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[D.M.N.]

Due to unsafe release: https://twitter.com/...223924744163328

[slmk]

When it rains, it pours.

[KavB]

I thought he was given a stop/go penalty during the race for this?

 

Edit: Didn't read the tweet. Pretty harsh but I guess they are sending out a message so it's fair enough. 

Edited by KavB, 30 March 2014 - 10:55.

[Maaarsh]

Better than giving meaningless penalties when his race was already over. Penalties should actively penalise you.

[Brother Fox]

What was the drive through for then?

Edited by Brother Fox, 30 March 2014 - 10:56.

[Xeriks]

Feel sorry for him.

[study]

I'm not a fan, but you've got to be kidding me?

 

I don't like a person being kicked when he's down but this is like going back a bit later with some shovels 

[V8 Fireworks]

Gee, that's a bit harsh.  Oh well, never mind.   Keep (silly) grinning Dan!

[v@sh]

So he gets two penalties for the same offense? once in the race and another for the next? Ouch...

[Vesuvius]

Very harsh penalty.

[Numero14]

Webber story all over again.

[Diablobb81]

While he also looked to be at fault for ignoring  red light :

- he lost 1 min at the pitsop

- he was given a stop and go

- his wing might have been damaged at that botched stop losing another lap

- he was given a 10 place drop

 

Talk about overkill

 

But judging by the two other penalties for the contacts in the race i have to ask : are the stewards complete morons?

Edited by Diablobb81, 30 March 2014 - 11:05.

[NateF]

Not punished enough I guess, losing position, being a lap down and finally retiring. Is there also a financial penalty for the team?

[Disgrace]

Why not three penalties for the same offence? Four?

[Fudce]

Am pretty sure the 10 place penalty is an autumatic one for any unsafe release. Harsh, but they need to be very careful with loose wheels in particular.

[Melchiot]

Why dont they just kill him?

[GAZF1nut]

Well what was the point in the 10 second stop/go penalty then?! Im not a fan of Red Bull, but this is extremely unfair.

[P123]

What was the stop/go for then?

[Brother Fox]

Nothing short of a public stoning should be acceptable

[Nonesuch]

This is good. The number of shameless and dangerous unsafe releases in the past few years warrants the harsher penalties.

 

Teams have been warned more than enough, but keep pushing their luck. They've now found the FIA waiting for them with a baton.

 

I'm all in favour of less (sporting) regulations on track, but with all the people walking around the pitlane it's too dangerous a place to be behaving like a clown.

 

 

Am pretty sure the 10 place penalty is an autumatic one for any unsafe release.

Correct.

Edited by Nonesuch, 30 March 2014 - 11:03.

[Gilles4Ever]

While he also looked to be at fault for ignoring  red light :

- he lost 1 min at the pitsop

- he was given a stop and go

- his wing might have been damaged at that bitched stop losing another lap

- he was given a 10 place drop

 

Talk about overkill

 

But judging by the two other penalties for the contacts in the race i have to ask : are the stewards complete morons?

The others took the in race penalties they were given, Ricciardo didn't, harsh, but thems the rules, plain and simple

[spacekid]

Oh for the love of... seriously? I hate this side of Nu-F1. I would much prefer each race to be its own thing, I hate penalties that carry over from one race to another.

If a penalty must be imposed I would much rather see a constructors points penalty.

[Coops3]

Two penalties for one offence? Since when?!

[ascoli]

Why dont they just kill him?

We'll he could have killed someone else with that loose wheel in the pit lane.
Sends the right message, it's about safety.

[jjcale]

Did Bernie order this himself??  ... too much closer to SV than anyone expected...

 

/conspiracy mode

 

 

Edit ... show why incompetence/bureaucratic ****witry should always be the first thought .... we need a "shakes head" smilie for this one

Edited by jjcale, 30 March 2014 - 11:08.

[fisssssi]

This is un****ing believable!

 

He's already been penalised 3 times:

 

1. Lost time after being towed back and wheel redone.

2. Lost time after losing FW after damage sustained in pit lane.

3. Race stop/go penalty.

4. 10 place penalty.

 

Why don't they fine the team? Why don't they give the mechanic(s) who screwed up a race suspension?

[w00dy]

Technically he didn't serve his stop/go penalty. It is not a stop/retire penalty

[g1n]

Why dont they just kill him?

