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2014 Monaco GP: The Race


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#1 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 00:16

Didn't see any thread so.. Here it is! Disappointing as a lewis fan but what's done is done, looking forward to it in 12 hours time!

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#2 Seanspeed

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 00:46

Its popular to get hung up on the qualifying here at Monaco. I mean, it typically is the most difficult track to pass at, along with Hungary. But I think we forget that strategy and pitwork can play an important part in the result, just as it would at any other track. And on top of that, after watching the GP2 feature race, I think we could actually see tire strategy play a pretty important role. Even ignoring the possibility of a safety car, I don't think a given starting position is quite the death sentence it may seem right now. I mean, I don't expect people to be driving through the field or anything, but aiming for a place or two ahead of where somebody starts isn't completely out of the question.

And of course, if the safety car does play a role, then it could truly become an entirely different game.

#3 Markn93

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 00:47

Would love some rain. 



#4 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 06:37

Weather forecasts say temp at 20 degrees

#5 DracoN

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 06:41

Top 3:

 

Mercedes

Ricciardo

Mercedes



#6 Lights

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 06:46

Would love some rain. 

 

BBC, yr.no and weather.com say it's not going to happen.



#7 sportyskells

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:03

i wonder if we a GP2 style traffic jam at the hairpin today? 



#8 boldhakka

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:07

Its popular to get hung up on the qualifying here at Monaco. I mean, it typically is the most difficult track to pass at, along with Hungary. But I think we forget that strategy and pitwork can play an important part in the result, just as it would at any other track. And on top of that, after watching the GP2 feature race, I think we could actually see tire strategy play a pretty important role. Even ignoring the possibility of a safety car, I don't think a given starting position is quite the death sentence it may seem right now. I mean, I don't expect people to be driving through the field or anything, but aiming for a place or two ahead of where somebody starts isn't completely out of the question.

And of course, if the safety car does play a role, then it could truly become an entirely different game.

 

Would these still apply if the leader goes slowly and controls the race? I wonder. 



#9 Jackmancer

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:11

2012 race edit:



#10 TomNokoe

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:13

Hamilton has every chance to win the race.
The start, the first few laps. The pit stop phase - no one is sure the undercut will work, but the super softs will have worn, no one really knows.

My perfect scenario would be Hamilton goes for the undercut, assuming it's the inferior strategy, has a 2 lap headstart at warming the tyres, comes out right on the tail of Rosberg, who is squirming around all over the shop. Lewis carries way more speed into Massenet and through Casino, dives down the inside into Mirabeau, gives Nico a love kiss tyre-to-tyre, after he refuses to concede the corner, he pathetically slides into the barriers.

#11 Disgrace

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:15

I don't wish any ill on any driver and I hope for an entertaining train of cars.  :up:



#12 Krchan

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:20

I just hope Nico makes the start...

I just hope Lewis will be very angry about everything that happend...

I just hope Merc doesn't go for a different strategies...

I just hope the two of them settle it on a track...  ooooo, what a race it would be...  :clap:



#13 Zoetrope

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:23

Hamilton has every chance to win the race.
The start, the first few laps. The pit stop phase - no one is sure the undercut will work, but the super softs will have worn, no one really knows.

My perfect scenario would be Hamilton goes for the undercut, assuming it's the inferior strategy, has a 2 lap headstart at warming the tyres, comes out right on the tail of Rosberg, who is squirming around all over the shop. Lewis carries way more speed into Massenet and through Casino, dives down the inside into Mirabeau, gives Nico a love kiss tyre-to-tyre, after he refuses to concede the corner, he pathetically slides into the barriers.

And Rosberg locks up his fronts doing strange movements with the wheel and parks it at the run-off?  :p



#14 TomNokoe

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:27

He won't get that far, but that's where he walks off after getting out of his car. Picture the scene... Hamilton going through Mirabeau the next lap, Rosberg walking away down the escape road, his car craned high in the air.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:13

Hamilton time and time proved that 2008 victory was rather "accidental", ever since then he didn't even score a podium, while two of his teammates at the time did. I just can't see him finishing the race after he got so mad yesterday. It would be unfortunate for him, but I think he might end up in a barriers early on.



