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#151 PorcupineTroy

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 03:33

:rotfl:
I really don't understand what the big deal is. I guess I'm just used to seeing it watching Hockey here in Canada.
 
Being offended by booing is a totally alien concept to me. It's usually done in jest and with a smile on your face. All in good fun.


Haha, glad I'm not the only one.

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#152 MrPodium

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 04:48

Haha, glad I'm not the only one.


I'm of the same opinion, too. To be honest I find the "oh, we're not mentally subnormal chav football fans, more tea vicar?" attitude far more offensive than booing. It's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I don't think that the boos will carry on to Singapore, though.

#153 noikeee

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 09:43

The drivers don't like it. 

 

Of course they don't like it.

 

You think Hamilton's Family was nice?  It really wasn't. 

 

I've no idea what are you referring to.

 

The problem with booing is that it can turn to something more ugly - especially when people are drinking.

 

Really? When was the last time we saw the people watching the podium getting into a brawl?



#154 skid solo

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 10:20

Nothing :|
 
Try to show F1 fans how awful it is and shame them out of the behavior.


In a pantomime booing is as important as cheering! When Rosberg's engineer said 'he's behind you' and Rosberg forgot where to brake into turn 1, I heard a big cheer and I could have sworn I was watching Cinderella!

#155 Buttoneer

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 10:43

You can't beat a bit of pantomine villainy.



#156 BRG

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 18:03

Oh yes you can!



#157 bourbon

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 22:03

 

The drivers don't like it. 

 

Of course they don't like it.

 

So it is not all fun and games to everybody then.

 

 

You think Hamilton's Family was nice?  It really wasn't. 

 

I've no idea what are you referring to.

 

Spain's version of pantomine villainy.      http://metro.co.uk/2...l-abuse-624183/    http://www.telegraph...m-in-Spain.html 

 

 

The problem with booing is that it can turn to something more ugly - especially when people are drinking.

 

Really? When was the last time we saw the people watching the podium getting into a brawl?

 

The above behavior isn't bad enough for ya?  That was the cummulative effect of petty behavior which started with jeers and boos and built up to that over time.  


Edited by bourbon, 10 September 2014 - 22:09.


#158 superdelphinus

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 22:11

I think they should ban booing like everything else that gives this sport some semblance of character and humanity. In fact just replace the entire thing with robots.

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 02:47

I think they should ban booing like everything else that gives this sport some semblance of character and humanity. In fact just replace the entire thing with robots.

 

Booing shows lack of character and the petty, vindictive side of humanity.   Replacing the entire audience with robots is a good suggestion, but that isn't possible - yet.



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#160 Exb

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 03:08

Don't paint all the fans with the same brush - there were a lot of people there who weren't booing him under the podium, and the few that were soon stopped when he told then something in Italian (I have no idea what but it worked)



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Posted 11 September 2014 - 11:26

Booing shows lack of character and the petty, vindictive side of humanity. 

Perhaps that would be the sort of state of mind and motivation which would drive YOU to boo, and I'm sure that some might feel the same.  For others, it's a bit of fun or a rare opportunity to make their feelings known about something they didn't like.  It's never a good idea to judge others by ones own standards.



#162 noikeee

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 12:07

 

 

The drivers don't like it. 

 

Of course they don't like it.

 

So it is not all fun and games to everybody then.

 

 

You think Hamilton's Family was nice?  It really wasn't. 

 

I've no idea what are you referring to.

 

Spain's version of pantomine villainy.      http://metro.co.uk/2...l-abuse-624183/    http://www.telegraph...m-in-Spain.html

 

 

The problem with booing is that it can turn to something more ugly - especially when people are drinking.

 

Really? When was the last time we saw the people watching the podium getting into a brawl?

 

The above behavior isn't bad enough for ya?  That was the cummulative effect of petty behavior which started with jeers and boos and built up to that over time.  

 

 

I've already said racism is a problem, booing isn't. And I think you might be fairly isolated in your interpretation that booing leads people to be racist, mob mentality or not.



#163 Tsarwash

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 12:29

I think that booing at a motorsport event is petty and small minded. People have a right to express themselves, and I have a right to judge them for those expressions. If I was at an event with a friend, and they started booing, I would return home without them. 



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Posted 11 September 2014 - 13:43

What if they were designated driver?  Would you sit in the passenger seat and just refuse to talk to them?



#165 MrPodium

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Posted 11 September 2014 - 14:08

Some of the reactions I've read regarding how people think and what they would do about booing is actually worse than the booing itself!



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Posted 11 September 2014 - 19:41

Booing shows lack of character and the petty, vindictive side of humanity. Replacing the entire audience with robots is a good suggestion, but that isn't possible - yet.


It's still humanity. We can't just get rid if things we don't like. I'm not a particularly huge fan or booing either, but at least it demonstrates passion and engagement with what is going on. I'd much rather that than neutral polite clapping like you get on the outer courts at Wimbledon.

