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[Spoch]

In the just concoluded Baharin GP, Lotus driver Pastor Maldonado T bones sauber driver Gutierez, flips the car upside down putting Gutierez in serious danger and also other cars in the race. He gets a 10 second stop and go penalty and a 5 grid demotion for the next race. In Malaysia, Red bull driver Daniel Riccardo leaves the pits without one tire being properly fastened. He gets a 10 second stop and go penalty and a 10 place grid demotion for the next race. Maybe I am over reacting or being deluded but surely the former incident should deserve a harsher sentence. Your thoughts please. No equipment was damaged in the latter incident nor was anyone put in grave danger

Edited by Spoch, 07 April 2014 - 02:53.

[eronrules]

in case of Daniel ricciardo, his overall penalty was the accumulation of several smaller penalties, i.e 

 

1. not fastening the wheel nut properly

2. false traffic signal light

3. crew members not wearing proper gear and pushing the car backwards

 

one could argue that Esteban was wrapped around in a CF survival shell that did it's job perfectly. but a stray wheel on the pit lane is much more dangerous and team members appearing on the pit lane without proper gears while the pit lane is open could result in catastrophic accidents and teams must be warned against this. this IMO, DR's penalty was valid.

 

thus, it was given that he'd recieve such penalties as they are written in the rule book. he was penalised for something he didn't personally do but hey, F1 is a team sport.

 

for Pasta Malintention though, he did what he did. but a portion of blame also falls on Esteban G. as the saying goes, 'to clap, you need both hands'.

 

pasta got 10s stop go for spearing into Esteban, the flipping was unintentional as the wheels touched. so you can't say pastor intentionally wanted Esteban flipped. also he'll carry the punishment to the next race with a 5 place grid penalty (which will probably mean starting dead last).

 

i don't' really know as of now if he's been given penalty points or not.

 

so, it's not the crime, but the circumstances that results in the severity of the punishment.

[eronrules]

edit ... now i've seen pasta been given 3 penalty points. 

[Spoch]

It is a lot harder to brake from top speed than slow accelaration. Gutierez had picked his breaking point maldonado was coming out of the pits and had a gung ho approach to the whole thing strange he should get a more lenient punishment

[Option1]

LOL Guittierez on the outside on the straight, and turning into a corner that was all his by any measurement was responsible for being speared by a deranged moron leaving the pits???  Now I've seen every form of idiocy on this board.

 

And no, the penalty given Pastor Malformedidoit was no where near appropriate, especially when taken in comparison with the one imposed on Riccardo.

 

Neil

[eronrules]

but we don't know if maldonado was adusting something on his wheel or if he had left his mind in the garage ...

 

 

bottom line is, if he wasn't given 3 penalty points, i'd have agreed with you. but his punishment matches his crimes.

 

and please don't let Esteban's flipping bias your judgement, it just happened and i'm sure unintentionally too. the nose or the driver had nothing to do with it.

 

what is more, this season so far, in my eyes, sutil has been more dangerous than Maldonado. did u see his coming together with Romain in Quali??? that was intentional and dangerous. 

[eronrules]

LOL Guittierez on the outside on the straight, and turning into a corner that was all his by any measurement was responsible for being speared by a deranged moron leaving the pits???  Now I've seen every form of idiocy on this board.

 

And no, the penalty given Pastor Malformedidoit was no where near appropriate, especially when taken in comparison with the one imposed on Riccardo.

 

Neil

 

please don't twist my words, it the braking zone when a car is leaving the pits, the driver on the main straight should always maintain some consciousness about it. i'm not blaming esteban in any way, it's just that in the past, we have seen many people avoided such collisions (2013 kimi vs romain hungaroring). maybe he didn't see, i digress.

 

same sort of accident happened earlier in the race between bianchi and sutil. no one's bitching about it now. 

[KWSN - DSM]

I think the 10 spot drop in following race for Red Bull / Ricciardo is written into the rules. The idea being that the teams need to learn not to let a car out with lose wheels.

 

 

 

[Skinnyguy]

What Maldonado did is a text-book drive through, not more and not less. Overoptimistic dive that normally ends up in a spin, this time ended up in a roll. That should make little difference.

 

In Spa 2012 a driver pushed another driver that was alongside him to the grass. That resulted in contact. Both drivers lost control and a huge pile up was generated because the first corner was a hairpin towards the side of the road where the inciden. The offence itself was pretty common (putting someone alongside on the grass down a straight) yet he got a ban. I´m not saying it was a bad decission but I think the fireworks and the domino effect should count a little less than the offence itself.

[Zoetrope]

I think the 10 spot drop in following race for Red Bull / Ricciardo is written into the rules. The idea being that the teams need to learn not to let a car out with lose wheels.

 

Yup. Racing accidents and pit-stop accidents are two different things. If Ricciardo was handed more severe penalty for less offensive behaviour on track, then yes it would be inconsistency from the stewards.

[Clatter]

in case of Daniel ricciardo, his overall penalty was the accumulation of several smaller penalties, i.e 

 

1. not fastening the wheel nut properly

2. false traffic signal light

3. crew members not wearing proper gear and pushing the car backwards

 

one could argue that Esteban was wrapped around in a CF survival shell that did it's job perfectly. but a stray wheel on the pit lane is much more dangerous and team members appearing on the pit lane without proper gears while the pit lane is open could result in catastrophic accidents and teams must be warned against this. this IMO, DR's penalty was valid.

 

thus, it was given that he'd recieve such penalties as they are written in the rule book. he was penalised for something he didn't personally do but hey, F1 is a team sport.

 

for Pasta Malintention though, he did what he did. but a portion of blame also falls on Esteban G. as the saying goes, 'to clap, you need both hands'.

 

pasta got 10s stop go for spearing into Esteban, the flipping was unintentional as the wheels touched. so you can't say pastor intentionally wanted Esteban flipped. also he'll carry the punishment to the next race with a 5 place grid penalty (which will probably mean starting dead last).

 

i don't' really know as of now if he's been given penalty points or not.

 

so, it's not the crime, but the circumstances that results in the severity of the punishment.

No it wasn't. He got the penalty laid down in the rule book for the unsafe release only.

[Brother Fox]

for Pasta Malintention though, he did what he did. but a portion of blame also falls on Esteban G. as the saying goes, 'to clap, you need both hands'.

  

please don't twist my words ... i'm not blaming esteban in any way.

You wanna try that again?

[johnmhinds]

I don't think either penalty was unwarranted, but I don't see how stop and go or grid penalties are relevant to either Riccardo or Maldonado's incidents.

 

​Making a driver stop for 10 seconds in the pit lane or pushing them down the grid isn't going to change anything happening out on track.

Edited by johnmhinds, 07 April 2014 - 17:13.

[Andrew Hope]

Ricciardo's penalty was written in the rules before the season started and Red Bull clearly don't care too much about unsafe releases which they probably should since they were a millimeter away from killing a cameraman last year and this seems to have taught them nothing. In other words, releasing a car that then has a wheel fall off and bounce down the pit lane is much more dangerous than making a mistake and crashing into someone at 40mph on the first corner, and this remains true regardless of whether you really like Ricciardo and really hate Maldonado.

[eronrules]

  


You wanna try that again?

 

no, i admit defeat ... since AS won't allow me to modify my early post ... (for some reason, it's not working  )