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#1 MatParker116

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 23:34

http://www.dailymail...ding-chase.html

 

Haas Racing is the more likely of the two to make it to Melbourne and I'm guessing this means the end of Alexander Rossi at Caterham. Stefan GP is the other less likely entry.


Edited by MatParker116, 06 April 2014 - 23:34.


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#2 Myrvold

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 23:38

So Kolles suddenly have joined forces with Stefan in that article!



#3 RealRacing

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 23:45

Bravus and Carlsson?



#4 TimRTC

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 23:49

Something of a backtrack on his previous comments about only wanting 20 cars on the grid.

 

I wonder if the current 10 teams only getting money will continue with 13 teams in the running?



#5 billm99uk

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:38

Stefan-Honda?

 

Haas-Cosworth?

 

http://www.racecar-e...-teams-in-2015/



#6 DanardiF1

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:40

Super Aguri!!!!!



#7 Zoetrope

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:46

Personally, I am perfectly fine with 11 teams. Can these two new entrants provide a competitive package or will they create backmarkers of backmarkers league? Caterham vs Marrusia, 1 second gap, then these two. You need access to proper technology, staff and facilities. Can they find it?



#8 Lost Boys

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:47

If one of the team isn't Andrea Moda, I'm stopping watching F1.



#9 krapmeister

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:47

Something of a backtrack on his previous comments about only wanting 20 cars on the grid.
 
I wonder if the current 10 teams only getting money will continue with 13 teams in the running?


Perhaps Bernie isn't confident that all of the current teams will still be around come 2015 - the new teams may just end up replacing a couple which have folded...

Edited by krapmeister, 07 April 2014 - 12:48.


#10 billm99uk

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:48

I like 26 cars. It makes getting into the points a real achievement.



#11 dau

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:53

Personally, I am perfectly fine with 11 teams. Can these two new entrants provide a competitive package or will they create backmarkers of backmarkers league? Caterham vs Marrusia, 1 second gap, then these two. You need access to proper technology, staff and facilities. Can they find it?

So what if they're just some more backmarkers? We had hopeless contenders filling up the grid for most of F1 history and someone has to be last after all. F1 needs more teams to give talented rookies a chance to impress even if they aren't connected to one of the big teams. 



#12 Richard T

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:59

If one of the team isn't Andrea Moda, I'm stopping watching F1.


HAHA! I've never heard the story about that team, 5 well spent minutes on Wikipedia and a good laugh :clap:

#13 Trust

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 13:12

Stefan is fake people, don't buy that BS.



#14 billm99uk

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 13:13

Poor old Perry McCarthey. Mind you, Life made Andrea Moda look professional...



#15 stanga

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 13:16

Poor old Perry McCarthey. Mind you, Life made Andrea Moda look professional...

 

Some amusing stuff there about both teams. Thanks. 



#16 rodlamas

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 13:32

The more teams, the better (obviously given they are at least on Marussia/Caterham level).



#17 August

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 13:47

It will take a few years but then Formula 1.5 aka Race for the WCC P10 will get even more competitive, Caterham and Marussia will have new challengers.



#18 Otaku

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 14:07

Some amusing stuff there about both teams. Thanks. 

 

http://en.wikipedia...._Racing_Engines

 

http://www.f1fanatic...tival-of-speed/

 

:D  :up:


Edited by Otaku, 07 April 2014 - 14:09.


#19 Donkey

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 14:42

I'm thinking there will be only one new team but Lotus/Enstone will fold and be bought out by someone and re-emerge under a new guise after laying off half their staff and facilities.



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#20 noikeee

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 14:45

The more teams the better, I'd be delighted with 26 cars on the grid once again, how long it's been since we last had that, 1994? More teams = more action = more chances for drivers = more changes for new engineers, designers and staff = more back-ups to retain some competition in the case other teams start going bankrupt.
 
Though if one of the entries is Stefan I'd shut the door on him, I think he's a lunatic and/or a scammer and wouldn't take the risk of putting him in the paddock even if he has Kolles on board.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 15:28

The second team accepted is not Stefan GP, it is a Romanian consortium lead by Colin Kolles. 



