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#51 S3baman

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 13:47

I have to say I'm quite impressed with Kvyat. I didn't expect him to be up to speed so fast, especially since F1 2014 is so much more demanding on the drivers in terms of car management. I think that by the end of the year he'll have the upper hand on JEV.


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#52 S3baman

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 13:48

You're referring to the rumored software upgrade?

 

Yes, Merc is also rumoured by bring one as well since most of the Merc running cars will change for a new ICE.



#53 S3baman

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 13:50

Update from Lotus

 

It's more power unit problems which have stopped Lotus today. Maldonado isn't too concerned though: "This is what testing is for"



#54 Markn93

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 13:55

Love the google translate of the french feed, 

 

4:46 p.m. -  No drivers on track at the moment. The most productive days are Rosberg with 111 towers and Magnussen with 83 loops.



#55 Emilvang

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 14:37

Magnussen hits 100 laps as well, and the test is over for today.


Edited by Emilvang, 08 April 2014 - 14:41.


#56 S3baman

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 14:40

Merc doing over 2 race distances. Insane!!!

 

Is Lewis diving tomorrow the Merc?



#57 Emilvang

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 14:49

Merc doing over 2 race distances. Insane!!!

 

Is Lewis diving tomorrow the Merc?

 

Aye.



#58 Ellios

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:51

 

MERCEDES AMG F1 ‏@MercedesAMGF1 18m

2hrs30mins into day 2 of the 1st in-season test @BAH_Int_Circuit: @LewisHamilton P1 with a 1:34.178 from 43 laps.Enough numbers for you? #F1



#59 Exb

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:57

Day 2 (and the final one) of the Bahrain test.
Approaching the 3 hour mark and current lap times are:
Pos Driver Time Laps
1 L. Hamilton 1:34.178 50
1 J.-E. Vergne 1:37.322 21
3 F. Alonso 1:37.912 12
4 S. Pérez 1:39.722 5
5 F. Nasr 1:40.106 34
6 M. Ericsson 1:40.613 30
7 J. Bianchi 1:40.721 40
8 K. Magnussen 1:51.637 14
9 R. Grosjean 9
10/td> D. Ricciardo 7
11 G. van der Garde 3

Mercedes and Williams are doing the tyre testing today so won't be able to work on set-up.
Sauber put on twitter that they had an issue with there power unit.
Also a few points from from http://www.f1i.com/live-f1/
11:40 - Several teams suffer from problems related to the chassis or engine today: Ferrari, Force India , Lotus, Sauber and Red Bull .
Lotus had planned to run Grosjean in the morning and Maldonado in the afternoon.

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#60 Tommay

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:02

Has there been any confirmation how the power units work in these sessions. Are they out of the 5 allocated or are they allowed to bring as many as they want. Although I doubt many would run so many laps if it was out of the 5, I can't see some teams being able to afford an extra power unit each in season test without it being part of their contract.

Edited by Tommay, 09 April 2014 - 09:03.


#61 Exb

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:42

More updates:
12:21 - Sauber has solved its problems of the PU

12:26 - We learn that Ferrari has decided to put an end to its testing in Bahrain after only 12 laps today.
The chassis used by Alonso during these two days of testing was that of Raikkonen and was damaged.
The question is: why not use the chassis of Alonso?

#62 Afterburner

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:33

More updates:
12:21 - Sauber has solved its problems of the PU

12:26 - We learn that Ferrari has decided to put an end to its testing in Bahrain after only 12 laps today.
The chassis used by Alonso during these two days of testing was that of Raikkonen and was damaged.
The question is: why not use the chassis of Alonso?

Maybe they wanted to see if Kimi's was damaged enough to cost him time before they built a replacement?

#63 kimster89

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:36

So Kimi was driving with broken chasis the entire weekend?

#64 Exb

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:47

The test has resumed after lunch break with Maldonado taking over from Grosjean - lets see if he can manage more than the 9 laps of his team-mate from this morning, or even the 16 laps he managed yesterday.