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 14:11

What Rosberg did was a booable offence imo. If fans feel the results were unfair or unjust booing is legitmized. Fans bought the tickets and have the right to voice their displeasure.

When Vettel was booed last year because he won too many that wasn't a booable reason.



#168 bauss

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 14:20

What Rosberg did was a booable offence imo. If fans feel the results were unfair or unjust booing is legitmized. Fans bought the tickets and have the right to voice their displeasure.

When Vettel was booed last year because he won too many that wasn't a booable reason.

 

I think what Vettel did to Webber in Malaysia was also part of the booing reason



#169 bub

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 15:19

I'm against booing unless there is a valid reason. IMO there were valid reasons to boo Vettel and Rosberg for a race or two.



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 15:50

If I was at an event with a friend, and they started booing, I would return home without them.


Sure.

#171 Tsarwash

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 16:58

What if they were designated driver?  Would you sit in the passenger seat and just refuse to talk to them?

Good point. I just don't think booing is appropriate in motorsport. I have read about and seen footage of too many deaths to even consider it. I know the risk of death or serious injury is much reduced in F1 these days, but I don't think that it has gone away for good. 



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Posted 12 September 2014 - 23:00

I think what Vettel did to Webber in Malaysia was also part of the booing reason

Valid point.



#173 bourbon

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 03:42

Perhaps that would be the sort of state of mind and motivation which would drive YOU to boo, and I'm sure that some might feel the same.  For others, it's a bit of fun or a rare opportunity to make their feelings known about something they didn't like.  It's never a good idea to judge others by ones own standards.

 

No.  Nothing would drive me to boo.  That is what booing against single competitors from other people  represents to me, independent of  what they feel inside.  We can't know some other person's inner feelings, so what is important is what they show and how that is perceived by others, imo.  My perception of booing single competitors is that it is petty and vindictive because of the consequences of it.   In this I do judge others by my own standards which some are not living up to at all.

 

People feel lots of things are 'fun' - including some very nefarious activities.  Negative mob behavior is 'fun' as long as you are not the one being mobbed.  Moreover, with social media, all those booers have an outlet and ample opportunity to make their feelings known about something they don't like.  There are other methods as well, better and worse than booing. 

 

Let's put it this way - any activity that starts off with the goal of a mob of people making another human feel bad over something trivial (i.e., short of serious criminal behavior) is petty and vindictive behavior.  People may find it fun or entertaining or a means of expressing themselves, but the ends outweigh the means in this instance so a new means should be found.


Edited by bourbon, 13 September 2014 - 03:45.


#174 bourbon

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 03:52

It's still humanity. We can't just get rid if things we don't like.

 

Sure we can, we do it all the time.  Jails, ending friendships, changing social understanding and behavior are just a few ways we get rid of things we don't like.  To use a very uncontroversial example, back in the day, a lot of people stopped liking the fact that going without a hat meant they were a social pariah and slowly but surely the hats came off and bare heads were not disrespectful and a sign of poverty or lack of class. 

 

 

I'm not a particularly huge fan or booing either, but at least it demonstrates passion and engagement with what is going on. I'd much rather that than neutral polite clapping like you get on the outer courts at Wimbledon.

 

 

There is loud rambunctious cheering at GPs, not polite clapping.  The former also shows passion and engagement.  There is no need for boos unless a serious crime is committed.  The architects of Crashgate deserved boos, not some guy that has a racing incident.



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Posted 13 September 2014 - 05:10

Some of the reactions I've read regarding how people think and what they would do about booing is actually worse than the booing itself!

 

hahahah

 

My first experience of booing at a sporting event.. I think it was Australia vs Pakistan one day international at the Gabba, many many years ago.  Back when there was the outer, the greyhound race track, the old scoreboard.  A stinking hot day and a full house of rowdy passionate cricket fans (no internet back then, so everyone had to actually leave the house and do things for entertainment).  There'd be lots of 'Mexican waves' at certain times of the day.. and other crowd interactive activities.  In some ways this was more fun, than the cricket itself.  The waves were fun, but the problem would be that everytime the wave would go around, it'd always stop and die at the members area.  So then, you'd have 3/4 of the crowd booing the members stand, and chanting "members are wankers".  :lol:

 

I guess the point is, I've never taken it very seriously.  Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's not.  But I don't see it as a big thing, and if I were with a girl and she started booing.. I wouldn't "return home without her", I'd like her even more, that she could be so emotionally invested in a sport or the players.  Instead of pretending to be, but actually being bored.  Maybe I'm just odd.