#22 Fastcake

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 16:22

I don't want teams as abysmal as Andrea Moda in Formula One, but you can't deny they have a certain Eddie the Eagle charm to them. :lol:

 

They should't be any worse than Caterham and Marussia, and if the Haas effort is as properly funded as it is rumoured to be, they could make it into the midfield within a few seasons. Let's all remember Force India took the team from backmarkers to a solid competitor within a couple of years. Who knows what Kolles' team will end up as, but realistically they wouldn't be let in if they were any worse than HRT. They may of lurched from disaster to disaster every pre-season, but speed wise they weren't that embarrassing.



#23 Ali_G

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 16:28

Didn't Lola make a bid again this time ?  I would have thought it would have been strong on the engineering side of things anyways.



#24 Fastcake

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 16:30

Didn't Lola make a bid again this time ?  I would have thought it would have been strong on the engineering side of things anyways.

 

I thought Lola went under a couple of years back?



#25 Imateria

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 17:11

Yeah, Lola are as good as gone with most of whats left owned by the Canadian Multimatic constructor.



#26 anbeck

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 18:01

Something of a backtrack on his previous comments about only wanting 20 cars on the grid.

 

 

IF the rumours of linking Haas to Ford are true, then Bernie will surely be much more happy about Ford and swallow Haas with that. And, as others have said, I also think admitting two teams is probably a sign of one of the current teams folding before 2015.



#27 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 18:41

If one of the teams is to fold, its either going to be Caterham (Fernandes pulling the plug as he isn't impressed anymore) or Lotus & Sauber (lack of funding).



#28 sopa

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 19:08

I like 26 cars. It makes getting into the points a real achievement.

 

Currently getting points would be a huge achievement for both Marussia and Caterham anyway. So we'll get two more teams, who never score. 

Doesn't make much different tbh except leaders have more traffic to lap. Does anyone genuinely miss HRT or notice the difference while watching F1 races?

Guess perhaps Vettel notices the difference that he doesn't need to lap Narain...

 

 



#29 PayasYouRace

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 20:53

 

The more teams the better, I'd be delighted with 26 cars on the grid once again, how long it's been since we last had that, 1994? More teams = more action = more chances for drivers = more changes for new engineers, designers and staff = more back-ups to retain some competition in the case other teams start going bankrupt.
 

 

 

1995 until Simtek went under. There were still 28 cars in 1994, with 2 regular DNQs at most races.



#30 MikeV1987

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 21:11

we need another manufacturer 



#31 DinocoBlue

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 21:21

we need another manufacturer 

Given that Kolles is backed by Romanian money - how about Dacia?

 

:p



#32 MikeV1987

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 21:25

Given that Kolles is backed by Romanian money - how about Dacia?

 

:p

 

now imagine james may announcing that on top gear... 



#33 Myrvold

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 22:07

HAHA! I've never heard the story about that team, 5 well spent minutes on Wikipedia and a good laugh :clap:

Even better to spend an evening on f1rejects.com ;D

Doesn't make much different tbh except leaders have more traffic to lap. Does anyone genuinely miss HRT or notice the difference while watching F1 races?


2 to 4 more spots for drivers to get!

Edited by Myrvold, 07 April 2014 - 22:09.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 23:47

Stefan-Honda?
 
Haas-Cosworth?
 
http://www.racecar-e...-teams-in-2015/


I thought I read somewhere that Haas was looking at Ferrari and the Kolles team possibly Renault.

Edit: http://adamcooperf1....-2015-f1-entry/ (for Haas Ferrari link-up)

A more recent story in Amus (suggesting Haas Ferrari or Mercedes and Kolles Renault) http://www.auto-moto...en-8292529.html

Edited by Exb, 07 April 2014 - 23:53.


#35 Petroltorque

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 06:30

Why would Haas want a Ferrari PU? Most of their customers will be looking elsewhere.



#36 Clatter

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:32

So what if they're just some more backmarkers? We had hopeless contenders filling up the grid for most of F1 history and someone has to be last after all. F1 needs more teams to give talented rookies a chance to impress even if they aren't connected to one of the big teams. 

Agree. And there is still the chance that todays backmarker can become tomorrows champion.



#37 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:05

Agreed with Clatter. Lock at Force India, they were left as backmarkers after the Jordan/Midland/Spyker ownership that lasted a few years, but here they are challenging for podiums. Any team with the right manegement and funding can become a success

 

I also think a lot of people are unfair to Marussia and Caterham, they have done a great job, when really has a new team started and been instantly competitive?

