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[ballow]

Pundits on Sky sports speculating that he would take the 'Name your price' offer from Ferrari. Newey being coy and refusing to answer questions from reporter.

 

I think he is going to take the offer. His kids have now left home. I am sure his wife would have been shown the finest Villa's money can buy and promised the most fantastic lifestyle in italy.

 

I think this would be the biggest news this summer. 

 

He would like one final challenge and no better challenge than take Ferrari to its first WDC/WCC in almost a decade.

 

 

I think something big is going to happen. Ferrari. Vettel might be joining him too in Ferrari 2016 

[Frankbullitt]

He is who Ferrari need if they want to win consistently again.

[Borko]

I already said this in Ferrari thread, but the timing is wrong. He is already unable to fight Mercedes because he doesn't have the engine that would have allowed him to do so at Red Bull, and he won't have that engine in Ferrari neither.

[Raziel]

Pundits on Sky...

 

[superden]

Nope.

[2014wdc]

For me personally is a done deal, 30 ml per year.

 

I don't know if it's for 2015 or 2016, that is the real question...

[BillBald]

For me personally is a done deal, 30 ml per year.

 

I don't know if it's for 2015 or 2016, that is the real question...

 

Why would he settle for peanuts?

[Mandzipop]

If Ferrari were to offer him a UK base with total freedom like he has now, then I think that is the only chance Ferrari have of tempting him.

[ballow]

Why would he settle for peanuts?

 

 

Well he get 6m a year with red bull I think he would settle for 12m. But Ferrari have the money - when you think they paid Kimi 50m not to race. That's more money than RB have paid Newey in all this year at red bull! 

[JHSingo]

At the moment, I'd say even Adrian Newey isn't going to be the magic bullet. Big claim, but on the basis that right now, and quite possibly for the foreseeable future, the pecking order is very much determined by engine (sorry, 'power unit') performance, and not aerodynamics, I can't see how even signing Newey would solve all the problems they face right now.

[Clatter]

At the moment, I'd say even Adrian Newey isn't going to be the magic bullet. Big claim, but on the basis that right now, and quite possibly for the foreseeable future, the pecking order is very much determined by engine (sorry, 'power unit') performance, and not aerodynamics, I can't see how even signing Newey would solve all the problems they face right now.

 Rubbish. The RB is still the next best car and has what is supposed to be the inferior PU. The Merc PU is good, but in a poor car it's nowhere.

[study]

Ferrari taking Newey would be Music to Mercs ears.

 

They damage Redbull a great deal, he'll have a great gardening leave and also need time to settle in with Ferrari. It'll give Merc 2 or 3 years straight running at the WC without having to worry about Redbull or Ferrari

[EndlessMotion]

Not impossible but I'd be surprised to see it happen personally. Firstly he'd have to pretty much relocate to Italy and he seems pretty settled here in England with his family. Secondly and probably most importantly, I don't see Ferrari providing him with the kind of working freedom that Red Bull have done. Not that Ferrari wouldn't want to do everything possible to make him happy in order to bring success back to the team but it's no secret how comfortable Newey is within the Red Bull setup compared to previous teams he's worked in.

 

You never know though. Could be seen as a new challenge for him after cleaning up with Seb the past four years. There's not really anything left for him to do with Red Bull now (except catch Merc) and if Vettel makes the move to Ferrari after Fred calls it a day in the next few years we could see Ferrari back picking up championships again with a relentless German at the wheel.

 

I still don't see it though myself!

[ballow]

Ferrari taking Newey would be Music to Mercs ears.

 

They damage Redbull a great deal, he'll have a great gardening leave and also need time to settle in with Ferrari. It'll give Merc 2 or 3 years straight running at the WC without having to worry about Redbull or Ferrari

 

That/s why if Newey is going to take the offer he needs to make a decision ASAP. 

[2014wdc]

If Ferrari were to offer him a UK base with total freedom like he has now, then I think that is the only chance Ferrari have of tempting him.

 

Men that's in 1997...17 years ago...times change, people change

[Mart280]

Newey has done it at Williams and at McLaren so to go and do it at the 3rd traditional F1 team could be a lure too strong to resist at this time of his career, how old is he now 55 -56 something like that, I would say it's now or never and my bet is on now.

[MirNyet]

He will be out of contract, no need for gardening leave. He will be free to join the day his contract expires.