 

I don't see it as a big thing.  For me, it's a part of the sporting experience, and I don't think it's worth taking seriously.  People smile, people frown.  Crowds cheer, crowds boo.  Maybe it's a cultural thing or it is more personal in certain situations though.  In a tennis match for example, or in F1.. where you are clearly booing one person.. maybe it's more personal.  In WWE, they'd want you to boo.  Whether someone is liked or hated, it's an emotional reaction and it's something.  In F1 it's a bit different.. I honestly haven't thought about it much.  F1 is a rare sport where it travels all around the world.  Every race is a different language/culture and on most tracks the crowd doesn't even really have a presence.  In some ways F1 is so commercial and corporate, it's barely a sport at all. :p  Wouldn't surprise me if there is someone beyond parc ferme who says "that boo just cost us 112k car sales in the next 12 months".  But then there's the Howard Stern thing, he became one of the most controversial and most listened to radio hosts by being over the top, going against that corporate sort of mindset.  And a lot of the people that would listen, didn't like him or hated him, yet they'd still listen and make him more famous.  "Any attention is good attention" and the negative feedback would be just as good as the positive and would generate more interest, more profit etc.  How many radio hosts have a movie made about their life?  Getting a bit off topic now..

 

But even when crowds boo the referee in football, it's not personal.  They would boo regardless of who that referee is, and it's a part of home advantage and can help sway the games.  Makes for a more lively exciting atmosphere than everyone in suit and tie sitting in silence.  At one point in human history, people would get in a crowd and cheer as they sat and watched lions eat people.  That was worse. :p

 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 16:45

So some fans were booing Vettel on the podium less than 1/2 an hour after a driver was seriously injured. They may not have been aware of the incident, but I find that so distastful. If I was Mansell, of the drivers, I would have lost my rag with the one or two insensitive idiots in the crowd. 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 16:47

So some fans were booing Vettel on the podium less than 1/2 an hour after a driver was seriously injured. They may not have been aware of the incident, but I find that so distastful. If I was Mansell, of the drivers, I would have lost my rag with the one or two insensitive idiots in the crowd. 

Why were they booing Vettel? That's so 2013



#178 DS27

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 16:50

Shows the class of people that do it really.

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 16:55

i believe Bourbon claimed that their wouldn't be any booing at Suzuka? 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 16:59

You rarely know that much when you're sitting in the stands, beyond what you can physically see and if you're lucky the world feed on the big screens, so it is unlikely any of the fans near the podium knew about Bianchi's accident.



#181 Myrvold

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 17:14

It sounded like there was one guy standing very close to the mic being quite loud with booing, cheering and so on really.



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 19:58

At least we now know that Sebbie-baby won't be booed at Monza next year.

 

Just everywhere else....



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Posted 06 October 2014 - 02:01

i believe Bourbon claimed that their wouldn't be any booing at Suzuka? 

 

I said there would be no booing of Nico, and I was right.  I would have been wrong if asked about Vettel because that makes no sense, since they did not boo Vettel last year.  And in fact, Vettel has not been booed on the podium (race or qually) all season - even in Canada where they were loudest last season.  So I have to imagine it was a couple of fans upset about the countback because the gridpole showed Dan in 3rd and I doubt there were announcements due to what was happening with Jules - plus that is what Seb mentioned right before the individual sounded his displeasure. 

 

In the end, I still find the behavior of booing in these circumstances idiotic, unacceptable and unsporting unless the person has done something criminal.  It is one of the few topics on which I have no sympathy or respect for the opposing view.  :well:



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Posted 06 October 2014 - 02:27

I boo this thread. Boo hoo. :-)

#185 muramasa

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 03:52

Was it really boo?
I was there but not at podium, but didn't hear boo at least from distance. Watched it on tv at night (not recorded live full- coverage one but then-on-air program) but didn't notice, so need to search some videos to check it.
I was with iPad so knew what was going on to some extent but very few people at the venue would follow real time info closely mad like me, so most should have no idea.
Even if it's indeed boo, they may be just copying what they see in tv and teasing or doing it for fun rather than being mean , kind of wannabe mindset. Still shameful tho, but some people are like that (face palm).

Edited by muramasa, 06 October 2014 - 04:05.


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Posted 06 October 2014 - 06:48

i think it was suggested some one shouted expletives at vettel and made some noise when he was on the podium. sounded like only a few people though.



#187 teejay

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 06:52

Definitely someone who screamed  "f**** you Seb"

 

I am unsure if it was a German accent and coming from the RBR garage area



#188 muramasa

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 07:18

Japanese know phrases like f--- for sure, but most don't know what those vulgar phrases actually means. some people say it casually , like fashion. You watch tv shows here and it's kind of usual to see comedian or whoever saying that word. It's kind of same as those funny and strange english writings on clothes sold in japan.
Vice versa as well, many of those Japanese logos or tattoos found outside japan are funny or don't make sense or sometimes inappropriate.

Still shame tho. Seb booing is famous so became quite well known in japan now too, so I wouldn't be surprised if some people do that as sort of fashion and mimic.

Why were they booing Vettel? That's so 2013

If it was indeed by Japanese, they most likely are copycat. That's why it comes a bit late.

Edited by muramasa, 06 October 2014 - 07:20.