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[ZionLH]

Teds notebook  " Redbull was playing spice girls earlier but now it seems it's hard garage house" LOL as a dj im quite surprised he knows what that is. Never judge a book by its cover i guess

[HeadFirst]

Vettel ignores team orders = "dastardly behavior, could spell the end of F1 - maybe Earth as we know it!"

Massa ignores team orders = "storm in a tea cup"

Inexcusable and not the first time Massa has done this, however there are some differences in circumstances. Massa was not ignoring team orders in order to steal a win, and he was not ignoring orders from the team that had orchestrated 3 consecutive WDC's for him, so there is no need to get your panties in a knot. None-the-less, ignoring team orders is wrong in my opinion, and should be dealt with by team management.

[slmk]

What a dumb post. As if Sutil has squandered the cars he's been in. No, with what he's driven a podium could only have come through others misfortune, and that hasn't happened.

 

Sutil was primed to join a top team potentially but squandered it by being a douchebag in a Shanghai club.

 

Force India had a great car last year (that was capable at times of 4th/5th, so potentially podiums) and he got badly exposed by a driver that's not even competing in F1 anymore. He only has himself to blame.

[HeadFirst]

Just saw a painful interview between Ted Kravitz and Claire williams where he was asking her about Massa disobeying team orders and she couldn't get away fast enough

I don't blame her. It's a team issue and should be dealt with in private first.

[RobNNN]

Congratulations to Sergio Perez! He saved 100% of this fuel today! Surely he should be awarded victory?

[BiH]

Good race from Mercedes they looked dominant yet at same time Rosberg didn't look that far ahead of Seb...maybe if RBR catches up by European swing things will be real interesting.

 

 

Driver of the race Hulkenburg. Shame Perez didn't start to see if Hulk is the difference or not for FI.

 

Kimi seemed very fast could have been right up there with Alonso if not for small mistake from Kevin.

 

Is it me or Felipe and Bottas under driving a fast car seems like better driver would be able to push that car past McLaren.

[Konsta]

"Very harsh for MAG. If anything, I think it was Kimi's fault. He just swiped over the front of MAG"
"FIArria working extra hard behind the scene"
"What a farce, FIA does it again (Ferrari International Assistent) evrytime the cry FIA help thems"
"Fxxk Ferrari. I hope they both don't finish the race"
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"I'm sorry for the team that I messed it up in the first corner," said Magnussen
"No excuses. I'm not happy. When you make mistakes is not nice. I take the blame for the bad position that we got.
"Formula 1 races are long and I shouldn't have made a mistake like that in the first corner.
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At least Magnussen has some class around here....

Did I miss him apologizing Kimi for ruining his race? These things happen and they are hopefully learned from but to act as if it was only McL who lost something...

[metz]

Driver of the race Hulkenburg. Shame Perez didn't start to see if Hulk is the difference or not for FI.

 

 

So far, NH has earned 18 of the team's 19 points.

Also looking at practice and qualifying performance (10 measured outings) it's clear Hulk is the difference.

[SpaMaster]

^ Could also be Perez is as useless as we saw last year in Mclaren. Perhaps a combination of both. But Hulk is a star, for sure. Still don't understand how McLaren did not pick him up last year.

[Newbrray]

^ Could also be Perez is as useless as we saw last year in Mclaren. Perhaps a combination of both. But Hulk is a star, for sure. Still don't understand how McLaren did not pick him up last year.

too tall. 

Edited by Newbrray, 30 March 2014 - 15:02.

[FizzyJerk]

Did I miss him apologizing Kimi for ruining his race? These things happen and they are hopefully learned from but to act as if it was only McL who lost something...

Apologising?!?!?.... There were at least 4 people thinking it was Kimi's fault in the first place, so I was trying to cover the admission of guilt angle first tbh - which some through either tired morning sleepy eyes or blind hate for anything red and close to resembling a Ferrari, couldn't quite fathom.

[SpaMaster]

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/113198

Headlines:

Malaysian GP: Kimi Raikkonen says Kevin Magnussen destroyed race

Raikkonen: Magnussen destroyed race

 

But that's not what Kimi said at all. It is quite misleading. He does not really blame Magnussen at all. 

Really what he said: I didn't feel anything, but obviously it destroyed our race

 

I understand news sites want to keep the headlines short. But it has to be accurate. This sort of reporting just does not cut it. What it projects is Kimi in a bad light. Given that so many drivers read Autosport, Magnussen wouldn't feel thrilled with such statement either. It could have been something like: Raikkonen: Incident destroyed race, Raikkonen: Hit destroyed race . This sort of reporting leaves a bad taste in mouth. Do better, Autosport.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Pathetic choice of headline

[TheUltimateWorrier]

???

