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[MP422]

RIP Nigel, Very sad.

[Shambolic]

Ignorant anyway. Guy in this situation isn't thinking at all. Brain is shorted, he can't see past his sickness. Like saying a guy having a heart attack or a stroke while driving is being inconsiderate of the people around him on the street.

 

This is both true, and completely untrue.

 

A lot of people are if anything incredibly "rational" and thoughtful, and almost even serene, once they've reached that point. I don't want to go into detail, if only because it's massively off topic here, but once the decision is made, many people find it clears their thinking because they now have an end in sight and can pay attention to "loose ends", and implications.

 

That the mindset might have a skewed perception of what's considerate, is not the same as saying the brain has gone to crap and all thought of others is thrown out the window.

 

Whatever his wrongdoings in the past, it's still a shame for him, and a tragedy for his family, whether it was deliberate or not.

[Frankbullitt]

RIP.

[teejay]

A wasted talent thanks to whatever the hell happened in 2007. 

 

RIP

[George Costanza]

RIP to Nigel. He was an excellent mechanic for Ferrari back in the glory times.

[jals99]

RIP Nigel:(

[RedOne]

RIP

Sorry for his family and the poor guy who hit him, I pray for them.

Edited by RedOne, 03 May 2014 - 06:23.

[tifosiMac]

Tragic, he was never allowed to move on and was never going to get a break from 2007. Thoughts are with the family.

[saudoso]

Chill, Scotracer never said he didn't feel bad for Stepney.

The wording of the report makes it sound like a suicide--regardless, it's shocking. RIP.

No need to chil, just trying to educate ;)

[saudoso]

This is both true, and completely untrue.

 

A lot of people are if anything incredibly "rational" and thoughtful, and almost even serene, once they've reached that point. I don't want to go into detail, if only because it's massively off topic here, but once the decision is made, many people find it clears their thinking because they now have an end in sight and can pay attention to "loose ends", and implications.

.

You're right. Some know what they are doing, some are out of their mind.  So passing silly judgment of how inconsiderate of the others around someone is while taking his own life is ignorant behaviour.

 

Because you just don't know what's going on to be able to judge.

Edited by saudoso, 03 May 2014 - 11:28.

[The July Plot]

The amount of people banding around the word "suicide" in this thread is shocking. This is not the place for an ethical and moral discussion about suicide. Can people just stick to the established facts instead of jumping to conclusions based on some news paper reports and your own conformation bias.

 

Regardless, this is a tragedy for a man that achieved great things in F1, It is a tragedy for his wife and daughter. Very sad news.

 

RIP Nigel

Edited by The July Plot, 03 May 2014 - 11:53.

[Nonesuch]

Sad situation for all involved, especially the family of the deceased and the random driver who now has to give this event a place in his or her life.

 

Stepney was an important member of the fantastic Ferrari team of the 2000s, and for that I'm sure he'll be respected by supporters of the team - as well as many others.

 

His later behaviour in 2007 is a black mark on his career, but cannot erase his earlier contributions to the success of the Ferrari team.

 

Best wishes to his family.

[jrwb6e]

For someone to go out the way he did, he must have been in a horrible state of mind.  My condolences go out to his family.

 

I have a feeling that all that led to this tragedy predates his fallout with Ferrari.  And unfortunately, know one will ever know why he did it.

Edited by jrwb6e, 03 May 2014 - 20:24.

[Jejking]

I was looking forward to him to release the book titled "Red Mist". I think the circumstance surrounding his death is a bit suspicious.

He was working on a book?

[alfa1]

He was working on a book?

 

Yep. Supposedly an autobiography, and tell all revelation of what happened regarding the "spygate" scandal.

 

Apparently it was completely written, but the publisher made an announcement that it would be withheld from sale.

Its listed on Amazon as "Currently Unavailable".

 

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/0955662249

http://www.bookdepos...y/9780955662249

 

Cant recall what it was, but at one stage the book even had its own website.

 

One of the mysteries I'd like cleared up if anyone knows, is about the white powder found near the fuel tank of Kimis car that is said to have matched what was found in his pockets. The book would have cleared that up.

[BullHead]

The amount of people banding around the word "suicide" in this thread is shocking. This is not the place for an ethical and moral discussion about suicide. Can people just stick to the established facts instead of jumping to conclusions based on some news paper reports and your own conformation bias.

 

Regardless, this is a tragedy for a man that achieved great things in F1, It is a tragedy for his wife and daughter. Very sad news.

 

RIP Nigel

 

This, absolutely. This **** happens on motorways pretty often. Where has the "suicide" ideas come from?

[03011969]

Just heard. Sad news.

[ANF]

He was working on a book?

For some reason, no one wanted to publish it.
 

Nigel Stepney says that his plans to publish the full story of his adventures at Ferrari, in a book called Red Mist have had to be cancelled because the publishing company was "put under pressure" - but he does not know who was responsible for that because the publisher is unwilling to tell him what is happening ...

Todt went on to say that Ferrari has no reason to fear Stepney's accusations.

But obviously someone does because otherwise Stepney would not be having problems with his book.

Given that Stepney has not been allowed much of a voice in the scandal and was not involved in the FIA World Council meeting, we think it is fair to publish his letter to Mosley on August 30, explaining his part in the scandal.

"Dear President" it reads, "You and I have known each other for many years and you like I have always had Formula 1 at the centre of our heart. The issues that have arisen have indeed been ...

http://www.grandprix...ns/ns19721.html

[FizzyJerk]

Ignorant anyway. Guy in this situation isn't thinking at all. Brain is shorted, he can't see past his sickness. Like saying a guy having a heart attack or a stroke while driving is being inconsiderate of the people around him on the street.

