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#1 eronrules

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 07:42

cossy wants a return to indycar ... that's something good to start the thread with.

 

Cosworth partners with IndyCar, claims more progress toward engine supply

 

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yeah i know it's the F1 V6, but hey, all they need to do is re-bore it to 2.2 litre ... no sweat   ;)

 

according to cosworth owner Kevin Kalkhoven

 

 

 


"We have a Formula 1 V6 design, we have an IndyCar design, and our real issue is not so much our ability to build it as IndyCar's ability to come to terms with a manufacturer," 
"We're in the process of building a new $40 million manufacturing plant in England that will be state-of-the-art, and we have a number of contracts for halo road car and racing engines."

 

 

Cosworth confirmed in February that IndyCar formed part of its plans to return its core focus to motorsports, and while it has already held initial talks with the series, any program would require it to be partnered with an engine manufacturer. Cosworth marketing director Tom Buckler said that conversations with potential affiliates are progressing well.


"We're talking actively to two, potentially three, manufacturers at the moment, and we're in the process of setting up some meetings, hopefully around the [Indy] 500, to take that forward," he said. "Technically, we know we can do it. We've done it before, and there's not really a doubt in the mind of Bruce Wood, our technical director, that we could design a race-winning engine.

"The business case, we believe, makes sense. We've done analysis, and the exposure the brand would get – not just from winning the 500, but even running the championship – there's a very positive ROI [return on investment] in that."

 

meanwhile ...

 

Chevrolet would welcome Cosworth back to IndyCar

 

Chevrolet IndyCar program manager Chris Berube told Autosport he believes Cosworth would be able to compete equally with Chevrolet and Honda, the only current engine suppliers to the IndyCar series.

“I don’t have any information one way or the other as to what Cosworth’s doing, but there’s no hiding the fact that we would welcome another manufacturer into the series,” Berube told Autosport. “The way the formula is in the series right now, I think they could be competitive.

“This is not a ‘He who spends the most money wins’ scenario. If they have the experience that their name suggests, I think the opportunity to be competitive is there.”

 



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#2 prommer

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 22:15

I saw this thread a few days ago and thought it was a little early but... lo and behold:

 

IndyCar commits to New Orleans race in 2015

 

http://m.apnews.com/...ntguid=7h8lezIl

 

At NOLA Motorsports Park, a Barber-esque road course.  No date yet, but the organizers want June.  Of course.  Indycar wants February, one would assume.  That's what Randy Bernard was saying 2 years ago anyway.



#3 Risil

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 22:19

Good news! Here's to Road America next and then some ovals.



#4 SR388

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 22:56

I want Bristol on the calendar.

#5 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 23:28

We tried that on Indycar Racing 2 in the late 90s. It was too crazy to describe.



#6 teejay

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 01:07

Good old Papyrus.

 

Road America.. please? Pretty please



#7 MattPete

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 01:40

We tried that on Indycar Racing 2 in the late 90s. It was too crazy to describe.

 

Oi, I remember that.  I think you described the experience perfectly.  For those of you who have not tried it, running IndyCars at Bristol would make as much sense as running them up Pike's Peak (pre-2010), using a standing start.



#8 Prost1997T

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 13:53

According to Jenna Fryer, Andretti Sports Marketing will be promoting the New Orleans race.

 

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Andretti Sports Marketing will promote 2015 #IndyCar race at NOLA



#9 Prost1997T

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 23:30

More schedule news: http://www.indystar....alker/10182825/

 

Dubai (possibly the Autodrome), Brasilia (Autodromo Nelson Piquet), Phoenix, Michigan, Nashville all mentioned as possible venues on the 2015 schedule.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 00:41

More schedule news: http://www.indystar....alker/10182825/

 

Dubai (possibly the Autodrome), Brasilia (Autodromo Nelson Piquet), Phoenix, Michigan, Nashville all mentioned as possible venues on the 2015 schedule.

No and No

Surfers Paradise and Motegi, yes and yes.



#11 HaydenFan

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 01:00

Have they rebuilt the Motegi oval? I knew it had some damage from the tsunami, hence the move to the road circuit in it's final year. Plenty of Japanese road circuits that would make the cut for IndyCar. 

 

Would like Surfers back. But from the sound of things in Australia in regards to IndyCar, doesn't seem likely. 

 

Always thought the Durban street circuit used in A1GP was pretty good. But would probably require Scheckter back in the car. And I don't see that occurring either. 



#12 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 02:42

Have they rebuilt the Motegi oval? I knew it had some damage from the tsunami, hence the move to the road circuit in it's final year. Plenty of Japanese road circuits that would make the cut for IndyCar. 

 

Would like Surfers back. But from the sound of things in Australia in regards to IndyCar, doesn't seem likely. 

 

Always thought the Durban street circuit used in A1GP was pretty good. But would probably require Scheckter back in the car. And I don't see that occurring either. 

