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Posted 20 May 2014 - 16:29
Go watch old Opels do something seemingly irrelevant while I go watch Doohan, Rossi and Roberts do something, ya know, relevant.
Is this a message from the past? Opel haven't been in DTM for years, and Doohan and Roberts retired from bikes years ago. 
Germany is the DTM's principal market and it is far more important than MotoGP there.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 16:47
I don't know, which viewer researches DTM has done, but it is entirely possible they are trying to avoid clashing with German Bundesliga matches more so than with Moto GP races. You may say that there is even less connection between cars and sportsgames than between cars and bikes. Yet, both sporting events could have an appeal to certain local sports enthusiasts.
Could DTM bring their start time earlier, about 2pm then? DTM also has feeder series each race weekend they need to schedule in. But would such change increase viewership? Food for thought.
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Posted 30 May 2014 - 17:23
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 10:06
Dtm race to be shown live on bt sport this weekend.
Perfect.
When I checked the other day it wasn't on. I now see it is and I wouldn't have checked again.
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 14:45
Merc just might have to write off 2014. Fastest in Practice is 15th from Wickens. The odd win in the wet at Oschersleben was great, but unless it rains more, I don't expect anyone at HWA from being a title contender.
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 17:45
why is the dtm racing in hungary? such a dreary track. big euros from budapest?
good to see the juniors from bmw and audi doing well.
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 18:16
why is the dtm racing in hungary? such a dreary track. big euros from budapest?
good to see the juniors from bmw and audi doing well.
Despite Germany's importance in motor racing, it is very poorly supplied with race tracks. Hence the need to pop over the border to Austria and to Hungary (part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire of course) and to other nearby countries like China (well, they do buy a lot of Mercs, Audis and BMWs)
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 18:26
why is the dtm racing in hungary? such a dreary track. big euros from budapest?
good to see the juniors from bmw and audi doing well.
Nobody really complained in the past about Zandvoort, or even further to Spa. I know the Hungaroring isn't known for great racing (only seen F1 race there), but like said, Germany isn't filled with many racing circuits, and a good choice. Most have had experience here in junior formula, an not a far travel past the German border for those who wish a vacation to a great city.
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 18:45
Merc just might have to write off 2014. Fastest in Practice is 15th from Wickens. The odd win in the wet at Oschersleben was great, but unless it rains more, I don't expect anyone at HWA from being a title contender.
I agree, it's difficcult to understand what's going on with Mercedes this season but their performance is dreadful. I guess all the investment has gone to F1. 
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 19:04
Nobody really complained in the past about Zandvoort, or even further to Spa. I know the Hungaroring isn't known for great racing (only seen F1 race there), but like said, Germany isn't filled with many racing circuits, and a good choice. Most have had experience here in junior formula, an not a far travel past the German border for those who wish a vacation to a great city.
i wasn't so much referring to them racing outside germany. i can see why they do, for the very reason you mentioned. more so, i watched them race at spa and zandvoort and was very happy to see them racing on those tracks. but the hungaroring? a good choice? sorry, can't agree. competitors are saying the race is already half run after qualifying, due to the lack of overtaking possibilities. let's hope they're wrong.
last weekend the wtcc had a meeting at the salzburgring, a great looking track (and even closer to germany). or a trip to imola would be nice, i think. and if they can go to china, why not a race at laguna seca?at least they do zeltweg.
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Posted 31 May 2014 - 22:40
last weekend the wtcc had a meeting at the salzburgring, a great looking track (and even closer to germany). or a trip to imola would be nice, i think. and if they can go to china, why not a race at laguna seca?at least they do zeltweg.
They already go to the Red Bull Ring (Salzburgring). Agreed it's a bad track, but it's the DTM. How much pull do they really have getting venues outside Germany? I think you have two circuits in Portugal that could open another date. Italy has plenty of great circuits barely used outside national events. Brno was pretty good IIRC. Think they needed 10 rounds and Budapest was quick to the punch. Should be trying to get Brands back as I don't believe the race in Moscow is going to be run.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 06:09
They already go to the Red Bull Ring (Salzburgring).
red bull ring (former zeltweg) and salzburgring are different race tracks, both quite fast but maybe a bit of the same. http://www.salzburgring.com/
brands hatch (the grand prix layout, not the silly indy part) would be great, i agree.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:47
Is this a message from the past? Opel haven't been in DTM for years, and Doohan and Roberts retired from bikes years ago.
