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OFFICIAL THREAD of the Indycar Grand Prix of Indianapolis (that means not the oval)


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#51 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 17:21

So I have these Google calendars overlaid on mine, for F1 and Indycar.  Really convenient with F1 cos it tells me exactly when all the FPs and sessions are.

 

The Indycar one only appears at the top of the day indicating that an event is that day.  Do you guys know of any calendars for Indycar and NASCAR that show the exact times the races start and can be overlaid on a personal Google Calendar?  It can be really useful.



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#52 Risil

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 17:40

Indycar's live video stream is pretty good here. It's using CCTV-esque fixed camera positions, so you can actually see a bit of sliding and movement around the apex of the turn. Unlike with "traditional" camerawork, which provides an illusion of motionlessness.



#53 jonpollak

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 17:58

We qualy-time now

Jp



#54 prommer

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 18:03

Major props to the video stream!  And the rain falls for qualies!  Exclamation points!



#55 Prost1997T

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 18:31

Aleshin penalised for blocking, Rahal promoted to Q2.



#56 jonpollak

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 18:48

How 'bout that Jack "The Lad" Hawksworth :up:

 

Jp



#57 paulb

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 18:53

poo, my puter does not like LT.



#58 jonpollak

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 18:55

it's cuz you like Sato.

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#59 Diablobb81

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:18

Ouch RHR. Thanks for posting link.



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#60 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:19

Wtf. If he had stayed on the brakes he would have just slid down the straight.

 

Now he'll tumble down the order from losing his fastest lap(s) for causing a red.


Edited by Ross Stonefeld, 09 May 2014 - 19:20.


#61 jonpollak

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:21

So then..If RHR causes the red flag he loses his time and that makes Saaverdra and Jack the Lad our front row???

 

Much WOW.

Jp



#62 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:22

Well 3rd isn't too bad for what was a total ****-up.



#63 Prost1997T

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:22

RHR will start third. That was an interesting Fast 6 to say the least...


Edited by Prost1997T, 09 May 2014 - 19:23.


#64 Risil

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:25

Saavedra on pole! I love Indycar. Major excited for tomorrow now.



#65 Prost1997T

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:26

If Barber was any indication, I don't think he'll stay up front too long.



#66 JHSingo

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 19:41

Interesting front row.

 

So the Spanish Grand Prix might not be worth watching this weekend, but the IndyCar race definitely will.



#67 PayasYouRace

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 20:06

Well that was unexpected :eek:  

 

Pos Driver Team/Engine Time Gap
1. Sebastian Saavedra KV/Chevy 1m23.8822s
2. Jack Hawksworth Herta/Honda 1m24.0788s +0.1966s

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3. Ryan Hunter-Reay Andretti/Honda 1m24.8882s +1.0060s
4. Simon Pagenaud Schmidt/Honda 1m25.2881s +1.4059s

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5. Will Power Penske/Chevy 1m25.5216s +1.6394s
6. Scott Dixon Ganassi/Chevy 1m25.6548s +1.7726s

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7. Sebastien Bourdais KV/Chevy 1m24.5187s Round 2
8. Juan Pablo Montoya Penske/Chevy 1m24.6209s Round 2

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9. Tony Kanaan Ganassi/Chevy 1m24.7099s Round 2
10. Helio Castroneves Penske/Chevy 1m24.8839s Round 2

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11. James Hinchcliffe Andretti/Honda 1m25.1318s Round 2
12. Graham Rahal Rahal/Honda 1m25.4748s Round 2

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13. Marco Andretti Andretti/Honda 1m10.2488s Group 1
14. Mikhail Aleshin Schmidt/Honda 1m10.0226s Group 2

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15. Josef Newgarden Fisher/Honda 1m10.3601s Group 1
16. Ryan Briscoe Ganassi/Chevy 1m10.2261s Group 2

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17. Carlos Huertas Coyne/Honda 1m10.4264s Group 1
18. Takuma Sato Foyt/Honda 1m10.2804s Group 2

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19. Carlos Munoz Andretti/Honda 1m10.5097s Group 1
20. Justin Wilson Coyne/Honda 1m10.4141s Group 2

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21. Franck Montagny Andretti/Honda 1m10.5571s Group 1
22. Martin Plowman Foyt/Honda 1m10.4591s Group 2

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23. Charlie Kimball Ganassi/Chevy 1m10.6413s Group 1
24. Oriol Servia Rahal/Honda 1m10.5996s Group 2

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25. Mike Conway Carpenter/Chevy 1m10.6535s Group 2


Edited by PayasYouRace, 09 May 2014 - 20:06.


