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[travbrad]

Does anyone know of a site that lists all the wet F1 races there have been?  I am in the mood to go back and re-watch some older wet races.  Thanks

[Allan Lupton]

I am in the mood to go back and re-watch some older wet races.  Thanks

Try this one, then:

https://www.youtube....e&v=Hu_x-0PllUc

[Henri Greuter]

Out of the top of my head

 

1971 Zandvoort

1972 Monaco

1976 Japan

1979 South Africa

1981 Brazil and Canada

1983 Monaco

1984 Monaco

1985 Portugal

1988 England

1989 Canada

1991 Imola

1993 Brazil and Donington

1994 Japan???? or at least another race at the end of the season won by Hill

1996 Barcelona

1998 Spa

2000 Indianapolis and Canada

2001 Malaysia

 

No doubt there will be more but running the seasons through my head, these are the ones I can think off right now in which it did rain or had been a wet track at the start.

 

henri

[nicanary]

An interesting choice, Allan. Food for thought.

 

(NB wasn't the road narrow!)

[Allan Lupton]

An interesting choice, Allan. Food for thought.

 

(NB wasn't the road narrow!)

and wouldn't modern "racing" be better with narrower roads?

(not the tree-lined sort of course)

[nicanary]

and wouldn't modern "racing" be better with narrower roads?

(not the tree-lined sort of course)

I (like  most of us on this forum) could go on all day about this, but it's rather OT. Suffice to say that if the roads were narrower, they'd just cut back the scenery for about 100yds and cover everyting in sight with cushions.

 

Trees are not a good thing. Even at Oulton Park.

[arttidesco]

1989 Australian GP was a bit of an epic.

 

1978 Austrian GP Ronnie's last win.

 

And who will ever forget the 1975 Austrian GP ?

[RogerFrench]

1968 Nurburgring. I was there, can't forget that one.

[Henri Greuter]

1968 Nurburgring. I was there, can't forget that one.

 

No way that something like that should happen today.(I tend to say: fortunately)

 

Henri

[Collombin]

The "why doesn't someone tell Pedro it's raining?" quote could also be applied (in a less complimentary context) to Nelson Piquet at the 1988 German GP.

[Henri Greuter]

The "why doesn't someone tell Pedro it's raining?" quote could also be applied (in a less complimentary context) to Nelson Piquet at the 1988 German GP.

 

Same for the same driver in Brazil 1981 by the way.

 

In my country there is a proverb that only donkeys kick themselves onto the very same stone. Germany '88 gave Piquet the chance to get rid of the donkey status he still believed he had.....

 

Henri

Edited by Henri Greuter, 30 April 2014 - 13:45.

[Eric Dunsdon]

In the good old days when I were a lad (1950's) they werent called 'Wet Races', it just rained!.

[Roger Clark]

It never rained in the 1950s.

[D-Type]

It never rained in the 1950s.

It did, but with treaded tyres it didn't affect the cars and the races much.  The exception was Silverstone 1954 when the Continental tyres on the Mercedes cars were inconsistent and unpredictable in the changing conditions.

And fewer races per season reduced the number of wet races to a handful.

Edited by D-Type, 30 April 2014 - 20:59.

[dweller23]

I'm fairly sure that International Trophy in 1951 could be easily called wet in any circumstances.

[arttidesco]

It never rained in the 1950s.

 

 

I'm fairly sure that International Trophy in 1951 could be easily called wet in any circumstances.

 

As verified by British Pathe, "... there will be no records broken this time."

[Lee Nicolle]

Most of the 80s AGPs,,, spin spin spin!,, and possibly some early 90s ones too. At least a couple of Melbourne ones were too

[Roger Clark]

It never rained in the 1950s.

I didn't expect anybody to take that literally but I think there were proportionally fewer wet world championship races in the 50s than in subsequent decades - probably retribution from the Almighty for the permissive society in the 60s.

 

I don't know to what extent it is possible to blame tyres for Mercedes' defeat at Silverstone.  Gonzalez led from start to finish; a study of his lap times in auto course shows remarkable constancy even during wet periods.  Fangio was uncharacetrically erratic, his times often varying by several seconds from lap to lap (timing was to the nearest second, of course).  He was reported to be suffering from failing brakes and a need to hold the car in gear.  Uhlenhaut apparently told Pomeroy that the 1954 W196 had been designed with too much understeer making the handling unpredictable at the limit.  Whether the variation in lap times was due to Mercedes-Benz, Continental or (perish the thought) Fangio is difficult to say.

