kimi can't drive at all". Same contagious infection as the one suffered by Massa, Grosjean et al. some years ago

- Vergne is rated similarly by journos and the model, but the relative standings to other drivers are significantly higher in the model. Maybe another worthy driver sacked by merciless RBRs "young corpse academy"?

- The model thinks that Sauber didn't had as bad a car as drivers

- Performance of "trouble-free" drivers at the wheel of dominant cars, basically worried about waiting until the rest of the field has changed tires to come to boxes and lap slower cars (well, this is a little exaggerated but Mercedes drivers normally only had to care for their team mate and that is the best that we've seen in the last five years) seems a little bit exaggerated in the typical "hail the champion"-oriented journo rating


Edited by FullWets, 10 December 2014 - 18:53.


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Posted 10 December 2014 - 19:03

Pretty amazing that the F1 Mettrics rating has not been linked in this post

 

https://f1metrics.wo...river-rankings/

 

 

 

It has its own thread here: http://forums.autosp...cs#entry6985614



#757 FullWets

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 19:05

I guess in some respects it all boils down to perception, and what the focus has been on for the season and therefore what remains fresh in people's memories. For example Alonso collided with Kvyat in qualifying in Malaysia, missed his grid spot in Silverstone, collided with Vettel at Spa, ran wide in Hungary, missed T1 completely at the start in Singapore, fluffed his final quali attempt at Abu Double... that;s just from memory to demonstrate that your perception does not necessarily match with events on track. So that's a lot of mistakes..... how would he have faired in a close fought teammate battle is anybody's guess, but the number of errors Hamilton made is not a lot more than those Alonso actually made himself.

Yes, it is all related to perception, in this case you perceiving that Alonso made the same number of mistakes as Hamilton. You could do the same exhaustive analysis that you did for Alonso with Hamilton and realize that he had quite a few more relevant incidents. How many qualifications did he failed? How many times did he run wide and lost time in the race? And add to that the difference of driving at the front compared with fighting in the pack...



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Posted 10 December 2014 - 19:09

I guess in some respects it all boils down to perception, and what the focus has been on for the season and therefore what remains fresh in people's memories. For example Alonso collided with Kvyat in qualifying in Malaysia, missed his grid spot in Silverstone, collided with Vettel at Spa, ran wide in Hungary, missed T1 completely at the start in Singapore, fluffed his final quali attempt at Abu Double... that;s just from memory to demonstrate that your perception does not necessarily match with events on track. So that's a lot of mistakes..... how would he have faired in a close fought teammate battle is anybody's guess, but the number of errors Hamilton made is not a lot more than those Alonso actually made himself.

 

Very true, but mistakes made while trying to make a ridiculous truck of a car appear to be somewhat competitive are more easily forgiven, than those made in perhaps the most dominant car of the last decade.



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Posted 10 December 2014 - 19:32

It has its own thread here: http://forums.autosp...cs#entry6985614

Thanks for the info. I wanted to remark the contrast between the subjective and the mathematical models



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#760 P123

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 23:45

Yes, it is all related to perception, in this case you perceiving that Alonso made the same number of mistakes as Hamilton. You could do the same exhaustive analysis that you did for Alonso with Hamilton and realize that he had quite a few more relevant incidents. How many qualifications did he failed? How many times did he run wide and lost time in the race? And add to that the difference of driving at the front compared with fighting in the pack...


And your perception related to poor comprehension, because I didn't say that Hamilton made the same number of errors as Alonso, just that he did not make 'a lot more', the incorrect prior assumption being that Alonso made "a lot less". The same supposed 'exhaustive' analysis for Hamilton would give us him 'failing' in qualifying in Austria, twice and not completing a run in Silverstone. In the races you have running wide in China, losing an endplate against JB in Hockenheim, spinning in Hungary, running wide at Suzuka and half spinning in Brazil. Hockenheim, possibly, and Brazil were the only relevant incidents to the eventual outcome of his race.

Very true, but mistakes made while trying to make a ridiculous truck of a car appear to be somewhat competitive are more easily forgiven, than those made in perhaps the most dominant car of the last decade.


I agree, although some of those had little to do with hustling the car. Point is they all make errors. Some get picked over and remembered more than others.

#761 aramos

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 03:05

Thanks for the info. I wanted to remark the contrast between the subjective and the mathematical models

A mathematical model is still largely subjective. It depends what statistics you use and how you weigh them up. There is no real variable in Formula 1 that you can say "this driver is better" when they're in vastly different cars.

 

I find it an interesting read. But I'm not going to pretend its any more accurate than anything else.