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#1 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 15:50

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Oh yes my lovelies we're in for an exciting one this coming Saturday. Indianapolis Motor Speedway, hewn out of the soggy fields of Indiana some time in racing prehistory, is reviving a beloved old staple of 2000-2007. No, not the Gilmore Girls! It's the

 

Verizon Indycar Series Round Four: Grand Prix of Indy-anapolis

Track length: 2.4 miles

Corners: 14

Number of laps: It's sort of hard to tell because Indycar.com is so crap. I think it's 82 laps.

Strange passage of text from Indycar's web copy:

 

"Drivers will have at minimum four unique opportunities to pass, including the revised Turn 1, a 90-degree right hand corner, which drivers are already pronouncing as the best road course turn in the series."

 

Now my knowledge of literary style may begin and end with the grudging acceptance that your verb:adverb ratio should ideally be not 1:1, but this takes the freakin' cake. If we don't see each driver passing a minimum four times a lap I think we may see a class action suit in the offing.

 

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Practice is on right now you lazy numbskulls

Scott Goodyear is talking. He's about to tell us "a funny story". Enough of that. I hate him. Let's talk about the Why of this race. It goes back to more than one year ago, when new Indycar CEO Mark Miles noticed that Indycar racing was no longer the most popular sport in the USA. In fact it wasn't even the most popular motor sport. In fact, it wasn't even the most popular thing going on at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, even while the Indy 500 was taking place. He contacted the Boston Consulting Group, a consultancy firm so swanky they use serifs in their logo.

 

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BCG proceeded to take millions of dollars and in between diving into it a la Scrooge McDuck, they did a bit of internet research and probably sent a couple of emails marked High Priority to racing journalists six hours before deadline. Among their conclusions were

 

- Indycar is a four-wheeled brand of motor sport so named because its central event is held at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway

- No, Dale Junior doesn't take part there he's a NASCAR driver

- No one watches other sports when American Football is on

- A doodle of a cartoon dog with the words "possible Indycar mascot" underneath

 

The 16th and Georgetown Brains Trust got stuck into the 12,000 pages of report, and some time later emerged with a two-pronged assault on the Great Satan of Indy-indifference, or Indy-difference, if you will. They were:

 

 - Compress the racing calendar from March to August, not scheduling any of those events we don't have anyway in the NFL season

 - Add another race at Indianapolis in the manner of the Brickyard 400, the US GP and that MotoGP race that no one likes.

 

I don't know, there's something about itemized bullet points that makes me think I understand a topic. Anyway, the effects of Prong Number Two are in front of us right now. It turns out that pretty much every international race series has already had the chance to race at Indianapolis so it was really a choice between relocating the Dakar Rally there or just getting the Indycars to run there twice. Fortunately for those of us who love watching Indycars racing on old F1 tracks, they chose the latter option.

 

The Scott Goodyear Funny Story? He tried to drive around the track anticlockwise. The road course goes clockwise! Kill me.

 

Let's have a look at the schedule

Thursday, 8th May

Well it's a write-off really, anyway if you really cared you'd already be watching.

 

Friday, 9th May

Indycar qualifying's at 2pm Eastern, which is 7pm in the UK.
Indy Lights? Yeah they're on too. 5:30 Eastern. Don't worry, it's summer.

 

Saturday, 10th May is race day

11am: USF2000 race 2 (race 1 was on Friday)

12:10: Pro Mazda race 2, featuring pre-approved young driving talent Spencer Pigot

13:30: Indy Lights race 2

15:50: Indycar racing! Standing start! More than six cars! Go!

 

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Have that, Marquez!

 

Ask the experts, in association with Real Quotes from the Real IMS Radio Service

Scott Goodyear: "Turn One is now Turn Four, so that's a little confusing."

 

Paul Page: "a race course that looks particularly safe to me"

 

Pippa Mann: "lots of great new corners to try and learn"

 

I've learned a lot this afternoon!