[Tom Glowacki]

Out of the top of my head

 

1971 Zandvoort

1972 Monaco

1976 Japan

1979 South Africa

1981 Brazil and Canada

1983 Monaco

1984 Monaco

1985 Portugal

1988 England

1989 Canada

1991 Imola

1993 Brazil and Donington

1994 Japan???? or at least another race at the end of the season won by Hill

1996 Barcelona

1998 Spa

2000 Indianapolis and Canada

2001 Malaysia

 

No doubt there will be more but running the seasons through my head, these are the ones I can think off right now in which it did rain or had been a wet track at the start.

 

henri

Zolder 1977 Gunnar Nilsson's only win.  I go half way around the world to have Mario crash out on the 2nd lap. . .

[dweller23]

Out of the top of my head

 

1971 Zandvoort

1972 Monaco

1976 Japan

1979 South Africa

1981 Brazil and Canada

1983 Monaco

1984 Monaco

1985 Portugal

1988 England

1989 Canada

1991 Imola

1993 Brazil and Donington

1994 Japan???? or at least another race at the end of the season won by Hill

1996 Barcelona

1998 Spa

2000 Indianapolis and Canada

2001 Malaysia

 

No doubt there will be more but running the seasons through my head, these are the ones I can think off right now in which it did rain or had been a wet track at the start.

 

henri

Some more:

Germany 1968

Great Britain 1975

France 1981 (although, like in case of South Africa 79 they red flagged it and waited for track to get a bit drier)

Germany 1988

South Africa 1993 (couple last laps)

San Marino 1993 (couple first laps)

Japan 1993

 

There was also snow during one of the races in 1973 in Great Britain, I think.

[Collombin]

there were proportionally fewer wet world championship races in the 50s

Slightly O/T to the original question, but within this criterion the rain shortened 1950 Indy 500 merits a mention.

[D-Type]

From an early Bruce Jones Encyclopedia of Formula 1, Races where it rained immediately before or during the race:

1950 Indianapolis

1951 Switzerland

1952 Belgium

1952 France

1952 Netherlands

1953 Britain

1954 Argentina

1954 France

1954 Britain

1954 Switzerland

1955 Netherlands

1956 Belgium

1956 Italy

1957 -

1958 Portugal

1959 -

14 races out of 86 - 16%

 

1960 Monaco

1961 Britain

1961 Germany

1962 Germany

1962 Italy

1963 Belgium

1963 France

1964 -

1965 Belgium

1965 USA

1966 Belgium

1966 Britain

1966 Germany

1967 Canada

1968 Netherlands

1968 France

1968 Germany

1969 -

16 races out of 89 - 18%

 

1970 -

1971 Netherlands

1971 Canada

1972 Spain

1972 Monaco

1972 USA

1973 Canada

1974 Brazil

1974 Spain

1974 Germany

1975 Monaco

1975 Netherlands

1975 Britain

1975 Austria

1976 Germany

1976 Japan

1977 Belgium

1977 Austria

1977 US East

1978 Austria

1979 South Africa

1979 US East

21 races from 144 - 15%

 

So the conclusion is that when you're young you siomply don't notice the rain

[eibyyz]

What was the first F1 GP (one that counted for the World Championship) which was stopped and not restarted? 1975 Britain?

[Collombin]

For rain, possibly. For any reason? That wasn't even the first event that season to be stopped early.

I think the 1971 Canadian GP would be first, due to fog.

[eibyyz]

For rain, possibly. For any reason? That wasn't even the first event that season to be stopped early.

I think the 1971 Canadian GP would be first, due to fog.

Thanks for that reminder.  I was wondering about rain specifically (trying to reinforce a viewpoint about how/when F1 cars became unable to adapt to rain).

 

'Preciate it!

[ensign14]

What was the first F1 GP (one that counted for the World Championship) which was stopped and not restarted?

 

Technically, all of them.  Otherwise we would still be doing Britain 1950.

[AJCee]

I believe the snow was the 1973 International Trophy at Silverstone.
The 1978 race was also rather damp…

[LordAston]

A couple more

 

1996 Monaco

2009 Malaysia

 

 

[Sterzo]

I believe the snow was the 1973 International Trophy at Silverstone.

I am just beginning to thaw out.

[Lee Nicolle]

Run a GP in Australia and it will rain.

[dbltop]

The Canadian race in 71 was delayed because of a fatality in a support race. It was actually called because of fading daylight.