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[PayasYouRace]

It's 4-2 for Jules. But granted, that's already the same amount of qualies Chilton won last year, so that's an improvement.

 

I forgot about Jules' penalty. Thanks.

[bub]

 

You'd rather watch somoene obviously out of their depth like Chilton than a race winner like Maldonado?

 

The door is over there. Close it on the way out please.

 

You'd rather watch somebody who ruins other driver's races, uses his car as a weapon and potentially injures people than someone who rarely bothers anybody? 

Edited by bub, 27 May 2014 - 12:27.

[turssi]

He keeps Marussia on the grid. For some that is enough reason to remove the guy, for me I say let them stay.

[Dunc]

Is Max in F1 based on his driving talent alone? Heck no he isn't and we all know why.

 

However its not as if pay drivers are a new thing in F1 and if you want to see a calibre of drivers far worse than Chilton could ever strive to be, look at the early-mid 90's F1 grids.

 

If Marussia's future is dependant on him driving for the team then there's no other option really but to have him there. As ever British TV coverage tries to make him appear far better than he is but I don't think he is as bad as some people here make out.

 

By the standards of most of the paydrivers I can remember in F1 Chilton isn't really that bad.  As other point out, he finsihes races, doesn't really get into incidents and actually does seem to be learning.  If Andrea de Crasheris could come close to winning races in the right car I'm pretty sure Chilton could manage it on the right afternoon.

[ensign14]

Since he has entered F1 he has never made a competitive overtake, he does nothing but drives around alot slower than he more talented teammate, i know he brings the money but i want him to be replaced for next year, we have always had pay drivers in F1 i know that but this kid is not a F1 driver.

 

Tom?  Is that you?

[Burtros]

You'd rather watch somebody who ruins other driver's races, uses his car as a weapon and potentially injures people than someone who rarely bothers anybody? 

 

You'd need him to be crashing in every race and have a history of injuring others for that to stick I am afraid.

[purplehaireddolphin]

Until a lucky Monaco result, Max was well ahead of Jules in the WDC (even if they were equal on points 0-0) so I don't see why he should be replaced.

[bub]

You'd need him to be crashing in every race and have a history of injuring others for that to stick I am afraid.

 

He crashes plenty, he's ruined plenty of other guys races. I believe he injured a track-side worker once and the only reason he hasn't injured more people yet is because of the safety measures in place and luck, not Pastor's judgement and skill but that luck could easily run out. The more mistakes you make and the more often you crash, the more likely you are too hurt someone. Maldonado is more dangerous than Max. Being quite slow for an F1 driver never hurt anyone, being reckless on the other hand...

[Burtros]

He crashes plenty, he's ruined plenty of other guys races. I believe he injured a track-side worker once and the only reason he hasn't injured more people yet is because of the safety measures in place and luck, not Pastor's judgement and skill but that luck could easily run out. The more mistakes you make and the more often you crash, the more likely you are too hurt someone. Maldonado is more dangerous than Max. Being quite slow for an F1 driver never hurt anyone, being reckless on the other hand...

 

 

I have never said Max is more Dangerous.

 

I said Maldonado as a GP2 Champion and F1 race winner is more worthy of a place on the grid than that of Max Chilton.

 

Something you are yet to offer any real evidence to counter??

 

PS. Saying he causes plenty of crashes and that you 'believe' he may have injured someone is not evidence.

[bub]

I have never said Max is more Dangerous.

 

I said Maldonado as a GP2 Champion and F1 race winner is more worthy of a place on the grid than that of Max Chilton.

 

Something you are yet to offer any real evidence to counter??

 

PS. Saying he causes plenty of crashes and that you 'believe' he may have injured someone is not evidence.

 

And I've never said Max is more worthy than Maldonado. I said I would rather have Max in F1 than Maldonado because I would rather someone drive around comparatively slowly but safely than someone drive around quickly sometimes but use their car as a weapon, crashes and ruins other peoples races and potentially causes injury.

Each to his/her own, no need for your 'close the door on your way out' type comments.

[Andrew Hope]

There is no "worthy" of a place in F1. There are people in it and people not in it.

[bourbon]

He ruined Kimi's race.    

 

Bad timing for a thread asking if he should be replaced if you don't want biased answers. 

 

At this time, the answer is a clear and resounding yes from me.  Boot him.   

[mzvztag]

I have only one comment here: although it apparently seems that Chilton was to blame for the Monaco accident with Kimi (did anyone ever saw any footage?), the fact is that Kimi objected that he received no info from his team that the lapped drivers are about to overtake. That means that he, had he received this information, would have done some things differently. Therefore, maybe Chilton is not 100% to blame. Besides, Kimi himself destroyed some people's races in Monaco before.

Edited by mzvztag, 27 May 2014 - 14:34.

[Brandz07]

Interesting graphic...

 

[ensign14]

Not really, without a scale or explanation it means **** all.

[PayasYouRace]

Suggests Max needs a bit more time to get on it than Jules but ends up roughly the same.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 27 May 2014 - 18:07.

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

His money keeps the entire team in a job. Pull the funding and they get thrown to the sharks.