 

Drivers. There are drivers.

Last race at Barber provided us with plenty of reasons why we shouldn't give up on looking at the points table just yet. Ryan Hunter-Reay used his magical go-fast-in-the-wet-but-also-in-the-dry setup to great effect and won the race by a mile. Will Power had one of those only-go-fast-in-the-wet setups and even then he drove right off the track once. Scott Dixon somehow climbed to fourth in the standings, which will be really worrying when Ganassi gets round to giving him a fast car at the traditional mid-season starting point. Aleshin demonstrated he's the Russian Luca Filippi, making lots of passes in the midfield before being spun around by Sebastien Bourdais. Who, by the way, would make an excellent villain if he'd get round to winning a couple of races. Then there was Marco Andretti who's on course to pick up a few fans by actually being good.

 

But not as good as Josef Newgarden, who is disturbingly close to being a threat to the top five on every road course in the way that you'd expect from a three-year veteran of a series where everyone gets the same equipment. I've cunningly mentioned the top six from afternoon practice today, except for Simon "Stealth" Pagenaud, a driver who's been rising without trace to such an extent that I'm still looking for the HP livery when I wonder how he's doing.

 

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Pagenaud doing his thing on the opposition.

 

In brief

Standing start. New Penske livery about to be unveiled. Jacques Villeneuve not racing yet. Montagny and Plowman return. 25 cars. Another National Guard scandal. Slick track surface. Cars sadly not using speedway aero. International race driver sensation Conor Daly. F1 back on this weekend. Such 90 degree turns. So golf course. Much race.


Edited by Risil, 08 May 2014 - 15:56.


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#2 Prost1997T

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 15:52

http://racecontrol.indycar.com/ Livestream here, also includes the Mazda Road to Indy junior series (for today at least).



#3 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 15:53

I can confirm that the IMS radio channel actually seems to be working and not buffering every 10 seconds.



#4 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 15:57

Oh, I actually did have a thread made up. I was just about to post it.  :cry:



#5 Prost1997T

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 15:58

Penske bring back the retro Pennzoil scheme.



#6 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 15:59

Oh, I actually did have a thread made up. I was just about to post it.  :cry:

 

Ouch! Sorry about that.

Please post it anyway, mine was a bit thin. Mods can merge, that's (in part) what they're here for.


Edited by Risil, 08 May 2014 - 15:59.


#7 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:03

I'll just copy it in here:

 

It's the month of May, and Indycars are back at the hallowed brickyard... going the wrong way.

 

For some reason the powers that be decided that, since everyone would be at Indy anyway, that we should have a race, a Grand Prix no less, round the road course for some extra laughs/chance for Will Power to win/chance for Will Power to have something unfortunate happen to him/doing things that will make Indianapolis die-hards angry/give Montoya bad memories and scare him off to NASCAR again (delete as approprate).

 

If history repeats itself, expect Oriol Servia aka Nick Heideld to be rolling at T2.

 

So the Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course?

Yeah you remember it from the United States Grand Prix, and only 6 cars started that one time. You might also remember it if you like those guys who race half-cars in something called MotoGP.

 

But either way you're remembering wrong, for despite having two perfectly good average layouts to choose from, Indycar will be using a new layout that misses out the loop behind the pits. At least the double hairpins from the F1 days are long gone.

 

It looks like this:

 

 

It just so happens that Bourdais has led opening practice. http://www.autosport...t.php/id/113832

 

What do I need to know?

Entry list:

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Oh wait I've done this joke before, but note how the Ganassi teammates from back then are now both team owners. The circle of life continues.

Real Entry List

Spotter Guide

Circuit Map

Pit Assignments (because some of you really need to know this stuff)

 

Who should I be rooting for?

Whoever you want. Recent studies [citation needed] have shown that Indycar drivers are all likeable enough that you can be happy about anyone who wins, except Will Power.

