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[ray b]

And clearly Mercedes advantage is not just to do with the power unit because other teams are using it. 

how do we know the power units are not cherry picked by the maker

 

and duds given to less favored teams

 

there is a long history of such action

[ray b]

So the OP has watched F1 since 1958 therefore you'd assume he/she would have gleaned some sort of technical insight over the past half a decade. I say this because surely the OP would realise that it's not as simple as reducing horsepower. What about fuel consumption? Drivability? Software? Or are you suggesting everyone has the same engine in order to negate every possible advantage?
Not quite as simple as opening a new thread is it....

no it is not simple

BUT it is far eazyer cheaper quicker today with added electrical power

to dino test

and only allow an amount of power  added to equalize total power

[bub]

Some hilarious replies in here.

 

Anyway, I don't see the point in the OP's proposal. 

[Anders Torp]

no it is not simple
BUT it is far eazyer cheaper quicker today with added electrical power
to dino test
and only allow an amount of power  added to equalize total power

Might as well go with just one PU-supplier for all teams then.

[skid solo]

how do we know the power units are not cherry picked by the maker
 
and duds given to less favored teams
 
there is a long history of such action

Come on, if that were true why did they give Hamilton a Dud in Melbourne!

[ray b]

did they ?

or did the support sensor/controler/wiring fail

has he in fact used a complete unit out of his allotted number yet ?

[skid solo]

did they ?

or did the support sensor/controler/wiring fail

has he in fact used a complete unit out of his allotted number yet ?

 

Yeah yeah, a rubber tube failed, but this is a ridiculous argument. Who is to say the manufacturer of little rubber tubes didn't choose to give duds to Mercedes? Where does the conspiracy theory end? 

[Coops3]

Putting aside the daft suggestion, the whole premise is flawed anyway since there isn't as much performance difference between the different engines as the current performance of the Merc suggests there is.

 

McLaren ≈ Ferrari ≈ RBR

RBR > Lotus

Merc > McLaren, Williams

[Mercedestorque1]

What were renault and ferrari doing last year when mercedes built the best engine?

as vettel once said  " they were hanging their B***s in the pool"

[Mercedestorque1]

Its true that the Merc-PU is the best out there, but people seem to forget that its not just the PU that makes the car. The W05 seems to be fundamentally good in all other areas as well. Even other Mercedes customer teams could not match the W05. 

 

Just accept that Merc have done a good job with their car. Even Mclaren with the innovative suspension could not touch them.

the problem we have is that people were so used to Merc struggling with tyres, aero etc that they cant believe this team is  currently so dominant

[Jolkins]

So you suggest we punish a team/engine manufacturer for doing a great job in development and reward others for who simply didn't do well enough? Ridiculous! Then you might as well turn the whole championship in spec series. Also don't for get to say goodbye to all the serious manufacturers. Nobody will support such BS.

[Cesc]

Engines have been more or less similar in terms of performance during last years, I mean, they didn't had an impact similar to other stuff like aero. It is now that engine difeference is huge...but I thing it is part of the game.

There were times when V12 were competing together with V8...

[redreni]

It's very easy to entitle something a "modest proposal" but that doesn't make it a modest proposal. This particular proposal is outrageous inasmuch as all the PU manufacturers invested an absolutely enormous amount of time and money and resources on the basis that the PU, partcularly the fuel efficiency of the ICE and also the effectiveness of the ERS, was supposed to be a key performance differentiator. If Ferrari had done the best job I would be completely opposed to any proposal that would rob Ferrari of that hard won advantage and so it would be rank hypocrisy of me to be anything other than implacably opposed to pegging back Mercedes and penalising them for doing a good job.

 

Last time we had an engine development freeze we ended up stuck with prehistoric engines for about 7 or 8 years longer than we should have been. Everyone moaned about the cost of having to design and build the new PUs. Their introduction had to be postponed. If F1 were to immediately peg back Mercedes now and go back to performance parity, these PUs will not be developed (or only developed for reliability), they will become old hat and F1 will find itself unable to convince any but the most gullible of manufacturers to invest in new PU technology again. Why bother if you're going to get penalised for winning?

[superden]

So you've won 3 Olympic gold 100m medals have you? Right, that's not fair, its time to lose a leg. Come on, its for the good of the sport ...

[Bartonz20let]

So you've won 3 Olympic gold 100m medals have you? Right, that's not fair, its time to lose a leg. Come on, its for the good of the sport ...

Made my evening