McLaren managed to do a few extra laps just before lunch after being on the total of 14 laps for a long time - but ended up stopping on ircuit and causing a Red Flag. Hope it was nothing serious and they will be out soon. Mercedes have also been in tyhe garage for quite a while (50 lap total) to say they can't make set-up changes, possibly an issue or maybe ahead of the program Pirelli gave them?
Red Bull have engine issues.

#65 Markn93

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:50

Mclaren done with suspension failure. 



#66 Exb

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:54

Grosjean still driving - not Maldonado! (maybe due to the issues that limited Grosjeans running this morning?)

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:03

Maybe they wanted to see if Kimi's was damaged enough to cost him time before they built a replacement?

I've always wondered this, which driver gets the 1st tub to come out of the factory? Is it an advantage to have the car that is first out of the factory that is actually tested before the season or does the number 1 driver get the later untested version? Or do they use more than 1 chassis in the pre season tests?

 

How many chassis do they normally use per season?



#68 AngelaTifosi

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:16

Grosjean still driving - not Maldonado! (maybe due to the issues that limited Grosjeans running this morning?)

 

Maldonado should never drive today. He already did his session yesterday. Presumably apply pressure on Lotus to vacant the afternoon session to him. In the end, the team decided to stick to the schedule.



#69 Markn93

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:47

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#70 S3baman

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:52

Today's session has been pretty dreary. Most of the teams have engine problems, I imagine it's so disheartening for them to see Merc pound lap after lap.



#71 S3baman

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:55

So Kimi was driving with broken chasis the entire weekend?

 

I wonder if his kerb hopping might have had anything to do with it.



#72 Exb

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 14:34

The Bahrain test comes to an end. Renault have had more issues this afternoon with first the Lotus and then shortley after the Caterham causing Red Flags with engine issues.
Lots of teams suffering with problems today - Ferrari cancelled their test this morning, McLaren only made it out this afternoon for the final 15 minutes (after causing the Red Flag just before lunch when the car was in the gravel due to suspension failure, despite the team saying it was minor damage) Williams haven't done many laps this afternoon but at least Pirelli will have got a lot of data from the ever reliable Mercedes - topping the timing and lap count charts again! A better afternoon for Red Bull, Sauber and Force India after slow starts this morning.

Final standings: (from http://www.f1i.com/live-f1/ )
Pos Driver Time Laps
1 L. Hamilton 1:34.178 120
2 J.-E. Vergne 1:35.557 64
3 K. Magnussen 1:36.203 26
4 S. Pérez 1:36.586 63
5 D. Ricciardo 1:37.310 67
6 J. Bianchi 1:37.316 93
7 G. van der Garde 1:37.623 77
8 F. Alonso 1:37.912 12
9 M. Ericsson 1:39.263 66
10 F. Nasr 1:39.879 64
11 R. Grosjean 1:43.732 16

#73 GAZF1nut

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 14:40

Merc setting 120 laps... that is impressive.



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 14:50

Merc setting 120 laps... that is impressive.

 

that is 4 race diostances over 2 days. Very impressive.

 

Does anyone know if the engines used for these in-season tests are part of the seasons allocation or they can bring brand new engines?



#75 AlexS

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 15:03

So the only team continues to be Merc. Vergne could be at 1.5 sec from them.... Otherwise everyone at over 2 sec...

 

We have Mercedes and a bunch of Marussias.


Edited by AlexS, 09 April 2014 - 15:06.


#76 goingthedistance

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 15:24

Red Bull managed 158 laps over the two days, which is a big step up on preseason testing.

#77 Retrofly

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 15:50

that is 4 race diostances over 2 days. Very impressive.

 

Does anyone know if the engines used for these in-season tests are part of the seasons allocation or they can bring brand new engines?

 

I would guess they are new engines.

 

If they run only a dozen or so laps on allocated engines in practice sessions I can't see them doing 120 laps on another allocated engine.