I would have nominated Singapore, but BE would have kittens...



#13 HaydenFan

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 02:49

I would have nominated Singapore, but BE would have kittens...

 

Just what the world needs; more spawn of Bernie roaming the world. 

 

How serious is the F1 thing in Mexico City going? Wouldn't mind seeing the series return to the country to the south. But first, I think a second Canuck round is something that is very needed to be put together. 



#14 Pikachu Racing

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 04:45

I like see them go back to Michigan and make it 500 miles. For past few years they been talking about Phoenix but nothing comes out of it. Another one I like see the race back is Kentucky



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:08

More schedule news: http://www.indystar....alker/10182825/

 

Dubai (possibly the Autodrome), Brasilia (Autodromo Nelson Piquet), Phoenix, Michigan, Nashville all mentioned as possible venues on the 2015 schedule.

 

Bring 'em on. The series is still a bit short on venues. OK I'm not sure why Dubai would get the nod over others, but Brazil is a must. Returning to any of those ovals would be nice too.

 

PS. What's with the 2nd and 3rd irrelevant parts of the article in that link?



#16 king_crud

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:54

no to the middle east, yes to Mexico, Canada, Australia and South America



#17 Prost1997T

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 10:58

Have they rebuilt the Motegi oval? I knew it had some damage from the tsunami, hence the move to the road circuit in it's final year. Plenty of Japanese road circuits that would make the cut for IndyCar. 

 

Would like Surfers back. But from the sound of things in Australia in regards to IndyCar, doesn't seem likely. 

 

Always thought the Durban street circuit used in A1GP was pretty good. But would probably require Scheckter back in the car. And I don't see that occurring either. 

 

Motegi would require Honda support, and I can't see that happening when they already back 2-3 domestic races. Don't really care for more street circuits at this point.

 

Bring 'em on. The series is still a bit short on venues. OK I'm not sure why Dubai would get the nod over others, but Brazil is a must. Returning to any of those ovals would be nice too.

 

 

 

Dubai = $$$, same reason F1 is in the Middle East.



#18 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 11:13

Those would be smart moves from event standpoints because the series would make money. But I don't know where the money is coming to pay for the running of the cars?

 

It's more races(so more money), at a weird part of the year(so possibly harder to get that money) in places faraway(that the sponsors may not like). On the other hand you may see some new drivers that have partial budgets in some cars, but overall I just don't see what it does.



#19 Prost1997T

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 11:39

Presumably the increased sanction fee from a race like Dubai would go into higher prize money\increased Leaders Circle payments. As for sponsors, some of the teams already rotate them anyway (and some like DHL have an international presence).



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#20 lustigson

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 13:17

If Honda and Chevy would be joined by Cosworth (with whatever badge), all IndyCar would need is those aero packages to at least appear to be a top-flight championship in stead of a one-make series. The racing's already there, I reckon.



#21 Option1

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 15:04

What's wrong with it being a one-make series?  Especially since it is.

 

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#22 Andrew Hope

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 16:47

If they went to Mosport and Phoenix I'd think Christmas came early.



#23 Prost1997T

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 16:51

What's wrong with it being a one-make series?  Especially since it is.

 

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Formula Nippon clone with ovals isn't compelling enough?



#24 Imateria

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 17:01

I remember the Champ Car race at Mont Tremblant in 2007, an excellent track I'd like to see back.



#25 Rob G

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 17:38

It's important to note that the Middle East is a market for the Chevrolet brand.



#26 HaydenFan

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 19:29

Would Normand Legault allow another single seater series to run Circuit Gilles Villeneuve? Take his years Canadian GP and mix it with the races NASCAR ran there, and bam! IndyCar in the French speaking part of Canuckistan. 



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 07:05

don't understand why not middle east? :rolleyes:



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 07:22

Would Normand Legault allow another single seater series to run Circuit Gilles Villeneuve? Take his years Canadian GP and mix it with the races NASCAR ran there, and bam! IndyCar in the French speaking part of Canuckistan.


Normand Legault non longer runs the Canadian GP. The track is in a municipal park and subject to a limit of 2 racing events per year so since NASAR left there's an opening. Every series that races there seems to put on a great show but I don't remember Champcar drawing huge crowds the few times they visited CGV. The up shot is the promoter of the second race saves a bit of money by using the grandstands from F1 among other temporary amenities that can be reused later that same summer. But with Tagliani and Carpentier out I don't see much local enthusiasm for an Indycar race. Now if 'ol Jacques were to land a full time _competitive_ ride for a couple years it might be worth the trouble.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:50

They won't support Hinchcliffe in Montreal?



#30 lustigson

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 09:36

What's wrong with it being a one-make series?  Especially since it is.

 

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It is, indeed. And there's nothing wrong with that. But it appears that IndyCar is trying to be a multi-make series again, by introducing — if they ever get there ;-) — aero packages and a third engine manufacturer.



