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#51 nicanary

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:43

Yes, I cheated. But if I am driving up the hill I always use the old road.

Simon

It'll mean a lot of stopping and starting, but good for you!

 

(There's no mention in "Motorsport Explorer" but I reckon Chuch Road out of Holywood leading up to Craigantlet would have made a cracking hillclimb.)



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#52 f1steveuk

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 13:20

The south coast oval.


 

 

"Does anyone know anything about this??  Sounds intriguing, and probably the best thing that never happened to Peacehaven".

 

Fairly certain I first read about this in David Burgess-Wise's "Automobile Archeology", and my copy is at home, so if someone else has it and can readt the "tracks" section, I'd be grateful, if not, I'll look when I go home.



#53 gtsmunro

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 02:23

I thought King Edward Park hillclimb was still operating. :confused:

Yes it is,  I listed it second in the 'current' group.



#54 Kpy

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:54

An interesting time for this thread to arrive, from my point of view.

Currently I'm about 10 km from the 1906 French GP circuit and very close ( a 5 minute walk) to the original northern end of the circuit de la Sarthe where it used to extend to the hairpin at Pontlieue.

At home I'm 8 km from the 1908 - 1912 French GP Dieppe - Londinières - Eu - Dieppe circuit.

Then there's Dieppe 1929-35 half an hour away, les Essarts near Rouen, where my wife works, about 45 minutes away and Amiens (two circuits, 1913 GP and another used 1952-?) the same distance away.



#55 PayasYouRace

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:56

There used to be hill climbs done on a stretch of road about 100 yards up the road from where I live in Gibraltar. Actually I saw some pictures recently. The TNFers would probably enjoy those if I can find them.



#56 Terry Walker

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 14:07

The nearest International former circuit to me is Caversham, disused since the end of 1968, but still there, where the 1957 and 1962 Australian GPs were held. Also not far away is the short sharp and challenging Lesmurdie Hillclimb, a public road now known as Crystal Brook Road. At the inaugural meeting in I think 1914 FTD was set in a 40-50HP Silver Ghost Rolls Royce which, a contemporary photo shows, had been somewhat lightened for the occasion. No doubt the chauffer had to put all the bits back on again before he drove the family home.


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#57 BRG

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 20:01

The south coast oval.


"Does anyone know anything about this??  Sounds intriguing, and probably the best thing that never happened to Peacehaven".

 

Fairly certain I first read about this in David Burgess-Wise's "Automobile Archeology", and my copy is at home, so if someone else has it and can readt the "tracks" section, I'd be grateful, if not, I'll look when I go home.

I have found some mention in, of all places, Hansard, the Parliamentary record from 1934.  The House of Lords was undertaking the Second Reading of the South Downs Preservation Bill.

 

"But quite recently a danger of another kind has presented itself. A short time ago application was made to the Portslade Urban District Council, which is the town-planning authority for the particular area concerned, by the Brighton Corporation and by the Brighton Motor Racing Track Syndicate for an interim development order under the Town Planning Act permitting them to develop land as a motor racing track."

 

"I may say, in passing, that Brighton has always been exceedingly keen on its own amenities, and I am perfectly certain that Brighton would never have authorised or suggested a motor racecourse if they had thought that it was going to spoil the amenities of the district."

 

"...it has been proposed in the Brighton area, on land leased by Brighton, to create what is called a super-racing track on one spur of the downs. That part of the downs, if this proposal is carried through, will have all its amenities, and advantages from the public point of view, completely destroyed. The proposal is that 1,100 acres of pure downland should be leased by the Brighton Corporation to this company. On this land they will enclose 400 to 500 acres, and within that have a racing track of four and a half miles, fencing it all in. A great part of it will be on the skyline, and the whole of it, with the exception of a few acres, above the 300 ft. contour which comprises the bare downs above it."

 

"But the real reason why this Bill has been introduced has undoubtedly to do with the proposed motor race track, and there has been an extraordinary amount of misrepresentation and prejudice with reference to it. The noble Earl opposite has stated that the area affected is only 1,100 acres in extent. The noble Marquess in introducing the Bill explained that the area, covered by the measure was thirty miles east and west and about fifteen miles north and south. An area of 1,100 acres cannot really be said seriously to interfere with so large an area of territory.  When a motor race track is talked about everybody imagines a sort of Brooklands. Nothing of the sort is contemplated here. All that is intended is to construct an ordinary road, with no concrete banking, and no unsightly buildings. The area is close to the old fever hospital, which is hardly a thing of beauty. It is close to the Brighton Golf Club, and there are some very unsightly buildings round the area, so that it cannot be said that the area is exactly sacrosanct. Something has been said about the opinions of the people in the area. One thing that has not been mentioned is that the other day there was an election there, for the Portslade Urban District Council, and four of the candidates who opposed the track on the Council were defeated, while the people who were in favour of the track were elected."

 

So even 80 years ago, the same sort of debate was taking place that we would expect these days! I take it from this that the whole idea was kicked into touch and went no further unless any of the sages of TNF can find any more about it.  Also given recent Brighton Council attempts to scotch the Speed Trials, it seems that pro and anti motorsport rows are nothing new on the south coast.


Edited by BRG, 13 June 2014 - 20:02.


#58 f1steveuk

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 14:28

Interesting, and quite a distance from where I read that a track was to be built, a track that WAS to have banked bends at each end. The plot thickens!

 

Good find though, thanks.



#59 BRG

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 19:10

You'll note in the full Hansard record several less than complimentary remarks abut Peacehaven which I guess was a new development in 1934, and whose appearance was clearly not approved of by their Lordships!   Not without reason as it is a bit of a blot even now.  But maybe that was the connection.  Also there did seem to be an implication of banked bends which Earl Howe refutes, so maybe it was one of those exaggerations that opponents to a scheme tend to employ sometimes.