 

Looking back: Super Aguri had Honda backing and a race winning chassis, Toyota was a works team that had millions thrown at it, Stewart had a works Ford deal and the advantage of bridgestone tyres. The last proper new team to be competitive was probably Sauber in 1993



#38 billm99uk

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:09

I also think a lot of people are unfair to Marussia and Caterham, they have done a great job, when really has a new team started and been instantly competitive?

 

Looking back: Super Aguri had Honda backing and a race winning chassis, Toyota was a works team that had millions thrown at it, Stewart had a works Ford deal and the advantage of bridgestone tyres. The last proper new team to be competitive was probably Sauber in 1993

 

Brawn (OK, that's cheating, I know!)

 

Trying to think who was the most competitve new team before Sauber. Wolf?



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:21

Agreed with Clatter. Lock at Force India, they were left as backmarkers after the Jordan/Midland/Spyker ownership that lasted a few years, but here they are challenging for podiums. Any team with the right manegement and funding can become a success

 

 

That two second gap Mercedes->Force India should be filled by Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari.  FI certainly looks like it's competitive and a success, but it's really that those other three have failed and playing catch up.



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:47

That two second gap Mercedes->Force India should be filled by Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari.  FI certainly looks like it's competitive and a success, but it's really that those other three have failed and playing catch up.

The only teams that should occupy any spot is those that have earned it. If Force India are ahead of them (at the moment), then I'd classify that as a success (at the moment).

 

More teams are always welcome as far as I'm concerned. The larger the grid the better!


Edited by Fourjays, 08 April 2014 - 11:48.


#41 noikeee

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:04

Why would Haas want a Ferrari PU? Most of their customers will be looking elsewhere.

 

Good point but I doubt Ferrari won't catch up to some extent to the Mercedes power unit over the next few years - so the current Mercedes advantage is not that relevant as you'd think on first glance -, and the engines might be available at a discount or even at a free to facilitate the signing of talented young Ferrari Academy drivers.

 

Plus Ferrari might have an interest themselves to supply an American team for marketing purposes etc. I think they could get a much better deal out of Ferrari than at Mercedes who'll have a queue of people banging on the door wanting to buy engines at the moment.



#42 midgrid

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:16

Trying to think who was the most competitve new team before Sauber. Wolf?


I would say Jordan.

#43 S3baman

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:19

now imagine james may announcing that on top gear... 

 

Great news!!!! The Dacia Renault has just entered F1!!!!!!!

 

He'll make an entire Top Gear segment about this I'm sure.  :rotfl:  :rotfl:



#44 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:21

Brawn (OK, that's cheating, I know!)

 

Trying to think who was the most competitve new team before Sauber. Wolf?

 

Jordan.

 

Before that Onyx got a podium in its first season, before promply imploding due to being sold off to a rich playboy with no interest or knowledge of racing.



#45 Fastcake

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:34

It's not so much a case of wanting Ferrari power, Haas simply need any engine to get going. They have no clout to negotiate a supply deal with Mercedes, unless they really want to supply a new backmarker team. Haas running an inferior engine is simply a case of taking what they're given.

Of course, if any of those rumours involving Cosworth or Ford turn out to be true, then maybe there will be a better engine deal in place. Wait and see really, we don't even know for sure if anyone is going to join the grid next year.

#46 4MEN

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:38

http://www.dailymail...ding-chase.html

 

Haas Racing is the more likely of the two to make it to Melbourne and I'm guessing this means the end of Alexander Rossi at Caterham. Stefan GP is the other less likely entry.

Good. We need someone to end the Mercedes domination.



#47 Buttoneer

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 13:01

The only teams that should occupy any spot is those that have earned it. If Force India are ahead of them (at the moment), then I'd classify that as a success (at the moment).

 

More teams are always welcome as far as I'm concerned. The larger the grid the better!

I certainly support the notion that larger grids are better.  I would not support the idea that we want teams which are more than 2s a lap slower.  At the moment, that's everyone, including FI.



#48 PedroBR

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 14:46

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#49 superden

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 14:52

I like the picture above, nice choice. I was going to post a picture of a black hole myself.



#50 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 08:16

Haas due to be confirmed today by the FIA: http://www.forbes.co...ays-ecclestone/