 

Power will be doing well, along with the usual suspects at the Penske, Andretti and Ganassi teams. Look out for road course specialist Mike Conway as usual, and Sato will be there too. Maybe Bourdais will finally put his promising pace to good use and show us why he's a 4 time champion.

 

Who are you and what have you done with Risil?

Risil is in biological containment to prevent infecting the rest of the forum. He is not permitted to start threads.

 

No, it was a lie to distract me while he made his own thread.

 

And what about award winning thread starter Andrew Hope?

He's busy defending women drivers' honour in the Simona de Silvestro thread. He'll be along in time for the race. If you're not happy, start your own Indycar thread for another race instead of leaving it until after FP1.

 

When is it on?

UK viewers will want to switch to ESPN at 20:30 on Saturday.

US viewers can check out your so called "ABC" at 15:30.

Others will want to contact JP and his Nigerian friends.

 

Where's Jacques Villeneuve and Kurt Busch?

They're in the actual Indianapolis 500 at the end of the month. But Super Aguri F1 star Franck Montagny is driving Kurt's car, presumably by virtue of spelling his name with a c and a k.


Edited by PayasYouRace, 08 May 2014 - 16:39.


#8 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:07

Thanks, PaYR. :up:

 

Those nicknames on Papyrus racing sims really bothered me. If it's your first name it's not a nickname, it's your goddamn first name. Said the 8-year-old Risil.

 

And I am in biological containment, I promise. :)



#9 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:09



 

Scott Goodyear: "Turn One is now Turn Four, so that's a little confusing."

 

 

Yes so confusing he got it wrong. Turn 4 is now Turn 1.

 



Thanks, PaYR.  :up:

 

Those nicknames on Papyrus racing sims really bothered me. If it's your first name it's not a nickname, it's your goddamn first name. Said the 8-year-old Risil.

 

And I am in biological containment, I promise.  :)

 

 

I think they included it just so they could include "Emmo" for Fittipaldi.

 

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Edited by PayasYouRace, 08 May 2014 - 16:11.


#10 Prost1997T

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:13

Some other broadcasters (not an exhaustive list) -

 

Central and South America: ESPN/ESPN3
Italy: Sky Sports 2
UAE: OSN Sports 2
Canada: Sportsnet
New Zealand: Sky Sport
Australia: Speed
Denmark: Canal 8 Sport
Germany, Austria and Switzerland: Sport1 US
Romania: Digi Sport



#11 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:16

US viewers can check out your so called "ABC" at 15:30.

 

The Inane Clown Posse themselves.



#12 discover23

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:18

Is the circuit identical to the F1 days?

Those lap times are almost the same as the qualifying times from F1 back in 2006. Interesting..

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:19

For anyone still watching the stream\live timing, that is indeed the same Derani that finished 3rd at Macau last year now racing in Pro Mazda.

 

 

 

Is the circuit identical to the F1 days?

Those lap times are almost the same as the qualifying times from F1 back in 2006. Interesting..

 

No. Hard to make any comparisons as three sections of the track are different.


Edited by Prost1997T, 08 May 2014 - 16:19.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:19

 

The Scott Goodyear Funny Story? He tried to drive around the track anticlockwise. The road course goes clockwise! Kill me.

 

 

 

Except for MotoGP. :)

 

It must be the only such case nowadays, that same track is used in both directions.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:22

awesome

a double helping of OP

yummy!



#16 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:23

Except for MotoGP. :)

 

It must be the only such case nowadays, that same track is used in both directions.

 

Knockhill in Scotland can be run in both directions. The British Superbike Championship, which usually runs in a clockwise direction, may try out the anticlockwise layout at some point.

 

Heikki Kovalainen ran the Eau Rouge section of Spa backwards once at a test session during his Renault days. He said it was interesting.