 

 

Most races without a podium record. How can you miss my giant sig? Perhaps it needs to be BIGGER!

[SpartanChas]

So far, NH has earned 18 of the team's 19 points.

Also looking at practice and qualifying performance (10 measured outings) it's clear Hulk is the difference.

 

Or it could just be that Perez hasn't had a clean race yet. He's certainly not as bad as the points table suggests.

 

As for McLaren not signing him... well, they signed Magnussen, didn't they? So fair play to them giving a young driver a chance.

[Jon83]

^ Could also be Perez is as useless as we saw last year in Mclaren. Perhaps a combination of both. But Hulk is a star, for sure. Still don't understand how McLaren did not pick him up last year.

 

On the basis of this season alone, it is completely unfair to make any judgement, especially given Perez didn't even race today.
 

[MortenF1]

Sutil was primed to join a top team potentially but squandered it by being a douchebag in a Shanghai club.

 

Force India had a great car last year (that was capable at times of 4th/5th, so potentially podiums) and he got badly exposed by a driver that's not even competing in F1 anymore. He only has himself to blame.

I was talking about Sutil as a race-driver, so in this instance I don't care about his Lux-intermesso.

That sig implies Sutil is hopeless and don't agree.

[0Fritz]

2nd race in a row I could not get bothered at all and reading the comments I havent missed anything. Thanks to FOM (no live timing) and FIA (uninteresting engine noise). The 'road car relevant' engines seem to have made F1 a much more uneven event than Newey ever did. although that is the least of my objections.

 

Ill try to catch it next week though. And im happy for the Hamilton fans, save for the British press folks who could not stop talking about boring F1 last year, and now scream in jubilation how Hamilton might emulate Schumachers 2004 season. He won 1 race sofar guys. Steady.

Edited by 0Fritz, 30 March 2014 - 15:55.

[Andrew Hope]

I was talking about Sutil as a race-driver, so in this instance I don't care about his Lux-intermesso.

That sig implies Sutil is hopeless and don't agree.

 

The sig implies he's good enough to stick around for 6 seasons and has never had a car capable of a top 3. I'm sure it's not the author's intent but it actually implies the opposite.

[TheUltimateWorrier]

I was talking about Sutil as a race-driver, so in this instance I don't care about his Lux-intermesso.

That sig implies Sutil is hopeless and don't agree.

 

I don't agree the sig implies he's hopeless. Nobody sportsperson/athlete gets to more than 100 races/matches/rounds of their sport by being hopeless/talentless.  I'm pointing out this potential record, as it might be the only mark he leaves on Formula 1. Its doubtful he's going to get a podium this year and Sauber have a roster of reserve drivers gunning for his place next year.

 

Edit: but the sig was there mainly to mess with the half-dozen Sutil fans 

Edited by TheUltimateWorrier, 30 March 2014 - 16:56.

[SpaMaster]

I was talking about Sutil as a race-driver, so in this instance I don't care about his Lux-intermesso.

That sig implies Sutil is hopeless and don't agree.

Yep, that's a misleading signature. What one should think is why a driver has been persisted with like that for that long. To me, it is a sign that the driver probably lived up to the potential of the cars he had driven and he had got the kind of cars he deserved  - that is the driver may not be top-notch but a very reliable  and quite decent mid-field driver. Solid driver, I would say..

[Massa]

The gap is quite big behind Mercedes, RB, Ferrari, and Force India. We need to say both Williams and had traffic and seems a little bit faster.

 

Average lap time :

 

HAM : 1.47.607

ROS : 1.47.916

VET : 1.48.045

ALO : 1.48.249

HUL : 1.48.450

BUT : 1.49.101

MAS : 1.49.126

BOT : 1.49.134

Edited by Massa, 30 March 2014 - 16:04.

[femi]

This has been one great day, LH and Merc kicked butt and Liverpool goes top of the English premier league!!!

[Timstr11]

Teds notebook  " Redbull was playing spice girls earlier but now it seems it's hard garage house" LOL as a dj im quite surprised he knows what that is. Never judge a book by its cover i guess

Surprised as well that he knows garage house, given that it has a small following.

[kyriakos75]

Who is this clueless joker?

 

 

IMO the only 'Celebs' that should be there are people like the late great George Harrison, a pure petrolhead, there for the racing, not some 'flavour of the month' Celeb who doesn't give a damn about it and is only there because it's a 'freebie'..

Cumberbatch is not 'a flavour of the month Celeb', he is a serious actor with major roles in movies like 12 years a slave, the Hobbit trilogy, Atonement etc. Not to mention his theater and TV roles.

[bonjon1979a]

Teds notebook " Redbull was playing spice girls earlier but now it seems it's hard garage house" LOL as a dj im quite surprised he knows what that is. Never judge a book by its cover i guess

His cousin is Lenny kravitz, he's probably pretty clued up music wise.