Germany is the DTM's principal market and it is far more important than MotoGP there.
I tried to be cheeky. Internet cheeky. I wanted to imply DTM's irrelevance compared to MotoGP.
That being said: we, Hungaroring, now.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 13:27
I enjoyed the race very much. Who said that overtaking was not possible at the Hungaroring? I guess the problem is not the racetrack, it's F1. 
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 16:07
red bull ring (former zeltweg) and salzburgring are different race tracks, both quite fast but maybe a bit of the same. http://www.salzburgring.com/
brands hatch (the grand prix layout, not the silly indy part) would be great, i agree.
They ran round the Indy circuit at Brands Hatch because the DTM organisers wanted that.
Their reasoning was you can more or less see the whole track from wherever your seat is.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 17:43
Today I've watched my first DTM race in some years, and I have to admit that I enjoyed it.
Glock had contacts with everything out there.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 18:07
Glock thought he was in the BTCC the whole race.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 18:18
So who is this Wittmann-guy? Does he have a future beyond touring cars?
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 19:12
So who is this Wittmann-guy?
I ask myself the exact same thing each DTM race.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 19:20
So who is this Wittmann-guy? Does he have a future beyond touring cars?
He took 2nd place in the F3 Euroseries in 2010 & 2011 so I'd say yes.
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 19:25
That was a pretty enjoyable race. Lots of action from start to finish. That said I have to admit that I suffered a bit watching da Costa and Glock being sitting ducks to all those guys on the option tyres at the end.
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Posted 02 June 2014 - 03:07
He took 2nd place in the F3 Euroseries in 2010 & 2011 so I'd say yes.
Not sure though. He's tied to BMW. And while da Costa races a Bimmer as well, he has the Red Bull tie in that will hopefully get him a Toro Rosso seat by 2016. I see Wittmann in the same boat as Wickens. Should be in an F1 seat, but more than likely going to be stuck (though being "stuck" in DTM is a problem I'd love to have), with the likes of Paffett, Green, Spengler, Mortara, etc. who've found a good home.
So this race was better than the numbers say? Was debating whether to find this race or not online.
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 13:07
Edited by Sheepmachine, 28 June 2014 - 13:08.
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Posted 29 June 2014 - 11:29
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Posted 29 June 2014 - 17:39
I thought Green's Stop Go was harsh.
di Resta was ahead but I thought he cut in front of Green causing him to spin.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:25
What were the dudes on Wickens's pitwall thinking? He had such a good and entertaining race and then, boom, black flag. Such a shame. BMW now #1, #2, #3, #4.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:25
Bit of drama today. Wickens decided to ignore a drive through penalty after an unsafe release and got the black flag, which he also ignored for a couple of laps before finally retiring. Could be banned for a couple of races.
EDIT: Management mistake. The pitwall decided to keep him out.
Edited by Emilvang, 03 August 2014 - 12:27.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:28
what a bs penalty...ubelivable...formula 1 going the right way...dtm the wrong way..taking a well desreved victory from the driver...
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:30
Looked to me like the pit wall guys decided that. Did he even know he got a drive through? No matter what happened, ignoring a black flag should be punished. Harshly too, I might add.
we live in idiotic times...where did wickens ignore a black flag??
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:31
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:36
You have a train of cars going for the pitstops you will have a train of cars coming out.
Stupid penalty.