 

Personally, I think he will want the challenge. Red Bull is a job well done - but a job done all the same, he has nothing to gain by staying there another 3-4 years. He has already made them champions 4 times over - another x number of champions isn't going to make much more difference. Moving Ferrari back to the front will look better as far as the history books are concerned - also, he gets to spend a few years in the sun before he goes off to play with his yachts.

[Ferrari2183]

I think there is a strong possibility of Newey accepting this time.

It's not a magic bullet but it's a step in the right direction. It's clear that Ferrari have to clean house and bringing Newey in is a great start.

Not to mention that this is the only type of signing that might see Alonso stay. They're quite clearly desperate to hold on to him as well.

[MirNyet]

Another thing to push him towards Ferrari is that they may let him design a road car (as McLaren did with Gordon Murray) or Le Mans car.

[kedia990]

I'll see your (Newey to Ferrari in 2015) and raise you (Newey & Vettel to Ferrari in 2015) 

[PaulTodd]

I think there is a strong possibility of Newey accepting this time.

It's not a magic bullet but it's a step in the right direction. It's clear that Ferrari have to clean house and bringing Newey in is a great start.

Not to mention that this is the only type of signing that might see Alonso stay. They're quite clearly desperate to hold on to him as well.

This is how I see it. If Alonso does not win a championship with Ferrari before he retires it will be for me a total travesty. Having Newey in the the team would be a dream. 

Edited by PaulTodd, 11 May 2014 - 20:26.

[Rickyf1]

I don't think he could turn it around fast enough.

Would redbull then quit F1 if he left??

[apoka]

If Newey & Vettel go to Ferrari and win the WDC there, web forums are going to explode.

 

In other words, I'm all for it. 

[clown]

Dietrich Mateschitz has spent over a billion dollars on RBR, yet people think he's going to let the key to his teams success be headhunted away because he's not willing to pay him an extra 10-20 million a year?
 

Edited by clown, 11 May 2014 - 20:38.

[scheivlak]

I think there is a strong possibility of Newey accepting this time.

It's not a magic bullet but it's a step in the right direction. It's clear that Ferrari have to clean house and bringing Newey in is a great start.

Not to mention that this is the only type of signing that might see Alonso stay. They're quite clearly desperate to hold on to him as well.

Everything you mention don't make it a strong possibility. It's just wishful thinking from a Ferrari point of view.....

 

I can't see Adrian having as much satisfaction in a Ferrari environment. And any amount of money won't lure him at all. Reading the interviews from the last few years I think he just wants to feel free to do things his own way in an environment he can choose.

[garagetinkerer]

I just jizzed my pants thinking what Byrne and Newey could do together

[garagetinkerer]

Dietrich Mateschitz has spent over a billion dollars on RBR, yet people think he's going to let the key to his teams success be headhunted away because he's not willing to pay him an extra 10-20 million a year?
 

McLaren made a faster car than Newey in 2012 and wasted the opportunity. Mercedes now have made a better car than Newey. Byrne was designing cars at Ferrari when Ferrari rubbished all in front of them. McLaren in 2012 couldn't get their act as a team together. You knew something was wonky... come to think of it, it seems things aren't exactly how they should be between Hamilton and garage (going by today's race and radio messages), but i think if there's one thing Hamilton learned from Alonso in 2007 and his own examples in 2012 is to potentially keep his trap more shut than before.

 

F1 in modern times has been more of team sport than it ever was, as margins everywhere have shrunk. Ferrari won many races as McLaren couldn't sort their act in the pit-lane. Infact they tuned pit-stops into a fine art. It was so brutally effective, that it is bye-bye refuelling . Did i mention that McLaren and at times others turned up with cars which were potentially faster than Ferrari overall and yet they went home with no silverware?

 

It is funny how people think hiring an aerodynamicist will solve all ills, especially if his last name is Newey. No one looks back and wonder why Newey won absolutely nothing since 2000-2010. You need more than just one man to get it right nowadays.

 

 

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As someone already said... power unit is a big difference maker. RBR are suffering for it, and so are Ferrari. Having Newey and Byrne (jizzed pants dreaming of concepts and engineering solutions... yes i'm a nerd) will definitely add value, but that is not everything.

[Maustinsj]

I think he is going to take the offer. His kids have now left home. I am sure his wife would have been shown the finest Villa's money can buy and promised the most fantastic lifestyle in italy.