#16 Markn93

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:13

BBC, yr.no and weather.com say it's not going to happen.

I have some hope then. 



#17 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:18

Ian Fergusson @fergieweather 21m

#F1 #BBCF1 #MONACO SUNDAY UPDATE: Race expected dry (rain probability 15-20%) but much cloudier than Saturday. Temp 20-21C; track low 30's



#18 joshb

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:18

Being selfish and unsporting, I'd want the Mercs to collide- one of them getting a grid penalty next race for causing it. Seb to nail Ricciardo off the line and win the race.

 

Except that won't happen...

 

Hopes for a class win behind the Mercs and if any of them hit problems, it is a bonus, but the race will go the way of recent years, drivers going slowly, wait until some midfielder makes the move on strategy and cue 5 laps of mayhem in the pits and then a procession to the flag.



#19 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:19

Oh and talking about different strategies, seems like, as has been the case in the previous 2 years, that they expect everyone to do a 1 stopper.



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#20 study

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:43

Buxtons talking a load of crap

#21 OO7

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:43

F1 world slowly waking up.

@willbuxton
The importance of today's race cannot be overstated. The result of the battle between Rosberg and Hamilton could be career defining.


I truly believe whoever comes out on top today will place one hand on the world championship, and themselves in their rival's subconscious.

The hype train in overdrive I see.



#22 BCM

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:45

Maldonado for a shock win after a massive pile up at T1 caused by Hamilton "Senna"-ing Rosberg and everyone piling into them. With his extensive experience in crashing Maldonado magics himself through the ensuing chaos and goes on for the win.



#23 GAZF1nut

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:45

I cannot wait for this race, mainly because the rivalry between the Merc drivers is at breaking point now and whatever happens this race could be a deciding factor in the outcome of the WDC. Also, since nobody knows the optimal strategy and the since the conditions appear to be different to yesterday, it means that any setup work may be out of the window. 

 

Who said F1 2014 was boring?  :p



#24 OO7

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:46

It would pretty funny if after all of this talking we have a pretty mundane Monaco GP.



#25 study

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:47

How can nico winning Monaco have a bearing on the Canadian, British, hungry and German GPS?

#26 TomNokoe

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:47

Oops, accidentally deleted the post :lol: Wanted to edit it for clarification that both parts of the post were Buxton's tweets.

@willbuxton
The importance of today's race cannot be overstated. The result of the battle between Rosberg and Hamilton could be career defining. 1/2

I truly believe whoever comes out on top today will place one hand on the world championship, and themselves in their rival's subconscious. 2/2

#27 study

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:48

Will Buxton needs gagging

#28 robefc

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:49

I like Buxton but I think he may have availed himself of a little too much Monaco nightlife...

#29 BCM

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:51

In all seriousness, all Hamilton needs to do is cruise around and take 2nd here. Then when they get back to tracks where you can actually overtake it will be normal resumption of service. Hamilton already has his name on the WDC.



#30 Markn93

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:54

Will Buxton needs gagging

He followed it up with how to watch in America, times etc, so just a PR thing. It is his job so can't really blame him.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:57

I can't wait for the race, love Monaco, if it gets 'boring' I will just watch the on-boards - they scare me silly :p


As for the strategy for Monaco, it could be tricky for all teams as they all have their drivers close together on track (so no double pitting on the same lap). The lack of running in P2 won't have helped as no-one has any idea how long the supersofts will last for or how much of a drop off they will have and that will be crucial - if they don't drop off quickly the undercut may not be better if it takes the soft a couple of laps to get up to temperature (along with whether those at the front can pull a big enough gap on those starting on softs to pit and get out ahead). Throw a few safety cars into the mix and it will be easy to end up looking foolish on the wrong strategy.

 

I don't think there will be any problem between Lewis and Nico at the first corner. Lewis will have calmed down by the race and won't do anything stupid (Merc bosses will have been very clear they are not to collide) - I think they will both probably be more careful than usual. I expect Alonso to jump at least 1 of the Red Bulls though - neither of those seem to start that well and Alonso has the better inside line.



#32 OO7

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:58

Oops, accidentally deleted the post :lol: Wanted to edit it for clarification that both parts of the post were Buxton's tweets.

