33 replies to this topic

[A310V6]

2004, fastest race lap , 1.14.439 Michael

 

2014, pole, 1.15.989 Rosberg

[Maustinsj]

Different regulations.

 

Next please.

[Farhannn15]

Less horsepower, Less downforce, No Traction Control, what did you expect??

[RuleyRamundo]

 

2004, fastest race lap , 1.14.439 Michael

 

2014, pole, 1.15.989 Rosberg

 

 

Nico's time included parking.

[A310V6]

A sport, records, evolution......

[PayasYouRace]

Trulli's pole was 1:13.985, for reference.

 

Frankly being only a couple of seconds down given the lack of downforce and all the other changes is pretty good. Not sure what point you're trying to make. They've been a fair bit slower at other circuits. This is probably the worst place to bring this up.

[apoka]

Only 2.5 seconds down on the fastest ever qualy lap in Monaco is not a huge problem - 1:13.556 (Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 2011).

[MrAerodynamicist]

A sport, records, evolution......

You simply have to accept that lap times can't drop forever. While the speed of light might be the ultimate goal, safety provides the practical limit and technology passed that point long ago. Unless some magic technology comes along that negates the consequences of having a crash, we'll still be seeing laptims in the 1m13-15 bracket in 2040.

Edited by MrAerodynamicist, 24 May 2014 - 20:46.

[A310V6]

@PayasYouRace "Not sure what point you're trying to make."

 

 

They had a chance to introduce hybrid technology in F1 like “fast & sexy”

Overregulation killed it for me.

Anyway , very good job by Mercedes.

[PayasYouRace]

@PayasYouRace "Not sure what point you're trying to make."

 

 

They had a chance to introduce hybrid technology in F1 like “fast & sexy”

Overregulation killed it for me.

Anyway , very good job by Mercedes.

 

You're expecting the first year of a new formula to be anything like the peak of a former one?

[A310V6]

"You're expecting the first year of a new formula to be anything like the peak of a former one?"

 

 

With the fuel flow sensor, don’t expect big gains on the engine.

 

The small gains are in the fuel now (until the FIA intervene).

 

I found the V8 2.4 at 18000rpm a little underpowered, and was hoping for a new start => Very big disappointment

[jonpollak]

You want fast?
Watch the Indy500.
Jp

[xmoonrakerx]

Trulli's pole was 1:13.985, for reference.

 

Frankly being only a couple of seconds down given the lack of downforce and all the other changes is pretty good. Not sure what point you're trying to make. They've been a fair bit slower at other circuits. This is probably the worst place to bring this up.

 

1:13.5 something is the fastest lap, think by kimi

[A310V6]

@jonpollak "You want fast?"

 

 

What I want is, Nigel driving so fast for pole at Silverstone (92) that even Frank Williams looked a little nervous, it’s Ayrton driving a car at Monaco at the extreme limits of human possibility.

 

It’s Valentino controlling a 250Hp motorcycle in the rain, it’s Seb driving a monster up Pikes Peak.

 

 

 

And I want F1 back please

[SpartanChas]

Yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn.

You think the drivers were having an easy time out there?

Edited by SpartanChas, 24 May 2014 - 23:38.

[Brother Fox]

What! The cars are slower, quieter and the fans aren't happy?

Why hasn't someone started a thread on this before????

[dweller23]

@jonpollak "You want fast?"

 

 

What I want is, Nigel driving so fast for pole at Silverstone (92) that even Frank Williams looked a little nervous, it’s Ayrton driving a car at Monaco at the extreme limits of human possibility.

 

It’s Valentino controlling a 250Hp motorcycle in the rain, it’s Seb driving a monster up Pikes Peak.

 

 

 

And I want F1 back please

And I was really going to support you, until I read the part about 1992 cars about the great example of pushing. Now I'm torn, on one hand new F1 is slow, on second hand I'd never want to see something like in 1992, where a computer drove the car.

[Myrvold]

Oh and 92 was several seconds slower. So with that theory everyone should be very afraid now. If 'even Frank Williams' looked nervous 22 years ago.

