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Formula E fan vote boost: good idea or bad?


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Poll: Fan boost: good idea or bad? (182 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you think allowing fan votes to influence racing is a good idea?

  1. Yes (15 votes [8.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.24%

  2. No (153 votes [84.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 84.07%

  3. I don't know (5 votes [2.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.75%

  4. I don't care (7 votes [3.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  5. Another option that isn't here that will be explained in the comments (2 votes [1.10%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.10%

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#101 bourbon

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:57

Vote for Jaime!



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#102 chipmcdonald

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:02

The fact that someone ever suggested this rule to be implemented is highly disappointing.

 

 

Exactly, it's flat out insane.  If this is the kind of thinking behind Formula E, it will self-destruct due to some sort of equally inane circumstance that ruins it's operational process.   It smacks of somebody "in charge" with a bunch of yes men nodding their heads: "sure boss.. yeah, let the fans vote on the race!  Sounds great, wonderful idea!".  

 

It will be amazing if I'm not committed by the end of the year.  Frak, ISIS has announced they're going into Saudi to destroy Mecca, it's bizarro world we live in now.  Proboscis monkey noses on vacuum cleaners, and a new series is thinks it's going to use some sort of retro 1991 MTV marketing scheme to make RACE CARS attract "fans"?????????

 

 

 

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#103 Brother Fox

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 06:05

Vote for Jaime!



Nooooooo
You can't fall for this crap otherwise it will justify it's existence

Even if he's (or she's) your favourite, be strong. Its for the greater good.

#104 Brackets

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:11

Do you feel more or less alienated by fanboost than success ballast in BTCC or reverse grids in that and GP2?

You continue to bring up issues with other racing series in what continues to look like some sort of justification for FE to be messed up as well by the fanboost, even before a wheel has been turned (what if FE was to be(come) the best racing series ever ~without~ the fanboost. We’d never know because it started ~with~ fanboost), and I keep wondering if I’m reading you wrong :).

Besides which, there is some – sort of – point to be made for success ballast in BTCC/WEC/etc.

F1 (and FE) is a “spec series”. I don’t mean spec cars, I mean that there is a clearly outlined spec (which is getting more ridiculous with every day that passes, but I digress), and you need to design your car within that spec. This leads to an equal-opportunity playfield.

Not so with GT-racing and the likes. You basically buy a road-going car and go racing (yes, that is ~grossly~ summarizing the concept). A couple of years ago the car to buy was the Corvette, next up was the R8, then the SLS, now the 458, and so on (please God don’t let it move on to the Bentley). That is NOT an equal-opportunity playfield. Unless of course you takes things to extremes and claim that everybody had a chance to buy the flavour-of-the-day-car (while ignoring that this can’t be predicted); and even if you do take it to that extreme, it still wouldn’t work for things like (W/B)TCC where manufacturers want to showcase their brand – I don’t see Honda running out to buy a Citroen to go racing… ergo, no more racing.

So, when everybody can just show up with whatever car (FE, ME, RE, 2wd, 4wd, V6/8/10/12,…), it does start to make some sense to level the advantage of the guys who just happened to have chosen the best combo. It’s still not perfect, but the alternative is one car running away with everything, with NO opportunity for everybody else to catch up.

I still hate it though. Best is best. Suck it up or go knitting.

Concerning the reverse grids: thinking about that made my head hurt. You complete and uttah, uttah, uttah B!#$%%!!@$^D! Ehr, I’m undecided on those….

#105 ardbeg

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:38

I think FE is primarily seeking awareness, they want racing fans to turn their head their way. I doubt very much that the boost for the popular drivers (the women) will be race changing. Probably equalling having 11 PPT instead of 10 (yes, I could have read up on it but I think my guesses are better than facts).

 

It's a tricky task these days, marketing. Many promising racing series have fallen into oblivion and  death because of marketing failure.
 

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#106 Buttoneer

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:50

You continue to bring up issues with other racing series in what continues to look like some sort of justification for FE to be messed up as well by the fanboost, even before a wheel has been turned (what if FE was to be(come) the best racing series ever ~without~ the fanboost. We’d never know because it started ~with~ fanboost), and I keep wondering if I’m reading you wrong :).
 