@willbuxton
The importance of today's race cannot be overstated. The result of the battle between Rosberg and Hamilton could be career defining. 1/2

I truly believe whoever comes out on top today will place one hand on the world championship, and themselves in their rival's subconscious. 2/2

:lol: Even worst than I thought, hype wise.



#33 TomNokoe

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:01

I think he has a point though. :rolleyes:

#34 toofast

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:01

Hamilton's DNF will make the championship battle a bit more fun as I don't think Rosberg can challenge him in the long run especially in the next few races.



#35 Seanspeed

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:20

DNF's really should be on the Mercedes' drivers minds. When the other is almost guaranteed to win at any given weekend, a DNF truly is devastating. We saw that Lewis needed 4 wins in a row in order to overcome his Australia DNF which isn't easy to do.

I'm looking forward to this little battle between them as well. Hopefully one of them loses their nerve a bit, although by recent evidence, it seems Rosberg is more likely to cock up.

Edited by Seanspeed, 25 May 2014 - 09:21.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:37

How many cars can Pasta wreck on the first lap? I reckon 4 + his one.

 

NR and LH don't finish.

 

DR wins, FA 2nd and SV 3rd.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:40

A lot of people expect fireworks, not sure about it. I think Mercedes drivers will be mature about it and the team will give the chance to win to the driver that goes faster. The start is always risky here no matter if Lewis is mad with Nico or not.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:43

DNF's really should be on the Mercedes' drivers minds. When the other is almost guaranteed to win at any given weekend, a DNF truly is devastating. We saw that Lewis needed 4 wins in a row in order to overcome his Australia DNF which isn't easy to do.

I'm looking forward to this little battle between them as well. Hopefully one of them loses their nerve a bit, although by recent evidence, it seems Rosberg is more likely to cock up.

 

I suspect the championship will likely be decided by one or two DNFs if Mercedes continues to dominate.

 

The Worlds Series by Renault race isn't particularly thrilling.

 

About GP2 and WSR:

Spoiler


Edited by Doughnut King, 25 May 2014 - 09:56.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:55

Got Kvyat as first DNF... but given that he crashed in qualy, odds on him being the first out in the race are slim



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#40 Longtimefan

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:04

If Lewis is still as annoyed as he was yesterday, I expect him to win it or bin it.

Either way, I hope Nico has a good start, then we'll have a race ..possibly.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:11

I think if Hamilton wins, then it's a big big blow for rosberg. If rosberg wins I thinks Hamilton will be able to rationalise that in his mind after yesterday. I think the big story will be a DNF from one if them.

I also think vettel will beat ricciardo off the line and beat him in the race, though his car seems a bit fragile this weekend. I think the race from Ferrari downwards will be superb

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:12

If Lewis is still as annoyed as he was yesterday, I expect him to win it or bin it.


Yep, I think this is where we see whether he really has changed or not. If he's finally started to look at the big picture he'll have a go off the line and then just drive sensibly and get what he can

#43 JamesHunt

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:15

Any alternative live timing for this race?

#44 Antonov

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:16

rain is in the area.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:18

For the 'show' I'd like to see Hamilton and Rosberg come together at the start and Ricardio win closely from Vettel and Alonso.

That would really spice things up. But I think the Mercedes team will have exerted some control over their drivers and it'll be a processional race maybe decided by strategy.



#46 Zoetrope

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:19

A lot of people expect fireworks, not sure about it. I think Mercedes drivers will be mature about it and the team will give the chance to win to the driver that goes faster. The start is always risky here no matter if Lewis is mad with Nico or not.

Hamilton will be surely upset about 2nd place, but he knows he can't afford to lose another 18 points to Nico. He will try his every chance, but no silly moves. Expecting rather boring race, unless we have a drizzle forcing them to chose between slicks and inters.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:48

 Brundle just reported that Nico's car had the clutch replaced because if the damaged caused 

from backing up from the run off area... this will definitely affect his start.....



#48 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:50

Vettel has a penalty for a gearbox change?



#49 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:55

Kimi not on the track parade lol.



#50 Antonov

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:57

Kimi might not be able to start sadly