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[quasi C]

Some quotes from the ubiquitous Omnicorse:

 

"I've Been at Ferrari 14 years. I left Italy at 21. I've had experience in Asia, South America and USA. My role has always been to assemble teams and bring out talents. We've always reached important [high] objectives."

 

"First moves? First let's see what good there is and then maybe we'll change. You can always go in the [engineer] market but they have to give us added value since we already have an excellent team. At Maranello there is already an incredible amount of talent, I've never seen so many passionate people in a company and we have to get the best out of them"

Edited by quasi C, 18 April 2014 - 15:44.

[shonguiz]

Crucial did not point the finger at Brawn for today's shortcomings, he said that it was not the fault of the people taking over the team that the facilities were outdated. This goes expecially for Fry, who was kind of shocked about what he found.

 

Unprepared in 2006, absolutely. Not for the F1 of 2006, but for the F1 that would come. I have no doubt that Brawn would have gotten everything in place if he had cared and stayed with the team. But the fact is he didn't, and I made it clear that one can't blame him. Nothing of this changes the fact that the new guard had a lot of problems to clean up.

 

And if you read my post it did include LdM in the people to blame. As for mercenaries, I am pretty sure Fry and Allison do not care at all because they are professionals and don't have the hobby of taking things out of context so that they can whine about them on the internet.

They found so much to clean that with that "shocking " infrastrcture  they produced the best 2007 & 2008 cars.

[KnucklesAgain]

They found so much to clean that with that "shocking " infrastrcture  they produced the best 2007 & 2008 cars.

 

I can't help you if you still have not understood that the rules changed at that point.

[AlexS]

Yes the rule changes made the aero rule above everything else. Compounded with drastic testing limitations this was a shot trough Ferrari heart they didn't understood. What is shocking is that they needed to get to 2013 to have a workable wind tunnel.

Edited by AlexS, 18 April 2014 - 17:15.

[shonguiz]

I can't help you if you still have not understood that the rules changed at that point.

Are you doing it on purpose ? And it was Brawn's duty to take care of that for Dom 3 years in advance ?? What is this, baby sitting or F1 team management ? When Brawn & co were there, they did what should have been done, their winning are a testimony for that and contrary to what is being said, they didn't leave the team in a "shocking" mess, they left it in an enough good shape for it to produce another two stellar cars. You act like domenicali was appointed in 2012 and has discovered that the WT was crap, he was appointed in 2008 and since then complained three times about the wind tunnel, every time they said they fixed it but it wasn't. How on earth can that be blamed on the dream team if the guy is trusting the wrong people to run his business ?? I too think the poor guy has been too much criticised, but that doesn't mean that you have to redirect the blame to the former dream team to clean his name.

[KnucklesAgain]

Are you doing it on purpose ? And it was Brawn's duty to take care of that for Dom 3 years in advance ?? What is this, baby sitting or F1 team management ? When Brawn & co were there, they did what should have been done, their winning are a testimony for that and contrary to what is being said, they didn't leave the team in a "shocking" mess, they left it in an enough good shape for it to produce another two stellar cars. You act like domenicali was appointed in 2012 and has discovered that the WT was crap, he was appointed in 2008 and since then complained three times about the wind tunnel, every time they said they fixed it but it wasn't. How on earth can that be blamed on the dream team if the guy is trusting the wrong people to run his business ?? I too think the poor guy has been too much criticised, but that doesn't mean that you have to redirect the blame to the former dream team to clean his name.

 

This post has very little to do with what I wrote.

[AustinF1]

Ferrari quickest in FP1 and 2nd in FP2, 4 tenths off Merc pace. Update package working? Car even  looks quicker in the straights and much more solid in the corners. Best speed trap placement yesterday was 5th. Best in Bahrain was 13th.3rd quickest in S1, 1st in S2, and 2nd in S3.

 

We'll see how Q works out, but it's interesting. Maybe they've found some things. Everyone brought update packages this week. Maybe Ferrari's updates are making the biggest strides. I doubt this has anything at all to do with Mattiacci. Did Stefano quit a week too early? I mean, everyone knew there were no big updates for Bahrain, and that the next 4 races Ferrari would be bringing updates.

Edited by AustinF1, 18 April 2014 - 18:14.

[OSX]

 

Did Stefano quit a week too early?

The right question would be that was Stefano fired a week too early. Fired as in given the option by the board of directors to either A. hand over his resignation or B. suffer the humiliation of being officially fired. When given the choice executives tend to choose the option A.

[AustinF1]

The right question would be that was Stefano fired a week too early. Fired as in given the option by the board of directors to either A. hand over his resignation or B. suffer the humiliation of being officially fired. When given the choice executives tend to choose the option A.

Either way...maybe it was too soon? Everyone knew the car was going to be slow in Bahrain & everyone knew the update was coming.