Edited by Risil, 08 May 2014 - 16:25.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:27

I wish I can watch this race on tv. But my local ABC station showing a boat race. :cry:



#18 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:46

 

 

"I couldn't be happier to welcome Butterball to the Andretti Autosport family as we participate in the great American tradition of racing in Indianapolis during the Month of May," said Michael Andretti, Andretti Autosport president, chairman and CEO. "We're proud to partner with such a storied and beloved brand during this special time of year and hope to be celebrating a victory feast this Memorial Day with Butterball on our table." 

 

If you do a Google Images search for Indy 500 Turkey Leg, you get *a lot* of pictures of Mike Conway's big crash several years ago.



#19 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:49

Is Butterball their nickname for Kurt?



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#20 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:54

Also

 

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#21 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:56

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#22 Prost1997T

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 16:57

Jack Harvey @jack_harvey42 May 4

Solid end to the day, p2 :) no doubt in mind, driving on an oval is the best feeling I've ever had in a racing car!! #cantwaittorace

 

Luiz Razia @luizrazia May 4

@jack_harvey42 was running very close to me and I was also close to him at the end of session, was great fun out there and scary too haha!

 

I guess tailgating at 200mph would be fun :p



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 17:16

Sato returns to the place of his podium. All of America and parts of Japan will be supporting him.

Edited by SR388, 08 May 2014 - 17:50.


#24 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 17:32

Sato's never had pole at Indy, or even in F1.



#25 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 17:46

I'm still not used to Kanaan in the Ganassi car. Chip is continuing the tradition of changing the livery on the No.10 and when I looked at Tony's car on the spotter guide I assumed he was still in his old team.  :lol:

 

Why is it always the No.10 that gets changed?



#26 SR388

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 17:50

Sato's never had pole at Indy, or even in F1.


Who said anything about pole?

#27 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 17:59

Nostalgia?

 

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I know it's a traditional Penske livery, but I always associate it with Gil de Ferran.

 

Edit: Just realised that that's for the 500. He's got a red and white care for the Grand Prix.


Edited by PayasYouRace, 08 May 2014 - 18:06.


#28 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 18:07

I know it's a traditional Penske livery, but I always associate it with Gil de Ferran.

 

Me too. And Teo Fabi. And Chaparrals. But not

 

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despite the sponsor connection. I love how out of proportion the Pennzoil logo is to the sidepod though.


Edited by Risil, 08 May 2014 - 18:08.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 18:42

It's almost like they were ashamed to be on the car. Or maybe they underestimated how chunky the sidepods would be?



#30 Sheepmachine

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 18:57

Great op from both of you. :)

Looking forward to the race although with the race being on Saturday it does clash with the Eurovision political song contest. :p

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 19:01

Wait, what? The race is on Saturday? GAH! I'm already committed to a Eurovision party. Damn you, IndyCar!  ;)

 

Edit: I'll have to multitask. It's ok.


Edited by Muppetmad, 08 May 2014 - 19:02.


#32 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 19:07

Wait, what? The race is on Saturday? GAH! I'm already committed to a Eurovision party. Damn you, IndyCar!  ;)

 

Edit: I'll have to multitask. It's ok.

 

You'll just have to grin and Bernini it. That was a Counter-Reformation joke.



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 19:09

Nostalgia?

 

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I know it's a traditional Penske livery, but I always associate it with Gil de Ferran.

 

Edit: Just realised that that's for the 500. He's got a red and white care for the Grand Prix.

I prefers the scheme on the Chaparral 2K of Johnny rutherford

 

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#34 Risil

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 19:10

It's almost like they were ashamed to be on the car. Or maybe they underestimated how chunky the sidepods would be?

 

I have a pet theory that Lola were trying to get Pennzoil to stump up more cash. "Oh, sure, you get a logo on the sidepod with Package #1, but just look what you can get with Package #2!"



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 19:24

Conway slowest in both sessions? What's all this?

Dixon quickest in afternoon practice. Pag second, Power third. Aleshin and Rahal looking good in fourth and sixth, with the former having spent a long time on top. Tristan who?