...snip...

 

I bring it up not because these other things make those sports great, and therefore fanboost will make FE great too, but they illustrate tolerance and acceptance of changes which were deemed deal breakers and game changers at the time.

 

The FE organisers know that a lot of the publicity comes from the drivers, and this is an attempt to jump-start interest in them, so from that perspective it's well worth a go.



#107 superden

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 13:09

It's complete drivel. However, the morons in charge of this (and pretty much every international racing series), seem to want to appeal to the average Twitter user and their 15 minute attention span. It's just an extension of reality TV and if that's what they want to do with their intellectual property, fine. Just drop the pathetic pretence that it's real racing and call it what it is, entertainment. There is nothing vaguely sporting about this idea.

 

Bullsh*t like this belongs in computer games, not real life. Mind you, a large percentage of the human race cant tell the difference these days.



#108 rhukkas

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 13:45

Again, if you want to watch pure racing with multiple manufacturers why don't you watch KZ karting? Professional drivers and teams. Absolutely no fancy electronics, it's just purely in the hands of the drivers and tuners. No gimmicks either. The karts are brutally fast.

 

That fact you DON'T watch it is testament to the fact that 'pure' racing doesn't sell to a TV audience or a general motorsport audience. Every moans about F1, FE etc... racing being gimmicky but they only support the bloody series WITH gimmicks.

 

If you continue like this, really you get the kind of motorsport YOU DESERVE.


Edited by rhukkas, 02 July 2014 - 13:46.


#109 Risil

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 14:08

Don't be silly. They're freaking go-karts. I have dignity. Might as well watch these

 

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#110 rhukkas

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 14:37

Have you ever watched a top-level kart race? No presumably. I suggest you watch this (and then part 2)

 

I guess Schumacher lost his dignity when he returned to racing professional karts back in 2009?

 

My fundamental point isn't about karting though. it's about the total lack of imagination from motorsport viewers. if you're going to be one dimensional and just watch a bunch of rich kids use daddy's money to race F1 then you're going to get what you deserve.

 

If more people watched proper pure bred racing then FE wouldn't feel the need to throw in stupid gimmicks. But people don't on the whole watch pure racing. They watch racing with gimmicks - F1, BTCC etc...


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#111 sopa

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 14:49

 

If more people watched proper pure bred racing then FE wouldn't feel the need to throw in stupid gimmicks. But people don't on the whole watch pure racing. They watch racing with gimmicks - F1, BTCC etc...

 

What is a gimmick? Fundamentally the main difference between karting and F1 is that the cars are much faster and powerful. If F1 had "pure racing" and karting had "gimmicks", people would still watch F1, because the cars themselves are that much more special it draws attention.



#112 Andrew Hope

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 14:55

What is "pure" racing? Because I've only ever seen that defined around here as "the racing I like best".



#113 rhukkas

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 15:16

What is a gimmick? Fundamentally the main difference between karting and F1 is that the cars are much faster and powerful. If F1 had "pure racing" and karting had "gimmicks", people would still watch F1, because the cars themselves are that much more special it draws attention.

 

Which is exactly why Formula E has to experiment so much.



#114 Buttoneer

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 15:54

What is a gimmick? Fundamentally the main difference between karting and F1 is that the cars are much faster and powerful. If F1 had "pure racing" and karting had "gimmicks", people would still watch F1, because the cars themselves are that much more special it draws attention.

Already in another thread we have had a large majority of posters say that they would rather watch F1 drivers in GP2 cars than GP2 drivers in F1 cars, so I don't believe that your assertion is correct.

 

There are cheap motorsport events going on all over the UK and Europe for much of the year.  For the price of an F1 grandstand ticket, you can pay for (and get into!) a hotel local to a circuit to watch an endurance, historical or sprint race, including FIA GT's, Britcar, DTM etc.  At most of these you even get to wander around the paddock (or drive through, onto the circuit (ahem)) and see the cars being worked on.  It might be an interesting poll to see how many people here have done that and supported grassroots motorsport but more importantly enjoyed it.  If we were all here for the racing only, the poll ought to be close to 100% positive.