[Szoelloe]

 

Ferrari quickest in FP1 and 2nd in FP2, 4 tenths off Merc pace. Update package working? Car even  looks quicker in the straights and much more solid in the corners. Best speed trap placement yesterday was 4th. Best in Bahrain was 13th.3rd quickest in S1, 1st in S2, and 2nd in S3.

 

We'll see how Q works out, but it's interesting. Maybe they've found some things. Everyone brought update packages this week. Maybe Ferrari's updates are making the biggest strides. I doubt this has anything at all to do with Mattiacci. Did Stefano quit a week too early? I mean, everyone knew there were no big updates for Bahrain, and that the next 4 races Ferrari would be bringing updates.

 

 

No, he quit at least 2, but more like three years late.

[photon]

What happened to Domenicali is the closest thing to literally being fired as ever happens in Italy except in the rarest of situations where an individual has humiliated a superior personally and publicly.  Italy has distinct customs on this.

[AlexS]

No Domenicali shouldn't even be there in first place. When he arrived even the pit operations dropped the ball abruptly.

 

Ferrari quickest in FP1 and 2nd in FP2, 4 tenths off Merc pace. Update package working?

 

We can only say that when we have 2 or 3 circuits where the behavior of the car is similar. If the circuits are way different even better.

[KnucklesAgain]

The pit operations dropped because they tried new things (lights system) which took a bit to perfect. Yes, Massa dragging the hose along looked hilarious and invited "spaghetti culture" jokes from the more simple-minded, but the lights system is now used by all teams. Yet Ferrari is still the best team in pit operations and has been for a few years now.

[KnucklesAgain]

What happened to Domenicali is the closest thing to literally being fired as ever happens in Italy except in the rarest of situations where an individual has humiliated a superior personally and publicly.  Italy has distinct customs on this.

 

Lauda just said on the RTL coverage that he has heard that it was SD's own decision.

[Szoelloe]

Lauda just said on the RTL coverage that he has heard that it was SD's own decision.

 

The chain of evets suggest that is true. As I said earlier, I believe the mistake he made is not resigning a few years ago. I always had the bad feeling that LdM is leading him and the whole team by the nose.

[jjcale]

Just seen that LdM took over Ferrari in 1974 as a 26 year old lawyer ..... so maybe this guy will be OK

[OSX]

Lauda just said on the RTL coverage that he has heard that it was SD's own decision.

Well, it is the official version. Who hasn't heard that.

 

The chain of evets suggest that is true.

The chain of events as told to us by Scuderia Ferrari...

[Massa]

And it can be true.

Edited by Massa, 19 April 2014 - 10:20.

[Neophiliac]

Two years ago people were talking as if it was inevitable that Vettel would go to Ferrari to continue the Schumacher-Raikkonen-Alonso line where Ferrari always somehow got the most highly regarded driver in F1. But now, after LdM took things over in 2008, it seems like being at Ferrari has been, and still is, a certain way to not win championships. People will say I'm premature, but I feel like that tradition that brought Raikkonen in 2007 and Alonso in 2010 will be over now. I don't see Ferrari getting someone similar to replace them when they hand in their badges.

Yes, new HQ is the key here... I mean, just look at Mclaren's roaring success since they built their house on a lake.

My take here is that this is all about the people. If the new TP is better at (1) attracting new engineering talent and (2) allocating roles and responsibilities among the staff - great. If not, this is all just much politics that won't be good for anything at all. I have doubts at the moment. I think the engineering talent at Ferrari is currently not sufficient for the job, Fry and Alison notwithstanding. I say this very conscious of sounding like a know-it-all armchair analyst, but nevertheless the evidence of (a) Ferrari's continued and worsening struggles over the years since RB departure (b) Red Bull domination since they got Newey and © Merc's resurgence since they went on a hiring spree are pretty conclusive. So I think the TP needs to spend some heavy-duty time recruiting more 'mercenaries'. As among Ferrari, Merc, Mclaren and Red Bull, the competition is really all about the human resources: budgets are about equal and whatever disadvantages anyone of them has in terms of facilities are imminently resolvable.

[KnucklesAgain]

Well, it is the official version. Who hasn't heard that.

 

The chain of events as told to us by Scuderia Ferrari...

 

Sorry if I was unclear, from the way he said it I don't think he meant that he heard the official version.

[ExFlagMan]

I guess Ferrari are in safe hands with this new guy, as he stated he is going to try 150% to improve things - I guess Dominicali's problem was he was only trying 110%.

[Risil]

I guess Ferrari are in safe hands with this new guy, as he stated he is going to try 150% to improve things - I guess Dominicali's problem was he was only trying 110%.

 

So long as it's not 1000 percent I think Ferrari are safe.

[kosmos]

Fernando Alonso: “ And I think this podium should be dedicated to Stefano, as everything we do up to July will also be the result of his efforts. - See more at: http://formula1.ferr...h.vqPuBwHN.dpuf

 

 

 

Brillant on the track and off the track.