 

It's a short track but all 25 are separated by 1.1s. Expect qualifying to be pretty random.


Edited by Risil, 08 May 2014 - 19:25.


#36 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 19:29

Conway slowest in both sessions? What's all this?

Dixon quickest in afternoon practice. Pag second, Power third. Aleshin and Rahal looking good in fourth and sixth, with the former having spent a long time on top. Tristan who?

 

It's a short track but all 25 are separated by 1.1s. Expect qualifying to be pretty random.

 

Well Mike isn't all that comfortable on ovals   ;)



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Posted 08 May 2014 - 19:34

You'll just have to grin and Bernini it. That was a Counter-Reformation joke.

Thank you, it made me chuckle. You can tell I'm losing my mind here :lol:



#38 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 21:07

Great op from both of you. :)

Looking forward to the race although with the race being on Saturday it does clash with the Eurovision political song contest. :p

Makes a change to have something decent to watch on a Saturday night, which is usually a Pointless Celebrity Dancing Voice Bake-off Guess List Lottery followed by the ghoulish bloodfest masquerading as a soap opera that is Casualty and unfunny comedy from either Miranda Hart or Mrs Brown.

 

And I don't mean Eurovision. :p



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 01:26

...

Jeez, ya wait all week then 2 roll up at the same time.

Are they both bound for Hammersmith?

 

AKA (#allkiddingaside)

Thrilling and engrossing OP's there kids.. :up:

 

Now,

Wait, what? The race is on Saturday? GAH! I'm already committed to a Eurovision party. Damn you, IndyCar!  ;)

 

Edit: I'll have to multitask. It's ok.

 

You sad sad person you...€uroVision?...really?

 

 

 

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Is that Jacques Villeneuve?

Is he feeding his child a Turkey Leg?

This seems like some kind of premonition or whatnot.

 

 

Sato returns to the place of his podium. All of America and parts of Japan will be supporting him.

Uh, no they will not. And neither will anyone who has any friends in racing cars.

Jp


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:56


random highlights for ya...





Jp

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 06:30

Y NOT SATOOOO jp?



#42 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 11:20

New layout looks much nicer to drive :up:



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 14:10

Y NOT SATOOOO jp?

It's well documented...He's a danger to all around him.

 

Meanwhile...WET practice session underway now.

 

Jp



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 14:30

Pagenaud looking racy as usual.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 14:37

It's well documented...He's a danger to all around him.

 

Meanwhile...WET practice session underway now.

 

Jp

Except his fans!



#46 Muppetmad

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 14:47

You sad sad person you...€uroVision?...really?

It's the one time of year where an entire continent comes together to collectively mock itself. Oh, and it's an excuse to drink far too much - we latch onto such excuses as much as we can here! So yes, I stand by my love for Eurovision; it's so bad it's awesome. Indy will have to take a back seat for just one night of the year, although I will inevitably watch it on my laptop alongside Eurovision.

 

But then, I can predict what will happen already: Power will do something stupid; Newgarden will do well but then lose out in some unfortunate incident; Bourdais will mess up; Pagenaud will do a stealth drive into the top 5. Done  ;)



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 15:02

Newgarden will do well but then lose out in some unfortunate incident

 

Newgarden finished an uneventful 8th at the last race, by the way  ;)


Edited by Prost1997T, 09 May 2014 - 15:03.


#48 Muppetmad

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 15:07

Newgarden finished an uneventful 8th at the last race, by the way  ;)

An exception to the rule  ;)



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 15:15

Probably going to miss this one due to my services as my family's designated Lifter of Heavy Things are required this weekend to lift Heavy Things that apparently are completely immobile Monday through Friday.

 

Sometimes I feel like I'd rather have been beaten by my family as a child than asked to landscape for them as an adult on race days. I really like IndyCar.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 16:33

Nascar AND Indy, Saturday?

 

much sigh. such disappoint. wow. very heartbreak.