Wow, you can choose to have a heart attack or stroke nowadays?...

[FizzyJerk]

I was looking forward to him to release the book titled "Red Mist". I think the circumstance surrounding his death is a bit suspicious.

Suspicious as in Ferrari had him killed or another form of suspicious? I'm intrigued. Please tell me more.

[FizzyJerk]

Yep. Supposedly an autobiography, and tell all revelation of what happened regarding the "spygate" scandal.

Apparently it was completely written, but the publisher made an announcement that it would be withheld from sale.
Its listed on Amazon as "Currently Unavailable".

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/0955662249
http://www.bookdepos...y/9780955662249

Cant recall what it was, but at one stage the book even had its own website.

One of the mysteries I'd like cleared up if anyone knows, is about the white powder found near the fuel tank of Kimis car that is said to have matched what was found in his pockets. The book would have cleared that up.

Not sure a partisan book can be a totally reliable source of information. But that's just me.

[pingu666]

it sounds like suicide because he walked onto the carriageway, and depression feels like the true reality

 

RIP

Edited by pingu666, 05 May 2014 - 01:58.

[garagetinkerer]

RIP Stepney... one could only feel sorry for the family...

 

 

_____________________________________________________________

 

@some posters in this thread...

 

It is good to know that almost everything in F1 is either Bernie/ Max/ Todt's fault, or of Ferrari/ RBR... sometimes learning about the sport is just not enough...

[garagetinkerer]

Not sure a partisan book can be a totally reliable source of information. But that's just me.

love your sig

[garagetinkerer]

For some reason, no one wanted to publish it.
 

Was it just me who noticed that he marked a copy of the letter to Dennis? Surely i can't have been alone in this.

 

Stepney did so many things wrong, it is almost how one would describe a situation for a double face-palm... or an epic fail. It would not have been the first time a team ran something which wasn't covered by the rules at the time. Usually teams handle such as described by Stepney himself... run it as long as there's not much sobbing from other teams and such. Poor decisions were made by him... and i feel/ think/ believe he is responsible in how he sunk his career. It wasn't bad luck, bad boss, or any such, but it was mostly his own doing.

 

With what i said. i may come across as a foul creature, but seriously just answering some posers hinted at... i do genuinely feel for his family and him. However, in my opinion based on all i had read (and it was a lot), there wasn't much room for interpretation around 2007.

[teejay]

For some reason, no one wanted to publish it.
 

 

7 years ago... I would LOVE to have heard his side of the story.

[SophieB]

The amount of people banding around the word "suicide" in this thread is shocking. This is not the place for an ethical and moral discussion about suicide. Can people just stick to the established facts instead of jumping to conclusions based on some news paper reports and your own conformation bias.

 

Regardless, this is a tragedy for a man that achieved great things in F1, It is a tragedy for his wife and daughter. Very sad news.

 

RIP Nigel

 

I would echo this. It may turn out that it was suicide, it could just as easily turn out to be a tragic accident. It adds little for people to be getting angry about him without having knowledge of the circumstances at hand. I'm not forbidding people wondering, but I would ask that people choose their words with thoughtfulness and care here.

 

As to his book, it was completed (as far as I know) and it was announced it was once again due to be published at the end of 2012, but that seems to have come to nothing. 

[Brother Fox]

Wow, you can choose to have a heart attack or stroke nowadays?...

That was kind of the point I think. You don't choose to have depression or any other mental illness either and then probably by extension you don't choose to commit suicide .

As a general comment on suicide, not saying this is the case here.

[OneAndOnly]

It seems to me that he was genuinely nice guy, somehow pushed into that scandal in 2007. Obviously it was too much for him. 

R.I.P.

[Absulute]

Very sad.  Best regards to his family.

[FizzyJerk]

That was kind of the point I think. You don't choose to have depression or any other mental illness either and then probably by extension you don't choose to commit suicide .

As a general comment on suicide, not saying this is the case here.

Correct you can't choose wether you have depression or not, might point was, is that you do have a choice on how to end it all and purposely involving other people.... well it's just not cricket.

Edited by FizzyJerk, 05 May 2014 - 16:46.

[study]

Very sad and the story of his live will probably never be uncovered

 

http://www.espn.co.u...ory/156363.html

[Brother Fox]

Correct you can't choose wether you have depression or not, might point was, is that you do have a choice on how to end it all and purposely involving other people.... well it's just not cricket.

Let's just say we disagree on how much choice you have in how you do it.

[garagetinkerer]

Very sad and the story of his live will probably never be uncovered

 

http://www.espn.co.u...ory/156363.html

Just so you know, in an earlier link posted here, which reputedly has his letter to Mosley (towards end of 2007), copied to Dennis. In that letter Stepney in as many words, suggests that McLaren employee did get the papers from him.

[Amizade]

I once had an unexpected meeting with Nigel Stepney whilst he was at Gigawave - he was charming and very professional. 

 

RIP. Thoughts and prayers to family & friends.

[jimjimjeroo]

3 Years have passed, RIP

[Tuxy]

Wait...I thought he died years ago, shortly after the scandal.

 

Anyone else think this to?

[Music Lover]

The amount of people banding around the word "suicide" in this thread is shocking. This is not the place for an ethical and moral discussion about suicide. Can people just stick to the established facts instead of jumping to conclusions based on some news paper reports and your own conformation bias.

 

Regardless, this is a tragedy for a man that achieved great things in F1, It is a tragedy for his wife and daughter. Very sad news.

 

RIP Nigel

Well said!

 

RIP