Edited by kosmos, 20 April 2014 - 13:14.

[Atreiu]

I'm telling you, Alonso will make a fantastic TP in about a decade.

[aray]

I'm telling you, Alonso will make a fantastic TP in about a decade.

if he decides to be in the game,he can be very successful team owner in the long run...

Edited by aray, 20 April 2014 - 15:17.

[f1rules]

 

Fernando Alonso: “ And I think this podium should be dedicated to Stefano, as everything we do up to July will also be the result of his efforts. - See more at: http://formula1.ferr...h.vqPuBwHN.dpuf

 

 

 

Brillant on the track and off the track.

 

 

absolute class act 

[RubalSher]

if he decides to be in the game,he can be very successful team owner in the long run...

 

I doubt that. He is good at racing, not so good off it. He could have had a title in 2008 with McLaren if he knew how to behave off track (and maybe 2007 too if he had focused on his racing alone). He spent a further two years in the doldrums because of that and when he did finally get onto Ferrari, Ferrari was nowhere the top team anymore. He has made all the wrong moves off track as far as I can see it.

Edited by RubalSher, 20 April 2014 - 15:21.

[showtime]

I'm telling you, Alonso will make a fantastic TP in about a decade.

He will probably be... in cycling. 

[aray]

I doubt that. He is good at racing, not so good off it. He could have had a title in 2008 with McLaren if he knew how to behave off track (and maybe 2007 too if he had focused on his racing alone). He spent a further two years in the doldrums because of that and when he did finally get onto Ferrari, Ferrari was nowhere the top team anymore. He has made all the wrong moves off track as far as I can see it.

 

that was his learning curve..he was young,too successful..his ego got better of him...but he sought out his temperament afterwards and came out as a stronger driver ....

[turssi]

Mattiacci looked like a fish out of water at the pit wall. I bet that this will soon change.

I also think that he should bring in Hulk as a test driver for next year or at least 2016. Announcement should be made as soon as possible.

This way he would send a message that he is now in charge and has a plan for when his mature top drivers start to retire.

[Frankbullitt]

Good first race for him to be in charge of, if the updates that are coming bring nice steps forward then it will be all the easier for him.

[TheNecromancer]

Its about time for Domenicali to take the blame and step down, it may not be completely his fault but hes clearly partially responsible for Ferrari's struggles in recent years. Ferrari needs a supreme leader, and he's nowhere near this material so he should just sit back and give this position to whoever capable of running the franchise.

[turssi]

@necrom: is that a joke?

[chipmcdonald]

There is something there between the lines.

Montezemulo was always outspoken about Alonso not performing, and not disparaging the car.

The car wasn't directly Dominicali's fault per se. Firing SD won't make the engine lighter, or the car's aero better.

Alonso made a point to publically acknowledge SD on the podium.

I'd suggest that in conjunction with hiring Kimi, "someone" may have a problem with Fernando, and SD didn't lower the axe and has now been replaced by someone who might be willing to do so, someone from afar that doesn't have personal inhibitions.

Otherwise - not being at the forefront engine wise is not a managerial problem.

[aray]

There is something there between the lines.

Montezemulo was always outspoken about Alonso not performing, and not disparaging the car.

The car wasn't directly Dominicali's fault per se. Firing SD won't make the engine lighter, or the car's aero better.

Alonso made a point to publically acknowledge SD on the podium.

I'd suggest that in conjunction with hiring Kimi, "someone" may have a problem with Fernando, and SD didn't lower the axe and has now been replaced by someone who might be willing to do so, someone from afar that doesn't have personal inhibitions.

Otherwise - not being at the forefront engine wise is not a managerial problem.

SD was a disposable entity...Alonso is not....

 

also Luca never criticized Alonso's performance....he was angry due to Alonso criticism of Ferrari....

[AlexS]

 

Otherwise - not being at the forefront engine wise is not a managerial problem.

Of course it is. it is the management that chooses people, rewards people, punish people. The engine debacle has all Domenicali lackadaisical culture behind it: always reacting to events, never at front.

[kosmos]

Montezemulo was always outspoken about Alonso not performing,

 

I think you are out of touch, Montezemolo has never criticized Alonso for his driving, never.

Edited by kosmos, 26 April 2014 - 09:55.

[KnucklesAgain]

There is something there between the lines.

Montezemulo was always outspoken about Alonso not performing, and not disparaging the car.

The car wasn't directly Dominicali's fault per se. Firing SD won't make the engine lighter, or the car's aero better.

Alonso made a point to publically acknowledge SD on the podium.

I'd suggest that in conjunction with hiring Kimi, "someone" may have a problem with Fernando, and SD didn't lower the axe and has now been replaced by someone who might be willing to do so, someone from afar that doesn't have personal inhibitions.

Otherwise - not being at the forefront engine wise is not a managerial problem.

 

Yeah, it's a big surprise they didn't fire the massively underperforming Alonso years ago