#68 Prost1997T

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 20:20

Aleshin lost his two fastest times as a blocking penalty, so he's actually starting at the back.



#69 billm99uk

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 20:22

Saavedra/Hawksworth front row? Wonder what odds you could have got on that? Slightly better than Hamilton/Rosberg tomorrow I think....



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 20:24

http://www.indycar.c...al-Results-GPoI

 

 

Saavedra/Hawksworth front row? Wonder what odds you could have got on that? Slightly better than Hamilton/Rosberg tomorrow I think....

 

The changing weather mixed things up a little. Hunter-Reay was on provisional pole until he crashed out of turn 14, bringing out the red flag near the end.


Edited by Prost1997T, 09 May 2014 - 20:26.


#71 Risil

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 21:13

Mrs Risil had Hunter-Reay down for pole. I said Hawksworth. I'd say that's a moral victory for her ... and no victory for me.



#72 paulb

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 21:31

Mrs Risil had Hunter-Reay down for pole. I said Hawksworth. I'd say that's a moral victory for her ... and no victory for me.

Did Mrs Risil lose her fast lap too?

 

it's cuz you like Sato.

Jp

Damn straight I do!  The hysteria demonstrated by his native fans at Long Beach has somewhat lubbed off on me.



#73 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 21:46

Talk about an avoidable incident. 

 



#74 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:07

Talk about an avoidable incident. 

 

I'd have to say that apparent puddle at the exit had some input....

 

BTW, JPM in the top 10 is pretty much on schedule I'd say.

Top 10 in NASCAR was a miracle seems like...


Edited by whitewaterMkII, 10 May 2014 - 03:11.


#75 Peat

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:59

I think he's more on about the fact that had he just locked everything up after spinning, he would have come to a halt. RHR let it roll and it backed itself into the wall pretty hard.



#76 Muppetmad

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:02

I would not have predicted that top 2, certainly! In typical form, I tip Pagenaud for the win. He's been on fire in both wet and dry conditions so far this weekend. The only thing likely to stop him is Will Power, who unfortunately starts right behind him.



#77 stewie

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:13

Will Power and Pagenaud pretty much next to each other on the grid.... (Mr Burns voice) Excellent...

#78 Peat

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:16

Really looking forward to this one.

Saturday night races are always good. Booze and pizza will be consumed in vast quantities.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:25

Talk about an avoidable incident. 

 

 

...right.

 

Indy's GP track continues to be the class clown of all racing tracks.



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#80 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:34

I'd have to say that apparent puddle at the exit had some input....

 

 

That bit was fine. It's where he comes off the brakes and the car rolls back into the wall that's a head scratcher. If he'd stayed on the brakes it would have kept sliding down the straight. Maybe he was worried about stalling and causing a red that way so tried to reverse-180 it, but...



#81 Risil

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:37

On the positive side it's probably the lowest speed at which any Indycar has ever hit the wall at IMS.



#82 Sheepmachine

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:39

What a mixed up grid! :eek: Can't wait for the race. :D What's the weather forecast for the race?

#83 Risil

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:00

What a mixed up grid! :eek: Can't wait for the race. :D What's the weather forecast for the race?

 

Warm but cloudy. No chance of rain.

 

Btw I want to say that I like how they've simplified the road course. Faster and straighter than the previous model. Shame they lost the oval turn but I suppose it's good from a not-a-bastardized-Indy-500 point of view.

 

And here's something Robin Miller wrote for Racer dot com in the build-up to the race. About the first Indycar road race held in what was then Indianapolis Raceway Park, now the Lucas Oil Raceway, in 1965. It featured 5 dirt cars, 9 roadsters and 10 rear-engined Indycars complete with Indianapolis two-speed gearboxes. Grand Prix Legends it weren't.