#31 stewie

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 09:38

I'd like to see indycars at Montreal, would Bernard not chuck his toys out of his pram if both indycars and f1 raced there? Ala Austin?

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 16:10

I'd like to see indycars at Montreal, would Bernard not chuck his toys out of his pram if both indycars and f1 raced there? Ala Austin?

 

I know COTA is trying to get an IndyCar race on their packed schedule. Sounds like IndyCar is the one failing with that deal. And the little British gentleman hasn't said anything against it. Much like I don't recall him fighting to keep Champ Car out of Montreal. Or even with the Sao Paulo street race and the Interlagoes circuit. 



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 17:04

It's interesting that racing fans tend to determine what's a one-make series by looking at chassis suppliers and not engine manufacturers. Or even tyre companies.  ;)



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 17:45

Gone are the funds of being able to test and develop a car over the course of a season. That was the backbone of the multiple chassis in Indy Car in the past. The aero package is a good thing. But from what I see the engine suppliers don't care whether they are there or not, and in response we see them postponed year after year as nobody wants to fund their development. Heck, at one point in the late 80's-early 90's, CART had seen a few teams making their own chassis (Galles, Truesport, Penske). 

 

And who'd want the new chassis? Even if you are replacing them every 3-5 years, in a generation or two (or even less), everyone will move towards the most competitive car. Right now the competitive package is the Chevrolet engine. Outside of Andretti (who should be regretting that move, unless there was financial incentives for them), everyone who is winning races is running that motor. Ganassi switched after only two seasons of the DW-12 -Honda combo. 



#35 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 18:17

The Ganassi move was weird, though maybe they signed the switch way early. They weren't exactly shit last year. They're probably worse, on balance, this year? In some ways I'd say Andretti re stronger this year than last. And I've wondered if it's down to engines.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 18:26

Wasn't the Ganassi move before Honda announced they were switching to a twin-turbo (which was before the series required all engines being twins)? 



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 19:53

Gone are the funds of being able to test and develop a car over the course of a season. That was the backbone of the multiple chassis in Indy Car in the past. The aero package is a good thing. But from what I see the engine suppliers don't care whether they are there or not, and in response we see them postponed year after year as nobody wants to fund their development. Heck, at one point in the late 80's-early 90's, CART had seen a few teams making their own chassis (Galles, Truesport, Penske). 

 

And who'd want the new chassis? Even if you are replacing them every 3-5 years, in a generation or two (or even less), everyone will move towards the most competitive car. Right now the competitive package is the Chevrolet engine. Outside of Andretti (who should be regretting that move, unless there was financial incentives for them), everyone who is winning races is running that motor. Ganassi switched after only two seasons of the DW-12 -Honda combo. 

That's true. Honda needs to up their game, as Chevrolet is getting the wins and championships in the bag ever since 2012.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 21:04

Last year had some Honda wins and even a championship. And they're 2 for 3 on 500s. So...



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 21:47

Doing the math, and since 2012, it is split 26-16 in favor of Chevrolet. 2013 was an improvement, with 9 wins of the 19 races. But in terms of podiums, Honda leads 62-53 (both averaging 12 full time entries a year). But Chevrolet beats Honda in pole positions with 26 to 16. More equal when looking at the numbers than most think (including myself before doing the math). 

 

But doing the math, I still look at who has the Chevrolet's. Ganassi and Penske. When two of the Big Three teams are running one engine over another, something from that engine has to be right. 


Edited by HaydenFan, 12 June 2014 - 21:49.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 22:02

Last year had some Honda wins and even a championship. And they're 2 for 3 on 500s. So...

I was talking about the manufacturers championship, not the engine used by the championship winning driver.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 22:29

I was talking about the manufacturers championship, not the engine used by the championship winning driver.

 

Honda seems to have poorer reliability, culminating in 3 blown engines at TMS this year. Hopefully they fix it, because I'd like to see RHR beat Power to another title :p



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 07:05

They won't support Hinchcliffe in Montreal?


I doubt many people know who he is. As it stands Indycar barely registers on local sport media's radar let alone main stream mass media....

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 08:37

Honda seems to have poorer reliability, culminating in 3 blown engines at TMS this year. Hopefully they fix it, because I'd like to see RHR beat Power to another title :p

 

No worries, at the end of the season Power will be leading but for whatever reason he will fail to win the title.  :drunk:



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:04

Eh, I heard the crowd cheering Hinchcliffe at Toronto last year, despite starting 3 laps down with a throttle issue.

 

 

No worries, at the end of the season Power will be leading but for whatever reason he will fail to win the title.  :drunk:

 

He doesn't crash out on ovals any more though. :p



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:47

 

He doesn't crash out on ovals any more though. :p

 

Nah nowadays he speeds in the pitlane.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 18:23

Nah nowadays he speeds in the pitlane.

Improvement right there!