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#901 Atreiu

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:00

Fully possible to rebuild.

Just a couple bulldozers to clear the path and lay a new tarmac on it and job is done.

 

That would be too expensive. But they could easily recreate the spirit of the low downforce high speeds original circuit by simply overpassing turn 7 and going straight to the turn 10 exit. Problem solved. We'd get the high speeds back, the lap time and lap distance would be much closer to what is currently ideal (compared to the old circuit), no TV crew or grandstand would have to be set far away in the woods (which would remain untouched,by the way) and the calendar would gain one truly distinguished circuit which would add variety and allow less predictable results.

 

But F1 never goes for the simple and uncomplicated.



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#902 johnmhinds

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:01

It's a successful race though. It attracts a good crowd, is well supported, and is now the standard place to do business in F1. That places it above most new Grands Prix.

 

None of those things have anything to do with the actual racing though. :p

 

The stop start nature of the Singapore circuit layout has been pretty crappy for producing any close racing so far (the only memorable moments have been crashes), at best i'd describe it as a night time Valencia.....



#903 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:07

It's a successful race though. It attracts a good crowd, is well supported, and is now the standard place to do business in F1. That places it above most new Grands Prix.

 

I understand that, I just do not consider this a Grand Prix which should be run where it is, at the time it is. I have no issue in Singapore getting a Grand Prix, should be on a race track and run at 02:00PM local time.

 

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#904 Timstr11

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 18:14

Bernie has just ensured that his big friends in Austria are guaranteed of a full house at the Austrian GP. I'm sure he did not even make serious effort to come to an agreement.

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 19:26

None of those things have anything to do with the actual racing though. :p

 

The stop start nature of the Singapore circuit layout has been pretty crappy for producing any close racing so far (the only memorable moments have been crashes), at best i'd describe it as a night time Valencia.....

 

Aye, but between a poor race in the middle of nowhere, and a poor one that is well supported and has some local character, the latter is at least something to cheer about. We don't get much of that in modern Formula One!

 

With the street races like Singapore and Valencia, I have wondered if there's any desire to modify the layout. The contract for the race is presumably signed between Bernie and the city, rather than a promoter tied to any individual circuit, so it should be possible. They're limited to what they can design around the streets of Singapore, and moving to another part of the city would require a new pits/paddock area, and the FIA would have to approve a new layout of course. It just needs the willpower and a bit of extra funding.

 

I understand that, I just do not consider this a Grand Prix which should be run where it is, at the time it is. I have no issue in Singapore getting a Grand Prix, should be on a race track and run at 02:00PM local time.

 

:cool:

 

Is there actually a race track in Singapore? Or room to build one? Genuine question, I'm intrigued.

 

I think you're fighting a valiant battle against decades of commercialism. I don't think there are any sports nowadays that don't change their start times to suit the television audience.



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 19:48

Aye, but between a poor race in the middle of nowhere, and a poor one that is well supported and has some local character, the latter is at least something to cheer about. We don't get much of that in modern Formula One!

 

With the street races like Singapore and Valencia, I have wondered if there's any desire to modify the layout. The contract for the race is presumably signed between Bernie and the city, rather than a promoter tied to any individual circuit, so it should be possible. They're limited to what they can design around the streets of Singapore, and moving to another part of the city would require a new pits/paddock area, and the FIA would have to approve a new layout of course. It just needs the willpower and a bit of extra funding.

 

 

Is there actually a race track in Singapore? Or room to build one? Genuine question, I'm intrigued.

 

I think you're fighting a valiant battle against decades of commercialism. I don't think there are any sports nowadays that don't change their start times to suit the television audience.

 

Land in Singapore is preciously expensive, they have reclaimed a lot the past 20 - 30 years I do not think there would be room for a track anywhere but next to Changi Airport, they have a number big parks, but as they are also nature preserves they can not be used. The sport should cater to the TV audience, but for the local audience, if Formula One wants to primarily cater to Western Europe then they should hold the races in Western Europe.
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There should be exactly 1 city track, Monaco all races should start 02:00PM except for Monaco where it should start whenever the Prince wants it to start. I know I am battling windmills, but so be it.

 

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#907 Leprechau

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 22:59

In Italy, it was a disaster too:

363.380 viewers in Sky for 2015 versus 614.634 from last year

http://www.omnicorse...-chi-e-la-colpa

 

Dis ain't gun end gud foh F1



#908 king_crud

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 23:52

That would be too expensive. But they could easily recreate the spirit of the low downforce high speeds original circuit by simply overpassing turn 7 and going straight to the turn 10 exit. Problem solved. We'd get the high speeds back, the lap time and lap distance would be much closer to what is currently ideal (compared to the old circuit), no TV crew or grandstand would have to be set far away in the woods (which would remain untouched,by the way) and the calendar would gain one truly distinguished circuit which would add variety and allow less predictable results.

 

But F1 never goes for the simple and uncomplicated.

 

you're kind of missing the point why people liked the old circuit, because it looked good. Going through  the forest looked great, I remember my first year of watching the whole F1 championship (from Australia) and Hockenheim stood out as a brilliant circuit, even though the race was boring. It looked fking sexy