[mtknot]

 

2004, fastest race lap , 1.14.439 Michael

 

2014, pole, 1.15.989 Rosberg

 

Uh no, the cars aren't actually that much slower this year. They're slower by one, or two seconds on average per lap. Heck, in Bahrain they were barely a second off last year's cars for the pole time. 

Pole position in 2004 was something in the ballpark of 1'13. 2013, 2012, 2011 were around 1'14, so they're not far off this year's pole time. The record lap in 2004 was a 1'14 because of the refueling regulations-that time was done on low fuel and fresh tyres. 2008 for example had a slower pole time... and simply a result of the car being slower. 

The current regulations do have quite the potential to become much quicker anyway. 

I personally would like a return to the 2010 Aero regulations, however, even though it'd make the racing a bit stale, the cars had insane amounts of downforce that year. Also... blown floors -are- energy recovery arent they...?   
 

[George Costanza]

And I was really going to support you, until I read the part about 1992 cars about the great example of pushing. Now I'm torn, on one hand new F1 is slow, on second hand I'd never want to see something like in 1992, where a computer drove the car.

 

1993 was a bit more advanced than 1992. Yet Ayrton had one of his finest driving seasons....

[helioseism]

 

And I want F1 back please

 

It's still here. 

[Lone]

If you put proper tires on, instead of these rocks Pirelli has produced for this year, the cars wouldn't be so slow.

[Brother Fox]

Jesus were turning into goldilocks in relation to tyres

These tyres are too soft - waaahh
These tyres are too hard - waaahh

[PayasYouRace]

"You're expecting the first year of a new formula to be anything like the peak of a former one?"

 

 

With the fuel flow sensor, don’t expect big gains on the engine.

 

The small gains are in the fuel now (until the FIA intervene).

 

I found the V8 2.4 at 18000rpm a little underpowered, and was hoping for a new start => Very big disappointment

 

There are plenty of gains to be made elsewhere. In power unit terms the electric side will be a place for a few gains, and as usual the other mechanical parts and the aero will provide laptime gains too. I really don't see how you can be so disappointed over a couple of seconds.

 

 

1:13.5 something is the fastest lap, think by kimi

 

The OP mentioned 2004. Actually, during qualifying I was thinking I wonder how far off the lap record they are, and without looking it up I expected it to be in the 1:10-1:11 range, so the fact the the current cars aren't that slow in comparison is encouraging.

[A310V6]

@SpartanChas “You think the drivers were having an easy time out there?”

 

1.Rookies have no problem adapting.

 

2. Listen to the team radio, the only time a drivers heartbeat goes up is when they think their teammate is given better treatment.

 

3. engineers starting to earn more than top drivers.

 

Yes I think it’s too easy now, pity because we have some very good drivers in F1

 

 

 

@dweller23 “And I was really going to support you, until I read the part about 1992 cars about the great example of pushing”

 

I mentioned it because that year at Silverstone, Nigel had the fastest time during qualifying and it was obvious no one was going to beat him. Still he went out again pushing the car to the limits, for himself, for the spectators and for the record.

 

I’m not living in the past, we have big talents in F1 now, but if they would do something like in 92, it will be “Seb; use  your head” , “Lewis; you will need the engine again,slow down please” ..........

 

@ helioseism “it’s still here”

 

Some of the cars are very nice, the Red Bull, the Mercedes, look at that front wing=> art

 

The hybrid technology is high tech, I love it.

 

Only problem is we now have 580HP from the ICE & 160Hp from the recovery systems, total 740Hp.

 

For me these cars can use another 100Hp, at least.

 

Whit these rules not much will change, except for better drivability, to make things even more boring. Give them some freedom and when it becomes too fast/dangerous intervene.

 

No overregulation from the start.

 

My suggestion for next year; fuel 120 Kg, fuel flow 120L/h for race and 130L/h for qualification, wider tires.

