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[Option1]

Marques =/= Marquez

 

FAIL!!!

WWWWOOOSHHHHHHHH!

[BRG]

The only example of a true success is John Surtees. 

 

Apart from Mike Hailwood of course.

 

Look at Kubica in WRC. I really believe he is much more talented than other rally drivers (maybe except for Ogier)

That is a remarkably silly comment.  As Kubica's problems in trying to keep up with that bunch of also-rans is demonstrating.

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And there goes a nice thread. A shame!

 

Perhaps someone can start a new one: 'Crossovers - from Rally to F1, from Motorcycles to F1, From Any Topsport to F1 - will it happen again?'

Well cmon, where else could anything start than with a casual fun drive?  Toe in the water.

 

He might not think much of it, or he might be smitten.  If he were smitten, well there's not much of a challenge left for him on bikes now, is there?

[Nemo1965]

Well cmon, where else could anything start than with a casual fun drive?  Toe in the water.

 

He might not think much of it, or he might be smitten.  If he were smitten, well there's not much of a challenge left for him on bikes now, is there?

 

I think that, in these modern times, it is almost impossible to be smitten when you drive a F1 car. I think one of the most enlightening pieces on F1 was the drive that Richard Hammond did in the Renault F1 car. He explained it beautifully: to be able to drive faster, he had to drive faster. Because he was driving too slow, the car would not warm up... and he could not drive faster. Or as Brundle explained: modern F1 cars are about heat-management. If you can't get heat in the brakes, in the tyres, in the system, you can forget about driving them fast.

 

My view has always been: F1 cars of the sixties and seventies were easy to drive slow but hard to drive fast (and dangerous on top of that). Modern F1 cars are hellish to drive slow but easy to drive fast (but how do you get from slow to fast?)

 

For a Moto Gp driver to succesfully transfer to cars, he would first have to do some more simple single seater racing. F3, WSR 3.5... In other words: he would have to commit himself to a new career. No toe in the water, I fear.

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I think that, in these modern times, it is almost impossible to be smitten when you drive a F1 car. I think one of the most enlightening pieces on F1 was the drive that Richard Hammond did in the Renault F1 car. He explained it beautifully: to be able to drive faster, he had to drive faster. Because he was driving too slow, the car would not warm up... and he could not drive faster. Or as Brundle explained: modern F1 cars are about heat-management. If you can't get heat in the brakes, in the tyres, in the system, you can forget about driving them fast.

 

My view has always been: F1 cars of the sixties and seventies were easy to drive slow but hard to drive fast (and dangerous on top of that). Modern F1 cars are hellish to drive slow but easy to drive fast (but how do you get from slow to fast?)

 

For a Moto Gp driver to succesfully transfer to cars, he would first have to do some more simple single seater racing. F3, WSR 3.5... In other words: he would have to commit himself to a new career. No toe in the water, I fear.

That's good reasoning, but this isn't necessarily a reasoned decision is it.  The way you describe it is correct but it could be FUN, right?  He is 21.  He'd try it for fun.  He wouldn't need to be on the pace to know if it's for him.  The team could super-warm the tyres and use a pit near the pitlane exit, and he's not just a bloke after all.

 

Then as you say to get into it he has all kinds of learning in junior series.

 

Well who knows.  It would be so interesting.

[Nemo1965]

That's good reasoning, but this isn't necessarily a reasoned decision is it.  The way you describe it is correct but it could be FUN, right?  He is 21.  He'd try it for fun.  He wouldn't need to be on the pace to know if it's for him.  The team could super-warm the tyres and use a pit near the pitlane exit, and he's not just a bloke after all.

 

Then as you say to get into it he has all kinds of learning in junior series.

 

Well who knows.  It would be so interesting.

 

Abso ... lutely (fill in the gap. Sounds Like: Ducking)

[garagetinkerer]

WWWWOOOSHHHHHHHH!

I did see the "wait" but wanted the other poster to say a bit more... thought this may tickle his fancy enough to do it

[Altair]

Marques =/= Marquez

 

FAIL!!!

 

Actually it's so funny because i'm spaniard and i have to see some retransmitions in english because here races now are not for free and i love the english commentators pronunciation.

"LorenSouuuu" "Marqueeessss"

They use "s" instead of "z" and use to much the "u" too I love that! how their names sounds in english but is not the real pronunciation.

Edited by Altair, 04 June 2014 - 05:22.

[David1976]

I wouldn't get excited about Marquez saying he'd like to try F1.

 

It will be fairly fruitless I would suspect even if he does give it a go.

[HoldenRT]

When a driver in another series talks of F1, it's nearly always a gimmick that never comes true.. and even when it does come true it's usually a disappointment.  A lot of drivers or riders out there have a lot of talent, it's just that it doesn't always translate into an F1 car.  F1 is a sort of a niche and it's hyper competitive.  It's the elite but it's also about having connections in the right places and being focused soley on F1.  The easiest way is to start in F1 and build your career through F1, otherwise it's very hard.. even for the best drivers or riders outside of F1.  They can dominate other series but then try F1 and struggle.  But if those same F1 drivers went to the other series like MotoGP or Indycar or NASCAR, they'd struggle too.

Edited by HoldenRT, 04 June 2014 - 19:02.

[Eff One 2002]

I did see the "wait" but wanted the other poster to say a bit more... thought this may tickle his fancy enough to do it

I got around to it eventually...

[garagetinkerer]

I got around to it eventually...

[sopa]

I remember in 2005 there were rumours that Rossi was going to join Ferrari after Schumacher's retirement.

 

Well, certainly need something more substantial to even discuss about Marquez joining F1... as anything more than a one-off test driver.

[sopa]

Its true. Ability on a pogo stick is usually the main difference between the top drivers and the rest.

 

So THAT's what the talent scouts do when they try to select drivers for the future. And I was wondering about the methods, how does Helmut Marko decide, which drivers to take into the RB young driver programme.

[Risil]

The only example of a true success is John Surtees. And I don't think we will see another one quite like him ever again. It is close to impossible to do that today. Winning MotoGP title and the F1 championship?

 

Yet somehow John did it. And John could have won two or more titles had he stayed with Ferrari, which he admits.

That is an INCREDIBLE feat.

 

I don't know. It's not like someone's seriously attempted it since Hailwood, who was plenty fast. It's said that Gary Hocking, the Rhodesian world champion of 1961, had what it took as well. Surtees entered his first F1 race age 26, Hailwood 23; Hocking died in practice for his first Grand Prix at the age of 25. If we assume that racing drivers peak at the beginning of their thirties, it's clear that they all understood that to commit to a Grand Prix career, you have to kill your darlings and cut short your time at the top in bikes.

 

I don't think Marquez would do that. I have hopes for Casey Stoner being shown round an Indycar paddock by Will Power but am not holding my breath.