[v@sh]

Technically he didn't serve his stop/go penalty. It is not a stop/retire penalty

 

So it was another stuff up by RBR considering he was a lap down anyway...talk about having a **** start with the team. Maybe this is the FIA's way of trying to get RBR to drop their fuel flow appeal. Just penalize the crap out of the team.

[fisssssi]

We'll he could have killed someone else with that loose wheel in the pit lane.
Sends the right message, it's about safety.

 

The mechanics aren't going to slow down. They need an automated system that detects when all wheels are safely fastened.

[2014wdc]

finally FIA is doing their job, finally i have to say...

[andrewf1]

Why dont they just kill him?

I can imagine the stewards going "finish him! ...FATALITY"

[Jackmancer]

"If Daniel Ricciardo had no bad luck, he'd have no luck at all."

[Astro]

Webberian...

[Thomas99]

Can anyone remember a single time that Vettel has had a wheel not attached? Ever? 

 

It has happened to Webber and Ricciardo more times than i'd like to count.

[Newbrray]

Why don't they just crucify the poor boy.

 

This is nothing more than a public stoning of a man buried in the ground with only his head visible. 

 

Redbull are not going to like this and Horner is going to raise hell on it

[sportingcp]

This is really unfair for Ricciardo.

[Gilles4Ever]

May be more trouble for RBR

 

Pablo Elizalde @EliGP

Red Bull summoned to explain why a mechanic was not wearing his helmet during a pitstop.

[ATM]

...and the damage goes to Ricciardo, one of the nicest blokes on the grid...but that's life. 

 

While we are at it, might I suggest that his bank accounts are to be blocked and he's to wear a paper bag of shame the next race? enough is enough...

Edited by ATM, 30 March 2014 - 11:16.

[Brother Fox]

Wow, it's like the FIA are pissed off with Red Bull over something?

[1Devil1]

Technically he didn't serve his stop/go penalty. It is not a stop/retire penalty

That's the point, german commentator said, he will likely will get a 10 grid penalty because his stop and go was not severed right, big mistake by Red Bull

Edited by 1Devil1, 30 March 2014 - 11:18.

[w00dy]

So it was another stuff up by RBR considering he was a lap down anyway...talk about having a **** start with the team. Maybe this is the FIA's way of trying to get RBR to drop their fuel flow appeal. Just penalize the crap out of the team.

 

I am not sure about the precedence, in previous years if someone didn't serve the penalty due to retirement it was forgotten. Now we have cumulative penalties that carry over from race to race.

RBR tried to be smart about it, they even held him for 10 secs, before turning the car to the garage.
I don't know if this is fair. He already screwed up his race with the loose wheel. On the other hand, trying to game the system, voluntarily retiring to get fresh parts for the next race is not a penalty. 

Edited by w00dy, 30 March 2014 - 11:19.

[bonjon1979a]

Wow, it's like the FIA are pissed off with Red Bull over something?

Well, if you keep breaking rules, expect to be punished.

[Dalin80]

 

May be more trouble for RBR

 

Pablo Elizalde @EliGP

Red Bull summoned to explain why a mechanic was not wearing his helmet during a pitstop.

 

 

The obvious outcome is that Ric will have to start the next race with a 10 place penalty and a helmet full of bees as suitable punishment.

[Disgrace]

I am not sure about the precedence, in previous years if someone didn't serve the penalty due to retirement it was forgotten. Now we have cumulative penalties that carry over from race to race.

RBR tried to be smart about it, they even held him for 10 secs, before turning the car to the garage.
I don't know if this is fair. He already screwed up his race withe the loose wheel. On the other hand, trying to game the system, voluntarily retiring to get fresh parts for the next race is not a penalty. 

 

Not strictly true. Sato received a penalty for passing under yellow at the '07 US GP before spinning off. The penalty was converted into a 10-place grid penalty for the next race. Precedence really doesn't apply given there isn't standardised, accountable stewarding.

[bourbon]

Well I do believe in protecting the pitlane.  However, I wish the penalty was place more heavily on the team rather than on the driver.

[YDdraigGoch]

c) If a car is deemed to have been released in an unsafe condition during a race the driver
concerned will receive a ten grid place penalty at the driver’s next Event. However, if
any car released in an unsafe condition is able to resume the race a penalty under
Article 16.3© will also be imposed on the driver concerned.

A new rule for this season. An unsafe release is a guaranteed 10 place grid penalty, as well as a possible in-race penalty.

[SenorSjon]

Next race? He should be banned from F1 for life.

[ollebompa]

I think DR left the box with the red light still on.

[Wander]

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