#84 Magoo

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 13:39

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#85 Risil

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 13:42

I like the mud 'n trees little-house-on-the-prairiescape in the infield.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 13:49

That bit was fine. It's where he comes off the brakes and the car rolls back into the wall that's a head scratcher. If he'd stayed on the brakes it would have kept sliding down the straight. Maybe he was worried about stalling and causing a red that way so tried to reverse-180 it, but...

gotcha, I thought you meant from A-Z it was on him....



#87 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 14:00

I like the mud 'n trees little-house-on-the-prairiescape in the infield.

Four wide in T4 is impressive too. IIRC that postcard was published before the track even opened in 1909. I've never been clear on whether the idea of a road course was ever seriously considered - although it actually bears a fairly strong resemblance to the Campbell Circuit at Brooklands!



#88 E.B.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 14:09

Not only was the road course seriously considered, work actually commenced on it, but the work was dropped when the contractors had their hands full just sorting out the problems building the oval part.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 16:05

I don't know this, but the events strongly suggest that the plans for the Speedway evolved considerably between groundbreaking in March 1909 and the first 500 mile race in May 1911. The original concept was of an all-purpose facility, primarily as a proving ground for auto manufacturers. (Every city in the Midwest at the time was trying to attract automakers, the incredible growth industry of the period.) Hence the two-mile road course designed mainly for testing of production vehicles...and balloons and an aerodrome were also part of the scheme.  

 

However, when the original gravel surface on the oval proved to be such a disaster, forcing a hasty and expensive plan B -- paving the entire 2.5 mile circuit with bricks -- that seems to have soaked up much of the first tranche of investment capital and shifted the strategy somewhat. From the multipurpose, everything-for-everybody business plan, the track became a one-event-per-year facility, focused on the 500-Mile Sweepstakes. This, I would presume, is what killed the original infield road course proposal, along with some other plans. 

 

The automakers, including a number of them based in Indianapolis, never did show much interest in the Speedway as a test facility. The mfg'ers preferred to test on actual roads, and dedicated proving grounds would not come into vogue until the mid-20s.

 

 

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:08

That RHR crash video is scary!

 

Never a good sign when there are more DRIVERS present at qualifying than SPECTATORS.  At Indy, too.  :cry:



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:10

That RHR crash video is scary!

 

Never a good sign when there are more DRIVERS present at qualifying than SPECTATORS.  At Indy, too.  :cry:

 

It rained very heavily yesterday, I'm pretty sure the viewing mounds had more people on them prior to that.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:11

General consensus is that 30,000 paying spectators would be a roaring success for the GP. That sort of crowd would make a facility like IMS look like a ghost town.

 

Marshall Pruett's been reporting on Twitter that they sold an extra thousand tickets online between 1-5am last night. That's good.


Edited by Risil, 10 May 2014 - 17:11.


#93 maximilian

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:14

I'm just looking down the rows of empty seats, which caught my eye much more than the crash... these are all UNDER the roof, so dry, right?  Still there are less than 20 people visible anywhere... :(



#94 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:20

It was also Friday. 



#95 Prost1997T

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:20

General consensus is that 30,000 paying spectators would be a roaring success for the GP. That sort of crowd would make a facility like IMS look like a ghost town.

 

Marshall Pruett's been reporting on Twitter that they sold an extra thousand tickets online between 1-5am last night. That's good.

 

Well yes, given that there are around 250,000 seats, and the 500 itself will remain the big draw.



#96 Risil

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:21

It was also Friday. 

 

Is that a work day in Indiana?



#97 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 17:32

Btw who's doing the 500 thread? The oval schedule starts tomorrow.



#98 Risil

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 18:00

Ross, I think this is Your Moment.

 

Besides, Milwaukee's not till August.


Edited by Risil, 10 May 2014 - 18:00.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 18:42

Race start in 50'ish minutes?



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#100 Risil

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 18:50

Green flag's an hour from now I think.

 

Standing start, which in a way is a shame because the start/finish straight is the perfect size for a good double-file flying start.


Edited by Risil, 10 May 2014 - 18:51.