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#901 Atreiu

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:00

Fully possible to rebuild.

Just a couple bulldozers to clear the path and lay a new tarmac on it and job is done.

 

That would be too expensive. But they could easily recreate the spirit of the low downforce high speeds original circuit by simply overpassing turn 7 and going straight to the turn 10 exit. Problem solved. We'd get the high speeds back, the lap time and lap distance would be much closer to what is currently ideal (compared to the old circuit), no TV crew or grandstand would have to be set far away in the woods (which would remain untouched,by the way) and the calendar would gain one truly distinguished circuit which would add variety and allow less predictable results.

 

But F1 never goes for the simple and uncomplicated.



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#902 johnmhinds

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:01

It's a successful race though. It attracts a good crowd, is well supported, and is now the standard place to do business in F1. That places it above most new Grands Prix.

 

None of those things have anything to do with the actual racing though. :p

 

The stop start nature of the Singapore circuit layout has been pretty crappy for producing any close racing so far (the only memorable moments have been crashes), at best i'd describe it as a night time Valencia.....



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:07

It's a successful race though. It attracts a good crowd, is well supported, and is now the standard place to do business in F1. That places it above most new Grands Prix.

 

I understand that, I just do not consider this a Grand Prix which should be run where it is, at the time it is. I have no issue in Singapore getting a Grand Prix, should be on a race track and run at 02:00PM local time.

 

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#904 Timstr11

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:14

Bernie has just ensured that his big friends in Austria are guaranteed of a full house at the Austrian GP. I'm sure he did not even make serious effort to come to an agreement.

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 19:26

None of those things have anything to do with the actual racing though. :p

 

The stop start nature of the Singapore circuit layout has been pretty crappy for producing any close racing so far (the only memorable moments have been crashes), at best i'd describe it as a night time Valencia.....

 

Aye, but between a poor race in the middle of nowhere, and a poor one that is well supported and has some local character, the latter is at least something to cheer about. We don't get much of that in modern Formula One!

 

With the street races like Singapore and Valencia, I have wondered if there's any desire to modify the layout. The contract for the race is presumably signed between Bernie and the city, rather than a promoter tied to any individual circuit, so it should be possible. They're limited to what they can design around the streets of Singapore, and moving to another part of the city would require a new pits/paddock area, and the FIA would have to approve a new layout of course. It just needs the willpower and a bit of extra funding.

 

I understand that, I just do not consider this a Grand Prix which should be run where it is, at the time it is. I have no issue in Singapore getting a Grand Prix, should be on a race track and run at 02:00PM local time.

 

:cool:

 

Is there actually a race track in Singapore? Or room to build one? Genuine question, I'm intrigued.

 

I think you're fighting a valiant battle against decades of commercialism. I don't think there are any sports nowadays that don't change their start times to suit the television audience.



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 19:48

Aye, but between a poor race in the middle of nowhere, and a poor one that is well supported and has some local character, the latter is at least something to cheer about. We don't get much of that in modern Formula One!

 

With the street races like Singapore and Valencia, I have wondered if there's any desire to modify the layout. The contract for the race is presumably signed between Bernie and the city, rather than a promoter tied to any individual circuit, so it should be possible. They're limited to what they can design around the streets of Singapore, and moving to another part of the city would require a new pits/paddock area, and the FIA would have to approve a new layout of course. It just needs the willpower and a bit of extra funding.

 

 

Is there actually a race track in Singapore? Or room to build one? Genuine question, I'm intrigued.

 

I think you're fighting a valiant battle against decades of commercialism. I don't think there are any sports nowadays that don't change their start times to suit the television audience.

 

Land in Singapore is preciously expensive, they have reclaimed a lot the past 20 - 30 years I do not think there would be room for a track anywhere but next to Changi Airport, they have a number big parks, but as they are also nature preserves they can not be used. The sport should cater to the TV audience, but for the local audience, if Formula One wants to primarily cater to Western Europe then they should hold the races in Western Europe.
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There should be exactly 1 city track, Monaco all races should start 02:00PM except for Monaco where it should start whenever the Prince wants it to start. I know I am battling windmills, but so be it.