[Juan Kerr]

Since he has entered F1 he has never made a competitive overtake, he does nothing but drives around alot slower than he more talented teammate, i know he brings the money but i want him to be replaced for next year, we have always had pay drivers in F1 i know that but this kid is not a F1 driver.

 

The amount of talent we have waiting to burst through but the money has stopped them from coming, i know this will always be the case but i hate F1 for it, i want to see drivers like Jules who went all out yesterday not just there to keep up a finishing record.

He's got one of the most talented wallets on the grid, a vital element to success!

[MikeTekRacing]

this is racing why are people so f*** prima donnas?

what is with this hate parade? do some of you guys envy him for being rich or in f1? he's richer than all of us together probably and he's faster than all of us. He seems a smart kid in the interviews and he is probably 1sec slower than he should be to win titles.

 

have you guys actually tried to race something? tried to get a budget even for go-karting? nobody gets anywhere near the track on talent alone. drivers' parents pay huge bills, sometimes sell their cars and homes for their kids to go racing...and the ones you admire now as fastest had more money when they started than some kids that never came anywhere near a track and never got a chance.

 

it's a cruel world, get the heck over it and leave the kid alone. he's quite ok and probably without him Jules would be watching the races at home

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

Exactly. I like Chilton.

 

And let's not forget, without Chilton's money, Bianchi would not even have a drive or be able to show his talents. Chilton is the daddy in that team and they all know it.

[DS27]

Not really, without a scale or explanation it means **** all.

 

I can be quite dense at times, but isn't it kinda obvious?

[Brandz07]

Not really, without a scale or explanation it means **** all.

I didn't think it was that hard to work out..

[ensign14]

I can be quite dense at times, but isn't it kinda obvious?

 

Actually, no.  I assumed it was about Monaco.  I've only just sussed it's the season to date - probably because the scale goes from 0 to 20, whereas the maximum possible is 6.  So it's highly misleading.

 

This is the problem with the rise of the infographic.  People put any old **** into pictures and assume it's meaningful.  They don't actually think about what it ought to look like.  Something like that only needed Numbers.

[PayasYouRace]

I thought the graphic was obvious at a glance.

[ensign14]

So what's the difference between Race and H2H Race?  Why are things like free practice ranked the same as race performance?  Indeed more so as FP takes up half the graph?  Why does it go up to an impossible number?  Why is there a pointless column on there?

 

It's someone showing off their graphic skills with no proper understanding of the underlying data.  I'm out.

 

[PayasYouRace]

So what's the difference between Race and H2H Race?  Why are things like free practice ranked the same as race performance?  Indeed more so as FP takes up half the graph?  Why does it go up to an impossible number?  Why is there a pointless column on there?

 

 

Well I might be wrong but I assumed Race was the race result while H2H Race was taking into account only when both were on track. Something like that. It's obviously including all sessions, and as FP sessions take up half the weekend they would naturally take up half the graph. It goes up to one more than the number of races this year. Either the maker chose to go to a round number or he's been using the graphic since 2012. Who knows? Who cares? The pointless column is clearly for 3rd drivers in FP1. Marussia haven't used any this year so it's empty.

 

All quite clear at a glance, except perhaps the H2H Race which would need some explanation. It's hardly the puzzle you're making it out to be.

[Tsarwash]

Chilton has done fine, and I don't know anybody is on his case at all, apart from the fact that he and their favourite driver had a coming together behind the safety car. Something that nobody seems to have seen, as no footage of it has come to light.

[Jejking]

I think Chilton is solely responsible for the good results of Marussia lately.

 

He and his dad injected a lot of cash into the team and car, which upgraded slightly and moved forward. Then he punctured Raikkonen and took him out of contention so that Jules could push into the points. Good move. Your turn haters!

[FastnLoud]

I think Chilton is solely responsible for the good results of Marussia lately.

 

He and his dad injected a lot of cash into the team and car, which upgraded slightly and moved forward. Then he punctured Raikkonen and took him out of contention so that Jules could push into the points. Good move. Your turn haters!

 

That comment backfired

[ATM]

Seriously now, Marussia needs AON's money like air. So far, only one crash (granted, when it goes bad, it really goes bad...taking our your team-mate is the worst you can do)...not a lot of spectacular moves, not a lot to show on, but but I've seen a lot worse pay drivers in the past. So, considering his financial importance in the team, booting him would be a really bad idea. 

Of course, when the money runs out, and should the seat be judged only on merit, the situation will obviously be very different. But I fail to remember when a seat was offered only on merit at Marussia. 

[Myrvold]

Bianchi doesn't bring (or get) money to(from) Marussia does he?

[Francesc]

I'm sure he's bringing cheaper Ferrari engines.

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

If Max goes, I don't see Marussia coming up with enough funds quickly enough to keep them solvent. I wonder if they are drip fed the fund by Chilton Snr or get their money in a big lump(s).

 

If Max goes, 200 lose their job I suspect.

[Jon83]

Still a 'no' from me, despite a couple of bad weekends.

 

I think Chilton has improved and he obviously brings money which is massively important for the team. He almost always brings the car home, which will always give them a chance of another high finish.

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