Sure, but he drove directly into one of the other cars, so the space wasn't there.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:52
Sure, but he drove directly into one of the other cars, so the space wasn't there.
don't think wickens touched glock. wehrlein smacked into the side of wittmann, surprisingly no penalty was given for an unsafe release though.
what bugs me more is the exhuberant celebration for a given win.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 21:13
The stewards were exactly right, in my opinion. Wolfgang Schattling's only possible line of defence is that the Wehrlein release was worse. I don't agree with that, but even if it's true, all it means is two of Schattling's cars should have been penalised instead of one. The difference between the Wickens and Wehrlein incidents was that Wehrlein was the one who took avoiding action and prevented an accident, meaning Wittmann was able to continue without losing any time, so I think that was why the stewards didn't penalise it. Maybe in light of the fact that there was contact, they should have, but there was no damage done and you could argue that the driver's avoiding action made safe what would otherwise have been an unsafe release, so it would have been harsh to penalise him. The Wickens incident, on the other hand, was a nailed-on penalty because he didn't take avoiding action, he squeezed Glock into the pitwall, and he left it up to Glock to lift off and lose time in order to prevent the accident that would otherwise have occurred. It was absolutely nailed on.
If I were a Mercedes shareholder I would be worried about Shattling. It's hard to work out how any manufacturer could have got into the position of having such a massive performance deficit as Mercedes have had at times this season, in what is basically a spec series. And the judgement calls on the pitwall today were calamitous. The sequence of events were 1. Incident occurs, 2. Aprx 1 lap later, timing screen shows Wickens under investigation for unsafe release, 3. Aprx 2 laps later, stewards give Wickens a drive-through for unsafe release, 4. When the drive-through wasn't served, Wickens black-flagged. Now, if you're going to argue, the time to do it is between 2 and 3. Because once the decision is given, it's non-appealable, so if you don't serve it within three laps, you're an idiot. It's usually better to serve it asap to cover off a possible safety car.
And with Mercedes' motorsport division so keen to portray a whiter-than-white image following last year's run-in with the FIA, is it really helpful to have the chap in charge of the DTM programme arguing with stewards about non-appealable decisions which have already been made and which are obviously correct in any event, then failing to serve the non-appealable penalty, then blanking the ARD pitlane reporter, then getting his car disqualified? When they radioed Wickens to tell him to respect the black flag, they told him the instruction came from Toto Wolff, who wasn't there. It comes to something if it takes a phone call from the boss of the guy who's supposed to be in charge, to tell him something that obvious - when the black flag is shown, you have to come in.
Feel sorry for Wickens, but Mercedes brought this one on themselves, and all in all they only just backed down in time, otherwise they'd have been in even more trouble.
Edited by redreni, 08 August 2014 - 20:55.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:30
That on the grid interview with Wolfgang Schattling makes him way too German.
'It won't rain. That is definite.' Stern dour face and all.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 14:55
green wasn't impressed by how farfus barged by a lap before their shoving match, was he?
maybe it's about time to ditch the use-the-two-compounds-tyre rule? doesn't really add to the show. just bolt on the fastest tyre and let them race.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 16:06
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Posted 14 September 2014 - 11:14
I am abroad right now and cannot watch the DTM on TV. Will it be shown live on their youtube channel? Or is that a thing of the past?
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Posted 14 September 2014 - 11:23
I am abroad right now and cannot watch the DTM on TV. Will it be shown live on their youtube channel? Or is that a thing of the past?
thing of the past, i'm afraid.
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Posted 14 September 2014 - 12:37
thing of the past, i'm afraid.
Typical. *sigh*
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 14:04
What a pointless season, been catching up on the races I missed. The tyre rules have just made things silly, far too much difference between the tyres and no strategy available to the teams - you can't even decide how long to run a tyre, that is dictated, as is the pit window. It almost feels like class racing at times with such a gap between competitors.
Hopefully they will ditch that rubbish for 2015, used to be one of my favourite series, even been to see them in Germany. 
Got to the Nurburgring race - any of the subsequent races actually worth watching?
Edited by TimRTC, 13 October 2014 - 14:06.
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Posted 13 October 2014 - 22:02
Got to the Nurburgring race - any of the subsequent races actually worth watching?
Short answer: no.
Nothing against what Whitmann and BMW achieved, but in all honesty this season has been ****.
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