[vas04614]

Williams are way ahead in speed traps. Is Williams a low downforce and drag efficient car!!

[Deluxx]

Seb was smoking a dutchie before the race 

 

[RacingDuck]

So let me get this right. The stop and go penalty is performed at the same time as the pitstop. So Magnussen lost what, 5 seconds for ruining kimis race?

No, Kimi ruined his own race and Kev got a penalty for it.

[RacingDuck]

Good race from Mercedes they looked dominant yet at same time Rosberg didn't look that far ahead of Seb...maybe if RBR catches up by European swing things will be real interesting.
 
 
Driver of the race Hulkenburg. Shame Perez didn't start to see if Hulk is the difference or not for FI.
 
Kimi seemed very fast could have been right up there with Alonso if not for small mistake from Kevin.
 
Is it me or Felipe and Bottas under driving a fast car seems like better driver would be able to push that car past McLaren.

I think Massa and Bottas didnt have the best setups (not enough DF, less throttle and ultimately low fuel consumption)

[OO7]

Williams are way ahead in speed traps. Is Williams a low downforce and drag efficient car!!

I guess that explains their fuel saving ability, they were running a lower drag configuration.

[halifaxf1fan]

Inexcusable and not the first time Massa has done this, however there are some differences in circumstances. Massa was not ignoring team orders in order to steal a win, and he was not ignoring orders from the team that had orchestrated 3 consecutive WDC's for him, so there is no need to get your panties in a knot. None-the-less, ignoring team orders is wrong in my opinion, and should be dealt with by team management.

 

Massa was a hippocrite as he had asked for team orders (and was indulged) earlier in the race, but it still was the right decision to ignore the order as nothing was at stake this early in the season.  Williams looked like amateurs in issuing a meaningless TO.  And they used the same wording as Ferrari, very demeaning for Massa.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 30 March 2014 - 18:59.

[halifaxf1fan]

Hamilton was in another league, even to his teammate in the same rocketship..

 

Mercedes is in another league.  Hamiton is better than Rosberg but that is to be expected as Rosberg is an average driver at best.

 

This Mercedes complete domination is absolutely boring to watch.  The pit wall instructing Nico to take the car to a 5 second gap over Vettel just about summed up the 'racing'.  All the racing was done by the engineers!

 

Anyway the St Pete's Indy race is about to start, I bet it will be a much better show.  Go Hinchcliff, go Takuma and go Juan Pablo!

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 30 March 2014 - 19:27.

[Balnazzard]

No, Kimi ruined his own race and Kev got a penalty for it.

Im getting really sick of you trolls...

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/113188

[Montie]

Well MAG himself said that it was his fault and stupid mistake that he shouldnt have done, so keep your stupid opinions to yourself...I cant seriously believe that some ppl believe that MAG didnt deserve penalty or that it was even Kimi's fault....

Oh and on top of that MAG rightfully got 2 penalty points after the race....10 more and he will get race ban

Great useless post, this post deserves a 2 point penalty.

Clearly Kimi is just as guilty as Kevin. Kimi clearly got loose in the corner going wide, trying to recover and turning sharp into the apex. Kevin was right behind him and on apex. Kimi with so much experience should have better situational and track awareness. Kimi deserves 2 penalty points as well if anything. Kevin, the new kid takes the blame.

[RacingDuck]

Im getting really sick of you trolls...
 
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/113188

Not trying to troll but I still dont think thas was Mag's fault. He lost the front end for an instant, got it back and still had it on the apex when Kimi turned in and ran over Kevin's wing. To be clear Im not trying to say that Kimi deserved the penalty but I dont think Kev should have got one or at least not the penalty points on his license.

[EthanM]

Not trying to troll but I still dont think thas was Mag's fault. He lost the front end for an instant, got it back and still had it on the apex when Kimi turned in and ran over Kevin's wing. To be clear Im not trying to say that Kimi deserved the penalty but I dont think Kev should have got one or at least not the penalty points on his license.

 

you 're arguing a silly point. It was eleventy billion percent Mag's fault, as it always is when the front of somebody's car hits the back of somebody else's. 

[RacingDuck]

you 're arguing a silly point. It was eleventy billion percent Mag's fault, as it always is when the front of somebody's car hits the back of somebody else's.

Sure im arguing a silly point but only because there was no real way for Kev to stop that incident from happening, Kimi could have if he had been more aware, which he should have been because hes the more experienced driver.

[EthanM]

Sure im arguing a silly point but only because there was no real way for Kev to stop that incident from happening, Kimi could have if he had been more aware, which he should have been because hes the more experienced driver.

 

nope, he was behind, it was his responsibility, that's the way it's always been in motorsports and it won't change cause you happen to support driver a or b. The guy ahead has right of way, the guy behind has to take care where he places his car, period. 