 

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#907 Leprechau

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 22:59

In Italy, it was a disaster too:

363.380 viewers in Sky for 2015 versus 614.634 from last year

http://www.omnicorse...-chi-e-la-colpa

 

Dis ain't gun end gud foh F1



#908 king_crud

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 23:52

That would be too expensive. But they could easily recreate the spirit of the low downforce high speeds original circuit by simply overpassing turn 7 and going straight to the turn 10 exit. Problem solved. We'd get the high speeds back, the lap time and lap distance would be much closer to what is currently ideal (compared to the old circuit), no TV crew or grandstand would have to be set far away in the woods (which would remain untouched,by the way) and the calendar would gain one truly distinguished circuit which would add variety and allow less predictable results.

 

But F1 never goes for the simple and uncomplicated.

 

you're kind of missing the point why people liked the old circuit, because it looked good. Going through  the forest looked great, I remember my first year of watching the whole F1 championship (from Australia) and Hockenheim stood out as a brilliant circuit, even though the race was boring. It looked fking sexy



#909 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 19:34

Vettel win Malaysia Grand Prix in a Ferrari.

 

I am sort of intrigued to see if this will make any difference in the number of German viewers for the next Grand Prix, is there a measurable / arguable difference. Something like:

 

Scenario one

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Viewers of Bahrain GP 2014, 5 million.

Decrease then was 50% compared to 2013.

Decrease first 2 GP's 2015 25% compared to 2014, for Bahrain GP decrease from 2014 only 10%

 

Scenario two

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Viewers of Bahrain GP 2014, 5 million.

Decrease then was 50% compared to 2013.

Decrease first 2 GP's 2015 25% compared to 2014, for Bahrain GP increase from 2014 of 'x%'

 

Being a Ferrari fan I would like to see scenario two happening.

 

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#910 Sin

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 19:50

http://www.motorspor...e-15033011.html

 

This says after the decline of tv ratings in 2014 and in Melbourne this year, Malaysia the ratings are slowly getting better.

 

100.000 people more than last year saw this year in Sepang. Marketshare 35,9% . About 4,3mio people in average watched it.



#911 Elba

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 20:06

http://www.motorspor...e-15033011.html

 

This says after the decline of tv ratings in 2014 and in Melbourne this year, Malaysia the ratings are slowly getting better.

 

100.000 people more than last year saw this year in Sepang. Marketshare 35,9% . About 4,3mio people in average watched it.

LOL I expected the ratings to be up as the usual doom and gloom mongers were remarkably absent from here  :lol:

 

Thanks for the link Sin, most remarkable quote imo:
 

 "Unsere grundsätzliche Position ist, dass die Formel 1 nach wie vor eine gute Performance in Sachen Einschaltquote und Reichweite abliefert. Es gibt kaum noch Formate, die mehr als fünf Millionen Zuschauer oder mehr generieren. Von regelmäßigen Marktanteilen von 30 Prozent und mehr ganz zu schweigen. Die Formel 1 schafft das noch."

 

 

"Our position is that F1, as they did before, delivers good value in both amount of viewers and market share. There are hardly any formats that generate more than 5 million viewers nowadays, let alone formats that generate a >30% market share. Formula 1 still delivers both"

 

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#912 quasi C

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 20:19

Numbers were up for this race in Italy too.

 

+21% compared to last year.


Edited by quasi C, 30 March 2015 - 20:20.


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Posted 30 March 2015 - 20:20

http://www.motorspor...e-15033011.html

 

This says after the decline of tv ratings in 2014 and in Melbourne this year, Malaysia the ratings are slowly getting better.

 

100.000 people more than last year saw this year in Sepang. Marketshare 35,9% . About 4,3mio people in average watched it.

 

Is there a place to check the gate receipts compared to last year for Malaysia? It seemed like the stands were half empty on the straights.



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Posted 30 March 2015 - 20:35

F1 is saved. Thank you, Sebastian Vettel!