 

There are some people who will go to Silverstone this weekend and not bother watching the support races.  Who knows whether a fanboost vote will get them to watch FE, but I see no harm in trying.



#115 Atreiu

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 16:12

What the fck is going on with the world?



#116 ANF

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 18:44

It's just a prank, right?



#117 ClubmanGT

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 19:44

You dramatically underestimate the fanbase of smaller countries when it comes to racing.

 

Ie, the Verstappens.

 

Living in NZ, 17m is not exactly a small population.

 

You also have the benefit of most races being at audience friendly hours too. The whole thing is skewed to always give certain drivers from the biggest markets the boost or whatever. That isn't racing. 



#118 Buttoneer

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 20:17

If it had been possible to vote a boost for Bruce McLaren a small population would have been fully mobilised.

#119 noikeee

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 20:20

My guess is #****OffFormulaELiveVote or some other similar hashtag will greatly outweigh the actual votes.  :up:


Edited by noikeee, 02 July 2014 - 20:20.


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#120 Option1

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 02:12

Better way to sabotage would be to pick a driver not in the series and have everyone vote to give them a boost.  I think Dick Trickle is a deserving candidate.

 

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#121 Brother Fox

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 02:56

If the name alone didn't make you vote for him, the footage of him smoking while driving would seal it.

#122 sopa

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:27

Already in another thread we have had a large majority of posters say that they would rather watch F1 drivers in GP2 cars than GP2 drivers in F1 cars, so I don't believe that your assertion is correct.

 

In this debate the comparison was between karting and F1, where there is a much bigger difference than between F1 and GP2. You are correct, GP2 is very close to F1 in terms of both speed and appearance that people may not recognize that much of a difference, so they could switch series if something major changed the balance of power between the two of them (i.e drivers). However, if F1 drivers went to karting, then it is much more questionable people would start watching karting, because those machineries do not have the appeal and are nowhere near neither F1 nor GP2 cars in terms of performance.



#123 Rinehart

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:57

Do you feel more or less alienated by fanboost than success ballast in BTCC or reverse grids in that and GP2?

 

 

 

The distinction I make is this:

 

At least with reverse grids or success ballast, it is a consequence of the sporting challenge, ergo the actual performance in the first place. Sure its an unfair, success penalty, but it is directly related to performance so it can be managed tactically in some ways and even the direction of development of a dominating car can include set ups to run with more ballast or greater straight-line speed - there is still a sporting element to it.

 

With text to boost, it is the first thing in the history of motorsport I can think of that bears absolutely no relation to sporting performance. It is litterally even worse than penalising success.

 

Basically they're going to go racing around the world all year and after all that is said and done the champion will possibly be the best looking chap. WTF?!



#124 maximilian

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 15:07

For those of you who are turned off by the FAN BOOST system, I have written to feh@fiaformulae.com to let them know, and you can do the same, if you wish.  I received a reply that it would be passed on to the decision makers.  If that is really the case, perhaps they would reconsider if they receive numerous emails.

 

I also suggested them to go with the 2 sprint races, as opposed to changing cars midway.



#125 Bleu

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 15:23

I expect same drivers getting the fan boosts every round...



#126 OO7

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 15:43

Motorsport is dead.

Long live motorsport!



#127 discover23

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 22:51

Scott Speed!! Driving for Andretti:: hell yeah!!!'

#128 chipmcdonald

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 23:00

You guys keep going on and on about this Twitter to Pass thing, like it's for real, I thought we agreed to just leave that alone?  Right?   Before the idea spreads?



#129 CoolBreeze

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 03:08

I hope it will crash and burn like the A1 series. Stupid looking cars, horrible sounds, stupid circuits. Stop forcing the fans, but listen to the fans. 



#130 Jimisgod

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 03:25

Giving bonus boost to drivers thanks to the will of the mob is perhaps the most cretinously moronic idea in the history of motor racing. And given that those ideas include such genius provisions as The Chase, double points and Yeongam, that's against quite stiff opposition.


The Chase is more moronic. At least this only ruins a few minutes of the race, not a whole season.