 

What has Villa's money got to do with it?

[ballow]

What has Villa's money got to do with it?

 

You obviously don't know much about women. 

[OvDrone]

I would love to see this happen. Just to see Horner's grin slowly vanish into non-existence.

[2014wdc]

If Newey & Vettel go to Ferrari and win the WDC there, web forums are going to explode.

 

In other words, I'm all for it. 

If Vettel wants to come to Ferrari is welcome...but he will have Alonso as a teammate.

 

It's up to Seb to decide...

[Cyanide]

That interview with Newey on Sky was very telling. 

 

Last time I saw Adrian so hesitant on answering was when Brundle asked him that RBR signed Ricciardo and he gave the same hesitant and off-topic answer. We all know the deal was done and dusted by then. 

 

Strong possibility that this will happen as well. 

[Vesuvius]

If Vettel wants to come to Ferrari is welcome...but he will have Alonso as a teammate.

It's up to Seb to decide...

Isnt Alonso leaving...I mean there is no room for Vettel at Ferrari, unless Alonso leaves...Kimi isnt going anywhere until 2015 is over. Newey-Ferrari...i guess it's possible, Newey wants challenges but he is happy at RBR and lots of things will have to change if Ferrari deal would happend, Ferrari also just got Allison so not very good signal towards him.

[Disgrace]

Has any insider or freelance journalist given credence to these rumours? I see no comment from F1engima, Joe Saward or James Allen for instance. This particular rumour does not appear to exist distinct of Sky itself.

Edited by Disgrace, 11 May 2014 - 21:28.

[andrewf1]

You obviously don't know much about women. 

 

Read his signature and you'll understand his post.

[ArkZ]

I think there is a strong possibility of Newey accepting this time.

It's not a magic bullet but it's a step in the right direction. It's clear that Ferrari have to clean house and bringing Newey in is a great start.

Not to mention that this is the only type of signing that might see Alonso stay. They're quite clearly desperate to hold on to him as well.

Maybe Alonso wants it but he is not stupid enough to know that it will take years for Newey to sort the team out, and Alonso will be long gone form F1. If those rumours are true then it's show that Ferrari management is in a HUGE panice mode, as you know there were a lot of updates to wind tunnel, simulator etc, new top hires last year so it takes time to see fruits of theirs work, so what's with Allison be barely started to touch Fry's car and he's already demoted or fired??

[2014wdc]

Isnt Alonso leaving...I mean there is no room for Vettel at Ferrari, unless Alonso leaves...Kimi isnt going anywhere until 2015 is over. Newey-Ferrari...i guess it's possible, Newey wants challenges but he is happy at RBR and lots of things will have to change if Ferrari deal would happend, Ferrari also just got Allison so not very good signal towards him.

 

Absolutely not.

 

If Newey is coming to Ferrari, would you think that Alonso is so dumb to leave Ferrari knowing that Allison and Newey will work together.

 

And as for my personal opinion i will not change Raikkonen with Vettel.

[rhukkas]

If Newey is going in 2015 that means you won't see a Newey car until 2016. And Newey is a specialist in dramatic regulatory changes. So for ferrari this isn't an instant remedy for success.

[Clatter]

Has any insider or freelance journalist given credence to these rumours? I see no comment from F1engima, Joe Saward or James Allen for instance. This particular rumour does not appear to exist distinct of Sky itself.

Someone always has to be first with the news. 

[Disgrace]

Someone always has to be first with the news. 

 

I understand that, but there is no news. The only thing I found elsewhere was this on thejudge13.com:

 

 

Red Bull has not denied rumours Ferrari made yet another move to poach Adrian Newey. “We’re used to these permanent poaching attempts from both sides,” Dr Helmut Marko told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, referring not just to Ferrari. “Mercedes and Ferrari don’t just try to get our top employees; they are trying at every level (of the team),” said Marko.

 

Any approaches to the best employees in F1 is self-evident. It only becomes news when they appear set to move to rivals (e.g. Fallows and Prodromou). Suggesting "he would take the 'name your price' offer from Ferrari" is quite a large extrapolation that no other (reputable or otherwise) F1 reporter seems willing to make.

 

My personal judgement given the context is that this rumour only exists because one media entity is creating meaning out of something meaningless. The current contrast between Sky beating the drums and otherwise universal silence has meaning to me, but I reserve the right to be very wrong given time. 