#915 Elba

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 20:43

Is there a place to check the gate receipts compared to last year for Malaysia? It seemed like the stands were half empty on the straights.

There will be a press release in the weeks to come from the Malaysian promoter, if I see it I'll link you to it 



#916 josepatches

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 21:06

After the results to start the season for the team and Seb's win surely the ratings should increase next race. Ferrari is more popular than Jesus. :clap:



#917 rasul

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 21:10

Numbers were up for this race in Italy too.

 

+21% compared to last year.

Source? Want to show it to a friend who thinks F1 is dead. 



#918 043Max

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 21:22

Isn't it possible that a big ammount of the tv audience simply switched to watch the races online on all kind of devices?

 

It surely will not explain the huge huge part of the audience, but at least some (maybe half of it?)



#919 quasi C

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Posted 30 March 2015 - 21:27

Source? Want to show it to a friend who thinks F1 is dead. 

sure but it's in italian:

http://www.omnicorse...e-motogp-su-sky



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#920 Tourgott

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 12:44

http://www.motorspor...e-15033011.html

 

This says after the decline of tv ratings in 2014 and in Melbourne this year, Malaysia the ratings are slowly getting better.

 

100.000 people more than last year saw this year in Sepang. Marketshare 35,9% . About 4,3mio people in average watched it.

 

Which is still 1,4 million down to 2013.


Edited by Tourgott, 31 March 2015 - 12:57.


#921 midgrid

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 12:49

A question for the German forumers: when Schumacher moved to Ferrari, did the country's interest in F1 become even higher, or was it already at its maximum during his Benetton years?

 

(Not just in terms of TV viewing figures, but general public interest.)


Edited by midgrid, 31 March 2015 - 12:49.


#922 Tourgott

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 12:56

A question for the German forumers: when Schumacher moved to Ferrari, did the country's interest in F1 become even higher, or was it already at its maximum during his Benetton years?

 

(Not just in terms of TV viewing figures, but general public interest.)

 

Interest definitely increased but I don't think it was because of Ferrari. The combination of Ferrari + Schumacher became a legend when he won his first championship. See also:             #790            



#923 Elba

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 13:07

A question for the German forumers: when Schumacher moved to Ferrari, did the country's interest in F1 become even higher, or was it already at its maximum during his Benetton years?

 

(Not just in terms of TV viewing figures, but general public interest.)

No the big boost in interest and viewers came after his Benetton years.

In 1994 there were some 3.55 mio TV viewers on average, at it's highest point the amount of viewers was 10.44 mio in 2001



#924 Sin

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 15:05

I didn't watch F1 before 2000 or 2001 , I was 13 or 14 then... and I kept watching because I had a teenage crush on Heinz-Harald Frentzen, I also liked his yellow car.... but it was more shallow following...

 

First in 2012 I started to follow F1 more intensly, cause the people driving now are about my generation.... like Sebby is 1 year younger than me... 

 

dunno Schumi never really caught my attention as much... tho that might have been a case of not liking him because everyone else liked him...



#925 midgrid

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:23

U.S. viewing figures are on the up.



#926 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 15:45

 

Still incredibly low considering how many people live here.

 

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#927 johnmhinds

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 17:09

Still incredibly low considering how many people live here.

 

:cool:

 

The race was in the middle of the night for US viewers though.



#928 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 17:33

The race was in the middle of the night for US viewers though.

 

True that, what were the ratings on the re-run then? I see all qualifying, all races live regardless of when during day it is, makes it part of what a Global series is for me, I am one of the old-timers so me and my viewing is of little consequence, most races in the US will be at 'odd' hours when live.

 

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#929 Tourgott

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:33

Just wanted to update the last two races:

 

China

3,82 Mio. - 0,09 Mio.

 

Bahrain 

4,91 Mio. - 0,17 Mio.

 

http://www.motorspor...h-15041315.html

http://www.motorspor...4-15042014.html



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 11:35

Interest definitely increased but I don't think it was because of Ferrari. The combination of Ferrari + Schumacher became a legend when he won his first championship. See also:             #790            

 

of course because of Ferrari



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 12:35

Just wanted to update the last two races:

 

China

3,82 Mio. - 0,09 Mio.