[krod]

I would like F1 to look into far more road-relevant stuff like traction control, automatic avoidance systems, full ABS, ground effect, etc.

Of course the cars *will* be much faster, and we will have to start optimising the weak points. For one thing the driver will need to go - they won't be able to handle the G-forces.

But then we can truly expect faster laptimes *every* year.

[tomjol]

@SpartanChas “You think the drivers were having an easy time out there?”

1.Rookies have no problem adapting.

2. Listen to the team radio, the only time a drivers heartbeat goes up is when they think their teammate is given better treatment.

3. engineers starting to earn more than top drivers.

Yes I think it’s too easy now, pity because we have some very good drivers in F1



@dweller23 “And I was really going to support you, until I read the part about 1992 cars about the great example of pushing”

I mentioned it because that year at Silverstone, Nigel had the fastest time during qualifying and it was obvious no one was going to beat him. Still he went out again pushing the car to the limits, for himself, for the spectators and for the record.

I’m not living in the past, we have big talents in F1 now, but if they would do something like in 92, it will be “Seb; use your head” , “Lewis; you will need the engine again,slow down please” ..........

@ helioseism “it’s still here”

Some of the cars are very nice, the Red Bull, the Mercedes, look at that front wing=> art

The hybrid technology is high tech, I love it.

Only problem is we now have 580HP from the ICE & 160Hp from the recovery systems, total 740Hp.

For me these cars can use another 100Hp, at least.

Whit these rules not much will change, except for better drivability, to make things even more boring. Give them some freedom and when it becomes too fast/dangerous intervene.

No overregulation from the start.

My suggestion for next year; fuel 120 Kg, fuel flow 120L/h for race and 130L/h for qualification, wider tires.

On engineers, what exactly is the problem with that? Is the car not the dominant factor when it comes to lap time?

On intervening when it becomes too dangerous, at what point do you draw the line? When we have the first death in F1 in 20 years? No thanks.

Edited by tomjol, 25 May 2014 - 09:27.

[xmoonrakerx]

next year i spect them to do 1:15 or 1:14, its first years of rules, they will be getting faster and faster

[Doughnut King]

It would be nice if lap times could be kept consistent from regulation to regulation, but it doesn't ruin it for me, as most of the time I don't pay much attention to times from year to year. 

Edited by Doughnut King, 25 May 2014 - 09:49.

[Nonesuch]

Of course the cars *will* be much faster, and we will have to start optimising the weak points. For one thing the driver will need to go - they won't be able to handle the G-forces.

 

Not necessarily. Today, the maximum performance of an F1 car is well within the abilities of the drivers to handle, and the differences between team-mates are measured in hundreds or tenths of seconds.

 

These are supposedly some the best drivers in the world, let's expand the possibilities for them to showcase their talents. And of course, we don't have to go from F1 2014 to the Red Bull X2014 in one go.

 

[PayasYouRace]

 

3. engineers starting to earn more than top drivers.

 

 

About bloody time! These guys work as hard and contribute as much as the drivers do.

[HoldenRT]

The quali pace wasn't too bad considering everything.  It'll be the race pace that is poor, the full fuel, the conserving of tyres etc.

[kismet]

I tend to view F1 as a competition between cars and their drivers, not a time trial between this year's cars and cars from years past. Thus, it doesn't bother me in the slightest to know that someone was a second or two faster under a different set of regulations, or that everyone would be faster if we just got rid of all those pesky rules and regulations. I don't think the point of competition is to go ever bigger, faster and stronger but to beat the rest of the field - even if the field is smaller, slower and weaker than it could be.

 

Besides, the next time I think race cars are too slow for Monaco will be the first time.

[Jamiednm]

I don't get why people still go on about the cars being too slow. It's as though you choose to ignore the very rational reason that the regulations have to slow the cars down periodically, otherwise F1 would be all about extreme G-force by now, perfect cars and remote control drivers, i.e. - Scaletrix. The regulations are still brand new and the engineers will claw back all of the lost speed from last year and find more over the coming seasons.