#78 Jon83

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 16:10

Has there been any confirmation how the power units work in these sessions. Are they out of the 5 allocated or are they allowed to bring as many as they want. Although I doubt many would run so many laps if it was out of the 5, I can't see some teams being able to afford an extra power unit each in season test without it being part of their contract.

 

As far as I know they are for test sessions only.



#79 Afterburner

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 20:18

I've always wondered this, which driver gets the 1st tub to come out of the factory? Is it an advantage to have the car that is first out of the factory that is actually tested before the season or does the number 1 driver get the later untested version? Or do they use more than 1 chassis in the pre season tests?
 
How many chassis do they normally use per season?

The only info I have on this (very dated info--from the 1994 season) is from Steve Matchett's book, Life in the Fast Lane. At Benetton, they went through eight chassis that year (four per driver, including test mules), and brought three to each race weekend. Michael and Jos did not have designated chassis; they routinely switched them so that they all got the same amount of mileage. Chassis with more mileage were often used in testing but not on race weekends. If memory serves me correctly, Michael and Jos raced in every chassis at least once that season on a rotation--for the most part, Michael's chassis were odd-numbered and Jos's were even-numbered, but in the event of accidents or testing the rotation was altered. So I don't think there was any significant advantage--save for safety reasons or inflicted damage--in running a newer chassis over an older one. (EDIT: Except in the case of chassis with high mileage, which began to show signs of flex and could sometimes give misleading feedback to the engineers.) And, in case you're wondering, it didn't matter which chassis Michael was in, he was always faster than Jos.

More recently, I think they only produce new chassis on an as-needed basis--every team may do it differently. It's quite possible that because Kimi's chassis was showing problems, they decided to have Fernando test it to help isolate them (positive/negative control with drivers as the only major variable and all that), or maybe they're just rotating chassis now. Either way, if Kimi's chassis is damaged in a manner that's inflicting a pace loss, they'll want to pinpoint and fix the problem ASAP rather than risk losing any points--even if that problem happens to have a psychological root between the wheel and the pedals. :lol:

And I would highly recommend Life in the Fast Lane, by the way. I've heard some say Matchett has an ego and his account of the season isn't to be taken seriously because it's been put through a Benetton press-filter; nearly all the people who say that haven't read the book. An awesome read if you like listening to F1 stories.

Edited by Afterburner, 09 April 2014 - 20:22.


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#80 F1TestCatalunya

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 13:29

Exb, on 07 Apr 2014 - said:

 I must admit I am interested in knowing if they are going to allow spectators to the tests as I might be tempted to go to Barcelona if they do.

Nothing on their website either though so I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

 

I've been to Circuit de Catalunya twice to watch MotoGP, and was thinking of going there again this year for the F1 test on 13-14 May.

But like you I was unsure if it would be open or not.

So I e-mailed both the people in charge at Circuit de Catalunya, and the Customer Care people over at formula1.com.

None of them could provide any usefull information at all o_O

 

I asked if the test would be open for the public, if I could purchase tickets, or if the circuit would be closed for visitors altogether.

 

F1.com customer care wrote (Apr 15):

"as far as we know, there will be a Formula 1 test on May 13 and 14, but unfortunately,

we don't have further information nor tickets." - Caroline Joppien

:rolleyes:

 

Circuit de Catalunya wrote (Apr 10):

"at the moment we have no information yet on the Formula 1 test." - unsigned

 

I replied and explained it would be nice to have some sort of information, any information, as I was about

to book plane tickets. They replied again (Apr 15):

 

"Sorry but I still do not have information about the Formula 1 test." - unsigned

:rolleyes:

 

 

Less than a month away and no one in these organisations seem to know anything.

I am amazed things get done at all. Granted, the Grand Prix and revenue are what matters to these people,

but do they really not know how the F1 test will be handled?

I find that hard to believe.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 20:27

Resurrecting this thread as the Barcelona test starts tomorrow and it doesn't seem worth starting a new thread.