[PayasYouRace]

Does Adrian have children? If so how old are they? I'd always assumed he would rather stay in the UK for family reasons. At some point his children would be old enough to leave and he wouldn't be tied down.

[quasi C]

Disgrace: the news first came from Italian sports daily Gazzetta Dello Sport last week. I mean it's not really big news that Ferrari are offering AN a contract, they've done it a few times.

 

Usually I would say there's a 0.1% chance of it happening but after seeing that sky interview I'll raise it to about 5%. He could've easily said "I'm very happy at Red Bull" like he's always done.

[chrcol]

This current red bull is no dog, the last half of race it was setting laps as fast and faster than the mercs.

 

Newey refused to rule out moving to ferrari which means either something will happen or he is playing games with the media.

[ReeVe]

Usually I would say there's a 0.1% chance of it happening but after seeing that sky interview I'll raise it to about 5%. He could've easily said "I'm very happy at Red Bull" like he's always done.

 

 

Why would he? Leaving the slighest hint he might entertain the notion will double his Red Bull salary quicksmart

 

IMO Newey will stay where he is ... DM has no issue paying him more, and at RB there's no Luca demanding the spotlight

[MetallurgicalHedonist]

Should Newey go to Ferrari, it will be 100% sure that Vettel will go with him.

 

Here's hoping that when he eventually gets unfortunately further dominant cars at Ferrari (due to Newey) that, at least, Alonso will be his teammate and not some no.2 muppet like he did enjoy 4 or 5 years at RedBull. If Vettel will, once again have dominant cars (this time at Ferrari) and at the same easy teammates once again, I will vomit like a fountain.

[Ellios]

Newey isn't going to Ferrari, James Allison can't pull everything together at Maranello there seems little incentive for Adrian Newey to make it any better, it's a young mans job and a big one at that...

[Flyhigh]

IF Adrian Newey were to got to Ferrari and manages to help the team find its winning ways again, I would say Newey would have to be mention along side the legendary drivers such as Senna, Schumacher, every time F1 greats were discussed. I am not one to belive in magic bullet, were there any other bigger bullets than hiring Alonso and bringing Santander deep pockets in 2010? It sure looked like a combination of success. Newey would be another one, but Ferrari issues seem to be deeper.I would look into overall team management, they would be better off by having no Italian bias at all. Sure, do hire Italians when they are the best for the roles, but the team seems to have an overhelming amount of them in several roles in the team, they need to be highly internationalized team like most F1 teams seem to be. That would be my hint looking from the outside.  

[garagetinkerer]

Should Newey go to Ferrari, it will be 100% sure that Vettel will go with him.

 

Here's hoping that when he eventually gets unfortunately further dominant cars at Ferrari (due to Newey) that, at least, Alonso will be his teammate and not some no.2 muppet like he did enjoy 4 or 5 years at RedBull. If Vettel will, once again have dominant cars (this time at Ferrari) and at the same easy teammates once again, I will vomit like a fountain.

I have never seen a post from you where haven't taken the piss out of Vettel.   Seriously, what did he do to you?

[Zava]

Should Newey go to Ferrari, it will be 100% sure that Vettel will go with him.

 

Here's hoping that when he eventually gets unfortunately further dominant cars at Ferrari (due to Newey) that, at least, Alonso will be his teammate and not some no.2 muppet like he did enjoy 4 or 5 years at RedBull. If Vettel will, once again have dominant cars (this time at Ferrari) and at the same easy teammates once again, I will vomit like a fountain.

so just continue doing the usual.

 

I don't see Newey going to ferrari, not even with Vettel, who he is quite fond of.

[MetallurgicalHedonist]

Maybe Alonso wants it but he is not stupid enough to know that it will take years for Newey to sort the team out, and Alonso will be long gone form F1. [...]

 

As many years it took Newey after entering Williams at the beginning of the 90's? As many years it took Newey after entering McLaren in mid 97?

 

And regarding an "old" Alonso: even with 38 or 39 you can win championships with tied arms and steering the car with your knees, if you are a certain caliber of driver (Mansell, Prost) sitting in insanely luxurious magic Newey carpets (1992, 1993). And Alonso certainly belongs to that driver category.

Edited by MetallurgicalHedonist, 11 May 2014 - 22:40.