 

And experience is another silly point, nobody gets issued get out of jail free cards cause they are rookies

Edited by EthanM, 30 March 2014 - 21:35.

[HeadFirst]

Seb was smoking a dutchie before the race 

 

But he didn't pass it on the left hand side.

[HeadFirst]

Congratulations to Sergio Perez! He saved 100% of this fuel today! Surely he should be awarded victory?

But he didn't use both tire compounds, so he was DQed.

[garagetinkerer]

You can't possibly believe that? If a German team was going to favour someone, why wouldn't they favour the German driver?
Who's the pretty and marketable one? It ain't Lewis.

 

Is that why Bernie's been on record suggesting he'd like Hamilton to win the title a fair few times?

 

I do not know if Mercedes is pushing a driver over above another... but one must remember that they hired Hamilton at almost combined the wages of Rosberg and Schumacher... while they let their 7-times WDC driver let go. If anything, you could say that the push will be towards Hamilton to justify the hiring. I mean, it is only logical. However, this is off topic, so if you want to hash it out more, we could do this over pm.

 

cheers!

 

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Flawless race from Hamilton... Rosberg was somewhat playing the rear gunner, which became evident when he pulled away every time Vettel came any closer.

 

Good race from the top 3. Hulk is pretty much solidifying his image as someone who deserves a proper shot at a race/ title winning car.

 

Incident between Massa and Button was excellent to watch. Two drivers pushing each other to the max, but not coming together... brilliant.

 

One thing that is becoming clearer is that the new aero is not exactly promoting overtaking much more than previous years.

[eoin]

We can be really good in Spain, Monaco. Red Bull and Renault might close the gap even more in Bahrain, remember that...
With much more than 300 points available even a 75 points of a gap doesnt help.You know after the 5-6 race usually merc become slower, because they fall a little bit behind in development, just like in last 3 years... Go Vettel, Red Bull, dont you worry we will get them....

 

If engine drive-ability and cooling are still issues come Monaco then that Red bull will struggle there.

[PretentiousBread]

Good God Nico!!
 
That has to the be the most cringe worthy moment ever in a post race interview...

And people believed this PR gobshite when he called the tyres a 'nice challenge' or whatever.

[garagetinkerer]

Good race from Mercedes they looked dominant yet at same time Rosberg didn't look that far ahead of Seb...maybe if RBR catches up by European swing things will be real interesting.

 

 

Driver of the race Hulkenburg. Shame Perez didn't start to see if Hulk is the difference or not for FI.

 

Kimi seemed very fast could have been right up there with Alonso if not for small mistake from Kevin.

 

Is it me or Felipe and Bottas under driving a fast car seems like better driver would be able to push that car past McLaren.

Both cars have the same engine... so it is not the power that will make a difference. Aero-wise... both McLaren and Williams seems at par on the current track. JB was able to defend his lines without being outrageous and that was telling. Also, it seems new aero rules don't help overtaking much. Heck, it took Kimi a while before he disposed of some backmarkers.

[RubalSher]

Both cars have the same engine... so it is not the power that will make a difference. Aero-wise... both McLaren and Williams seems at par on the current track. JB was able to defend his lines without being outrageous and that was telling. Also, it seems new aero rules don't help overtaking much. Heck, it took Kimi a while before he disposed of some backmarkers.

 

I thought Kimi was one of the backmarkers in this race

[garagetinkerer]

too tall.

Both JB and Hulk are 6'. You could chalk it down to Dennis thinking Magnussen was a better bet... Magnussen is good, but i think Hulk would have been a better choice.

2nd race in a row I could not get bothered at all and reading the comments I havent missed anything. Thanks to FOM (no live timing) and FIA (uninteresting engine noise). The 'road car relevant' engines seem to have made F1 a much more uneven event than Newey ever did. although that is the least of my objections.

 

Ill try to catch it next week though. And im happy for the Hamilton fans, save for the British press folks who could not stop talking about boring F1 last year, and now scream in jubilation how Hamilton might emulate Schumachers 2004 season. He won 1 race sofar guys. Steady.

 

Shh, do not speak about the double standards of all concerned (both fans and the media)... soon enough you will have people bash you and tell you how you're biased

[garagetinkerer]

Williams are way ahead in speed traps. Is Williams a low downforce and drag efficient car!!

You could possibly conclude that they may be running low downforce... but to be sure that it is drag efficient comparatively, you may have to consider data from other cars. I personally think that they may be running low downforce...

[garagetinkerer]

you 're arguing a silly point. It was eleventy billion percent Mag's fault, as it always is when the front of somebody's car hits the back of somebody else's. 

Except in Indian GP of 2011... That was Herbert who decided that the car ahead should have given way to the car behind