The driver line up is as follows:
Team : Driver (Tues / Weds)
Red Bull: Sébastien Buemi / Sebastian Vettel
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton / Nico Rosberg
Ferrari: Kimi Räikkönen (both)
Lotus: Charles Pic / Pastor Maldonado
McLaren: Jenson Button / Stoffel Vandoorne*
Force India: Nico Hülkenberg /Daniel Juncadella*
Sauber: Giedo van der Garde* / Esteban Gutiérrez
Toro Rosso: Jean-Éric Vergne* / Daniil Kvyat
Williams: Felipe Massa / Susie Wolff
Marussia: Max Chilton / Jules Bianchi
Caterham: Kamui Kobayashi / Robin Frijns

* = Pirelli tyre test.

New 'louder' exhausts to be trialled by Mercedes. I wonder if any journalists will stay there for this test to bring us any updates?

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 20:37

yes, hopefully someone with a camera can get a video of the merc with the megaphone exhaust.



#83 charly0418

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 00:33

Susie Wolff at the wheel. Lets see what shes got



#84 Timstr11

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 05:27

Bugger. It's wet in Barcelona. Lewis will not get the chance to hone his dry setup if it stays like that.https://twitter.com/...083777878716416


Edited by Timstr11, 13 May 2014 - 05:28.


#85 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 05:34

All the teams should really split each day in half now. The forecast for tomorrow is dry.

In terms of Lewis, it is annoying, but I have no grievances in more wet running which all fell to Nico in the winter. And hey, track time is track time!

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 05:46

All the teams should really split each day in half now. The forecast for tomorrow is dry.

In terms of Lewis, it is annoying, but I have no grievances in more wet running which all fell to Nico in the winter. And hey, track time is track time!

 

You learn nothing in wet conditions that's useful for the dry, so,no,  track time is not track time. 



#87 grunge

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 05:54

Seems like no one is covering this test..

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:09

Seems like no one is covering this test..


Still only 8 am, still a bit too early. And 8 am in Spain feels like "mum! let me sleep a bit longer" because it is only 6 am solar time.

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:50

Coverage from crash.net here: https://mobile.twitter.com/crash_F1

Also the french site is running as well and includes times and lap counts http://www.f1i.com/live-f1/

 

Still wet in Barcelona so not much running yet. A few Red Flags already caused by Toro Rosso and Ferrari. 



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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:09

Sky have a feed showing all the teams tweets (as well as their own) which is quite good as I can follow that at work (even though I can't get twitter ;) )

http://www1.skysport...-test-in-tweets

 

now up to 4 red flags with Marussia causing the latest one.

Lunch break has been bought forward an hour (12.00-13.00 local time) in the hope the weather improves for the afternoon.



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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:12

@pitlanetalk: Kimi Raikkonen's stoppage from earlier this morning is a cause of concern: #F1 #Formula1 http://t.co/IRgqZrIch9

 

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#92 Yoshi

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:29

@pitlanetalk 8m

Update on Kimi Raikkonen: Ferrari will not get him out before the afternoon. Mechanics have disassembled the car to fix the PU. #F1

 

Let's hope he will be back in the afternoon on track.



#93 ollebompa

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:42

Seems like redflags have been caused by TR(x2), Marussia and Ferarri.

#94 Clatter

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:46

Do they get extra engines to play with during the test or have to use the ones from the season allocation? I assume the former.



#95 Vesuvius

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:54

pretty sure they have extra engines, as in tests you can test all kinds of parts...even things that arent allowed.



#96 Exb

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:56

Lots of photos from Sutton Images from the test now available - http://www.sutton-im...=F16324a&page=1  (website is updated with more pictures throughout the test).



#97 Yoshi

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:35

@KimiFanPage 6m

Ferrari is replacing the broken engine on Kimi's car and they will try to go back on track at the end of the day

 

lets hope :rolleyes:



#98 AngelaTifosi

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:38

Ferrari ask for in season testing......and they couldn't run

#99 Seanspeed

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:40

Wonder if Ferrari are trying something more aggressive in regards to the powerplant.

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#100 Cyanide

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:43

Wonder if Ferrari are trying something more aggressive in regards to the powerplant.

 

Worked really well in that case.