 

Bahrain 

4,91 Mio. - 0,17 Mio.

 

http://www.motorspor...h-15041315.html

http://www.motorspor...4-15042014.html

 

I think there once again is a German Driver in Ferrari effect, a loss of viewers but a much small loss than the falling of a cliff numbers this thread started out with. Based on Bahrain seems that Ferrari will continue to make it interesting, Ferrari in the battle is always the best scenario for F1 (personal opinion, backed by zero science, but absolutely 100% correct to myself).

 

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:50

Spain

4,25 Mio. - 0,45 Mio.

 

http://www.quotenmet...=n&p2=78140&p3=

 

The decline accelerates.



#933 SenorSjon

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:05

Does it count people falling asleep? Because then it could reach a million. ;)



#934 Tourgott

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:09

Actually I'm one of them. :p  Felt asleep in lap 9 or 10 and woke up in lap 22.



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Posted 11 May 2015 - 09:12

Consider that last year's decline (as listed in the opening post) was already 1,2 million compared to 2013.

 

A drop from almost 6 million to just over 4 million in two years time is pretty dramatic.



#936 uffen

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 13:44

Well, based on many of the theories stated in this thread, it seems that any country's efforts to attract masses of tourist dollars by forking over huge $ to Bernie is a big waste of effort. If the fewer and fewer people who follow F1 find other ways to watch the sport, then what's the big draw for the government money? After all if it is on TV, internet, streaming, etc., etc., what does it matter where the actual race is coming from?



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Posted 11 May 2015 - 14:02

Spain

4,25 Mio. - 0,45 Mio.

 

http://www.quotenmet...=n&p2=78140&p3=

 

The decline accelerates.

Market share: 32,0% (up from 28,9% in 2014)

Market share among advertising-relevant target group of 14 to 59-year-olds: 28,8% (up from 23,5% in 2014)



#938 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 14:36

I love demographics like '14-59', ie almost everyone.



#939 nosecone

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 14:40

I love demographics like '14-59', ie almost everyone.

But this is not Bernie's target group if i remember correctly



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#940 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 14:46

3 Spanish drivers this weekend, and gaping empty stands. We are repeating ourselves, the commercial rights holder is doing a p...poor job at how the series is handled.

 

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 15:03

Market share: 32,0% (up from 28,9% in 2014)

Market share among advertising-relevant target group of 14 to 59-year-olds: 28,8% (up from 23,5% in 2014)

 

Market share went up because of the perfect sunny weather combined with Mother's Day which led to weak TV figures at other broadcasters.

In general there's no competition for Formula 1 on Sunday afternoon in German television. In this case even 30% market share is bad for RTL though. Back in the days they had >50%.


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 15:34

Market share has improved over 2014 for every race this season except Australia (which was broadcast an hour earlier this year). It was not a one-off due to the good weather.

Back then we had Schumacher, who brought F1 to the masses. It was the same with Boris Becker and tennis. A single person makes a sport popular, once he or she leaves the popularity of the sport rapidly declines.



#943 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 15:39

Less viewers, higher share = less people watching TV - no?

 

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 15:42

give lower teams more FOM money.

Bring uk back to FTA.

Get 2nd trye supplier.

Add refueling.

give points for quali and reverse grid (the one good bernie idea), I would also make FP after the race, so they all blind on setups.

improve the tv directing its plain aweful currently. with excessive full screen slowmo replays. lack of onboard etc.



#945 Tourgott

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 16:12

Less viewers, higher share = less people watching TV - no?

 

:cool:

 

Yes, and that's why the market share is irrelevant for Formula 1 (no competition on Sunday afternoon), and not comparable this year (Australia, Malaysia and China one hour earlier). Bahrain had nearly the same market share (29,2% / 27,5%) and I already explained why Spain had a significant higher market share.

 

Anyway, compared to 2013 view figures as well as market share declined dramatically.